Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

babylonsister

(171,104 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 10:53 AM Jan 2020

'Evangelicals for Trump' was an awful display by supposed citizens of the Kingdom of God

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4421150002?fbclid=IwAR1GecOE72Lu2medVKVKqnLi_5pPHsCjvgcTQpSyXBO94pnoI2W5HsXIL0Q

'Evangelicals for Trump' was an awful display by supposed citizens of the Kingdom of God
Trump mocked his enemies, trafficked in half-truths, instilled fear and expressed zero humility. My fellow evangelicals loved every minute of it.
John Fea | Opinion contributor | 17 hours ago


I have spent my entire adult life in the evangelical community. I had a born-again experience when I was 16 and I never looked back. I currently teach history at a Christian college with evangelical roots. As a historian, I study American evangelicalism.

But I have never seen anything like what I witnessed last week as I watched President Donald Trump speak to a few thousand of his evangelical supporters at El Rey Jesus, a largely Hispanic megachurch in Miami, during the kickoff to his “Evangelicals for Trump” campaign.

snip//

Message to evangelicals: Impeachment is about Donald Trump. It's not an attack on you.

I am used to this kind of thing from Trump, but I was stunned when I witnessed evangelical Christians — those who identify with the “good news” of Jesus Christ —raising their hands in a posture of worship as Trump talked about socialism and gun rights.

I watched my fellow evangelicals rising to their feet and pumping their fists when Trump said he would win reelection in 2020.

Trump spent the evening mocking his enemies, trafficking in half-truths in order to instill fear in people whom God commands to “fear not,” and proving that he is incapable of expressing anything close to Christian humility.

His evangelical supporters loved every minute of it. On Friday night, Christians who claim to be citizens of the Kingdom of God went to church, cheered the depraved words of a president, and warmly embraced his offer of political power. Such a display by evangelicals is unprecedented in American history.

I usually get angry when members of my tribe worship at the feet of Trump. This time I just felt sad.



John Fea, a history professor at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, is the author of "Believe Me: The Evangelical Road to Donald Trump." This column is adapted from a post on his blog. Follow him on Twitter: @JohnFea1
34 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
'Evangelicals for Trump' was an awful display by supposed citizens of the Kingdom of God (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2020 OP
Mentally ill people voting against their interests. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #1
we need to bombard them with pictures of children in cages scarytomcat Jan 2020 #7
they aren't suffering from a disability. they are simply evil and stupid Takket Jan 2020 #11
I didn't say they were. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #30
It demonstrates what evangelists are made of, filled with very undesirable thoughts, traits RKP5637 Jan 2020 #2
When Moses was slow to come down from the mountain, people confronted Aaron, and said struggle4progress Jan 2020 #3
And the Lord struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made. dalton99a Jan 2020 #5
Thank you for pinpointing the bible entry. My first thought when reading the original post alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #26
"Raising their hands in a posture of worship..." Girard442 Jan 2020 #4
This is who the Evangelicals are, Mr. Fea. Mariana Jan 2020 #6
But for a minor change in circumstances to make Trump more palitable ToxMarz Jan 2020 #10
Yes, I suspect Mr. Fea supports most of the Republicans' policies. Mariana Jan 2020 #20
Those of us who use to reside in that community aren't surprised either. paleotn Jan 2020 #18
This is how they 'witness' for Christianity and Christ. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #8
I can no longer think of evangelicals as Christians. TNNurse Jan 2020 #9
Tax their churches. smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #12
evangelicalism is not a religion. it is a political party. once you view it through those eyes Takket Jan 2020 #13
False Idol worship by anti-Christians with no self-awareness bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #14
Lets think outside of the box. Speech with same theatrics but diff words by DEM candidate zstat Jan 2020 #15
Why would the zealots want to worship a fake false idol when they already have the real false idol? icymist Jan 2020 #16
Not going to happen. DT lies relentlessly.He has no use for the truth. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #31
Power corrupts. Remember the Germans in the hitler up years. empedocles Jan 2020 #17
The term "Christian" and the Trump Cult are apples and oranges. Nothing Christian about them. Period Evolve Dammit Jan 2020 #19
For the love of money is the root of all evil. B Stieg Jan 2020 #21
Every day is "Backwards Day". CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #22
Evangelicals are political, not religious people. GETPLANING Jan 2020 #23
This time I just felt sad. bobo0949 Jan 2020 #24
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2020 #34
Most evangelicals are drawn to wnylib Jan 2020 #25
Professor Fea probably just lost his job. Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #27
You're one of them Cartoonist Jan 2020 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jan 2020 #29
Bill Maher put it best last year. Initech Jan 2020 #32
Frightening group of people. The wrong one in power could do anything to usher in Aermgeddon... NCLefty Jan 2020 #33

