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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:15 PM Jan 2020

Top-secret UFO files could cause "grave damage" to U.S. national security if released, Navy says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-secret-ufo-files-could-cause-grave-damage-to-us-national-security-if-released-navy-says/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=80612195

BY BRANDON SPECKTOR

JANUARY 14, 2020 / 10:03 AM / LIVESCIENCE.COM

In November 2004, several U.S. Navy pilots stationed aboard the USS Nimitz encountered a Tic-Tac-shaped UFO darting and dashing over the Pacific Ocean in apparent defiance of the laws of physics. Navy officials dubbed the strange craft an "unidentified aerial phenomenon," but they have remained mum on what, exactly, that phenomenon could've been. Now, unsurprisingly to anyone who's ever considered making a hat out of tinfoil, the military has confirmed they know more than they're letting on.

In response to a recent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, a spokesperson from the Navy's Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) confirmed that the agency possesses several top-secret documents and at least one classified video pertaining to the 2004 UFO encounter, Vice reported.

According to the ONI spokesperson, these documents were either labeled "SECRET" or "TOP SECRET" by the agencies that provided them, and that sharing the information with the public "would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

These top-secret files included several "briefing slides" about the incident, provided to the ONI by an unnamed agency. (Because ONI officials did not classify the slides personally, they are unable to declassify them, the spokesperson added).

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Top-secret UFO files could cause "grave damage" to U.S. national security if released, Navy says (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #1
Now go figure. They (the military) were the ones that opened the door to this whole UFO ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #2
The report would detail, among other things.... jberryhill Jan 2020 #5
I would think they wouldn't have to reveal how the image(s) were captured. I'm not by any ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #6
Yep jberryhill Jan 2020 #7
Ha, I have to laugh, you're absolutely right in that bureaucracy is more powerful than ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #9
Technology surrounding them? jberryhill Jan 2020 #10
How true. SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #11
One surmises that the slides include information about detection facilities and capabilities jberryhill Jan 2020 #3
I understand the Romulans are pretty ... Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #12
aren't the klingons allies now? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #14
Everyone knows sarisataka Jan 2020 #20
Predictable response Dream Girl Jan 2020 #27
I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was here ... Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #33
I'm guessing that it has nothing to do with space aliens ... Odoreida Jan 2020 #4
Really?! PJMcK Jan 2020 #8
But what if that's what they want us to believe? jberryhill Jan 2020 #13
Deep roots PJMcK Jan 2020 #16
Sorry, But The Pilot(s) Who Encountered These Objects... jayfish Jan 2020 #17
Interesting perspective PJMcK Jan 2020 #21
What else do you think it can it be? Polybius Jan 2020 #34
When confirmation comes - it won't be from the US Runningdawg Jan 2020 #15
If there is any there there, the smart money says Brazil will be the source Brother Buzz Jan 2020 #19
Trump should slip up any day now.. HipChick Jan 2020 #18
Like it's any big secret vercetti2021 Jan 2020 #22
Calling Fox Mulder... Actually, this might be one of ours, I'm starting to think. Hekate Jan 2020 #23
Drones rusty fender Jan 2020 #24
I'm still calling it as an Easter Egg in the software. hunter Jan 2020 #25
Oh my God - don't click that link Piasladic Jan 2020 #31
I believe if space aliens came here and doc03 Jan 2020 #26
Any species that can traverse vast distances in space... Xolodno Jan 2020 #28
this Luz Jan 2020 #29
If the alien federation has broken their harvest quota of our females eggs for their hybrid problem Baclava Jan 2020 #30
This is Ceti Alpha V !! miyazaki Jan 2020 #32

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

SWBTATTReg

(22,183 posts)
2. Now go figure. They (the military) were the ones that opened the door to this whole UFO ...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jan 2020

caper, and now they decide to be closed mouth about it? What it is going on?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. The report would detail, among other things....
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jan 2020

...which detection, ranging and/or imaging systems aboard the Nimitz were used to attempt to observe the phenomenon, what are the capabilities or operational status of those systems, etc..

Is that something they should publish?

SWBTATTReg

(22,183 posts)
6. I would think they wouldn't have to reveal how the image(s) were captured. I'm not by any ...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

means asking them to reveal technologies etc., never was (the technology isn't of interest to me and I'm sure others perhaps), it's the images themselves.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Yep
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:45 PM
Jan 2020

Either way, if someone compiled a report on the incident, there is a wealth of information that could not be disclosed, and which has nothing to do with the phenomenon under observation, but a lot to do with the tools used to observe it.

But once again, we find that aliens put a lot of effort into getting into earth's atmosphere from interstellar space, but they are powerless against a bureaucracy to make their existence known.

As noted in the OP:

"These top-secret files included several "briefing slides" about the incident..."

Notice that nobody is trying to hide that there was an incident of an unidentified aerial phenomenon. But since the reports, files and briefing slides aren't public information, then the government is hiding aliens again.

SWBTATTReg

(22,183 posts)
9. Ha, I have to laugh, you're absolutely right in that bureaucracy is more powerful than ...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020

technology. Amazing isn't it?

I'm just curious as to why the government came forth to finally acknowledge that UFOs and such technology surrounding them existed?

Is it perhaps they believe that someone in the public sector might know more about these events/UFOs then is being acknowledged? If so, I find it rather odd being that revealing such technology (the UFOs and propulsion system(s)) would be in the public interest in being revealed, especially when such technologies would be better hidden than being revealed.

It's just curious to me what purpose are they really shooting for in revealing these events to the public.

More questions raised than being answered, perhaps.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Technology surrounding them?
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jan 2020

Um, the government has long acknowledged that people in the military, just like people everywhere else, sometimes look in the sky, see something, and don't know what it is.

Additionally, the US government has jurisdiction over a relatively small portion of the planet's surface, so it's not as if the US government has the ability to determine what everyone on earth can know about what goes on in the sky.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. One surmises that the slides include information about detection facilities and capabilities
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:19 PM
Jan 2020

But, of course, there are those who are going to conclude that the classified information is about the critters from outer space, instead of the other information there.

A lot of information about military equipment is classified. If a particular satellite detected or failed to detect an apparent object observed from a ship, then that would disclose information about the systems involved and the detection capabilities of those systems.

But, yeah, instead... Mork.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
12. I understand the Romulans are pretty ...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jan 2020

... much up to speed on our technology anyway. But yeah, we need to keep the Klingons in the dark as long as possible.

 

Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
4. I'm guessing that it has nothing to do with space aliens ...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:20 PM
Jan 2020

... and everything to do with secret weapons testing.

There was a lot of that.

PJMcK

(22,059 posts)
8. Really?!
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jan 2020

If there are alien life forms, they are almost certainly not the source of UFO sightings.

The military doesn't want our enemies to know or understand our capabilities for observing things.

By the way, the "U" in "UFO" means Unidentified. The person who saw the UFO has no idea what it was. Why must it be aliens?

So silly.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. But what if that's what they want us to believe?
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jan 2020

I should have gone through school saying that.

"Sure, the math teacher says 2+2=4, but what if that's what she wants us to believe?"

Well, yeah, it is what she wanted us to believe. The plan has deep roots here, PJ. Deep, deep roots.

jayfish

(10,040 posts)
17. Sorry, But The Pilot(s) Who Encountered These Objects...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jan 2020

say(s) we aren't capable of anything like this and won't be any time in the near future.

?t=1676

If the time stamp doesn't work; skip to 27:45

I'm not going to get in an argument about this other than to say humans don't know shit about anything when it comes to physics. We aren't even toddlers yet.

PJMcK

(22,059 posts)
21. Interesting perspective
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jan 2