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. It demonstrates what evangelists are made of, filled with very undesirable thoughts, traits
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jan 2020

and deeds. Any damn fool can see tRump for what he is!

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
3. When Moses was slow to come down from the mountain, people confronted Aaron, and said
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jan 2020
Rise and make gods for us, since we do not know what happened to that Moses who led us from Egypt

So Aaron replied, Take the gold jewelry from your wives and bring it to me

And the people did this, and Aaron cast for them a calf of the molten gold

And everyone said Behold! this is the god who led us out of slavery!

Aaron build an altar for the calf and said Tomorrow shall be a ceremony for our god

And they rose early to offer sacrifices; they sat down to eat and to drink and then rose up to play

Exodos 32

alwaysinasnit

(5,077 posts)
26. Thank you for pinpointing the bible entry. My first thought when reading the original post
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jan 2020

above was the worship of the golden calf (although in this case it's the fake golden impotent bull that should have been put out to pasture long ago).

Girard442

(6,087 posts)
4. "Raising their hands in a posture of worship..."
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jan 2020

Seen in one of the photos accompanying the article. Somebody else said it first, but it only takes a slight straightening of the elbow to change that posture to "Heil Trump!"

They might as well. You know they want to.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
10. But for a minor change in circumstances to make Trump more palitable
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jan 2020

I would bet there is only about 6 degrees of separation between Mr Fea and those he now doesn't seem to recognize.

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
20. Yes, I suspect Mr. Fea supports most of the Republicans' policies.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:21 PM
Jan 2020

He's only concerned with appearances.

paleotn

(17,990 posts)
18. Those of us who use to reside in that community aren't surprised either.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:12 PM
Jan 2020

This is nothing new. Many, if not most were theocratic assholes looking for a fascist Messiah. Looks like they found one.

keithbvadu2

(36,987 posts)
8. This is how they 'witness' for Christianity and Christ.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jan 2020

This is how they 'witness' for Christianity and Christ.

The Donald who ridicules Holy Communion.

The Donald who brags that he does not need Christ's forgiveness.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. Tax their churches.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jan 2020

These are not religious people. They are political hate cults. Tax the hell out of them.

Takket

(21,655 posts)
13. evangelicalism is not a religion. it is a political party. once you view it through those eyes
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jan 2020

then it makes sense, why they do what they do, and why they ignore the tenants of Christianity.

zstat

(55 posts)
15. Lets think outside of the box. Speech with same theatrics but diff words by DEM candidate
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

Imagine: similar promotion before the rally, the same theatrics, the same ranting and raving, the same hysteria as the speech by rump. But words are very different. The words reflect what most any of the candidates support. But the purpose of the speech is to arouse the emotions, to get the audience to raise their hands and clap in support, to be moved by fear and by the good news. But the theatrics have to move the audience by fear.
We certainly discuss all the bad things that are happening. Why not put the fear in the audience with the same theatrics but from a very very different perspective.
Just imagine if one of the candidates gave a theatrical performance similar to what rump does.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
16. Why would the zealots want to worship a fake false idol when they already have the real false idol?
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jan 2020

eom

58Sunliner

(4,420 posts)
31. Not going to happen. DT lies relentlessly.He has no use for the truth.
Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jan 2020

Most Dems don't need to be exhorted to feel impassioned about injustice, etc.... And we don't have a large fear complex to play to that isn't based on reality. We are already angry and have realistic expectations for change that we expect our leader to uphold/support. The DT supporters are infantilized, by a moron. They aren't asked to take responsibility for their life or feelings. They are told it's someone else's fault for how they feel. Then they are given scapegoats and permission to hate. A sense of false power and fake esteem. Rinse and repeat.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
21. For the love of money is the root of all evil.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jan 2020

1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)

"...which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
22. Every day is "Backwards Day".
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jan 2020

The loser wins the election.

The one who is most unlike Christ gets Christian votes.

All his insults to his opponents (Lyin' Ted, Crooked Hillary, Crazy Nancy) describe Trump perfectly.



We're not supposed to make sense of anything. The confusion he creates is pre-meditated. It's mind control of the masses.

GETPLANING

(846 posts)
23. Evangelicals are political, not religious people.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jan 2020

They talk about socialism, gun rights, abortion, race, and changing laws to give them more power over others.
Helping the poor and sick, not so much.

bobo0949

(1 post)
24. This time I just felt sad.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jan 2020

How are these people going to explain themselves to God at Judgement? There lies the sadness.
They think, in their self righteousness, that they have a first class ticket through the pearly gates. They should try reading Matthew 25:31-46.

wnylib

(21,701 posts)
25. Most evangelicals are drawn to
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jan 2020

evangelicalism for its emotional appeal. It's a "feel good" type of religion. Nothing wrong with feeling good, but it becomes an emotional high for them. Someone like Trump sees a ready organization of people to use his emotional approach on. Feeling good to those people means being assurred of special status with God, This us a form if one-upmanship over others.

Give these people a snake oil salesman type like Trumo and that one-upmanship easily translates into smug, self-righteous hatred of 'the other.'

Their adoration of Trump and willingness to buy whatever he sells them is very disturbing. A few people up thread referenced to a Nazi salute and to Hitler himself. People shrink back from that comparison because they immediately think of the worst atrocities of the Nazis once they had complete control

But for those who have looked at the years leading up to Nazi control and how they gained enough of a following to hold power, the comparisons are not that far off. A long range Nazi goal, that they did not share with the public, was to replace existing religions with a quasi religious cult of their own. To that end, they targeted the largest Protestant groups (Reformed and Lutheran) for transforming to Nazi perspectives as 'true Xtianity.' They joined congregations, got onto governing boards like the church councils, and persuaded people that Naxis were fighting "decadent immorality" in society. They formed a nationalistic German Xtian Church.

How could people buy it? They were persuasive enough to recruit Old Order Mennonites into the party and the army. Some became SS officers. Those Mennonites were PACIFISTS and rejected politics and other "things of this world." But in post WW1 chaos, with new civil liberties that were "immoral," even Mennonites were persuaded to become politically active Nazi supporters.

Two clergymen opposed this movement in the churches, Karl Barth and Dietrich Boenhoffer. They founded the Confessing Church in opposition to the Nazi German Church. Barth escaped and survived the Nazis. Bienhoffer was executed in a death camp.

Cartoonist

(7,323 posts)
28. You're one of them
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jan 2020

You've been born again. You subscribe to something for which there is no proof. You try to convert others into this bullshit. You're only fooling yourself if you think you're different.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Initech

(100,115 posts)
32. Bill Maher put it best last year.
Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020

Evangelicals don't worship Jesus. Evangelicals worship the Old Testament God, and that God is a raging, egomaniacal asshole, which is why Trump fits their narrative perfectly.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
33. Frightening group of people. The wrong one in power could do anything to usher in Aermgeddon...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:42 AM
Jan 2020

I guess it would be fitting if religion took out humanity though. :p

"Such a display by evangelicals is unprecedented in American history."


This guy must not remember the "moral majority's" utter delight at the AIDS crisis.

Falwell's political organization, Moral Majority, opposed governmentally funded research to find a cure for AIDS because the disease was a gay problem (Christianity Today, 1985; U.S. News & World Report, 1985). He promoted the idea that AIDS was not only God's judgment on gay men, but also that divine judgment extended to all of society: "AIDS is a lethal judgment of God on America for endorsing this vulgar, perverted and reprobate lifestyle'' (Falwell, 1987:5). Strong condemnations of gay sexuality, as the cause of AIDS and God's vengeance, also appeared in some religious journals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234566/


That's a government website. I'm surprised it hasn't been scrubbed.
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»'Evangelicals for Trump' ...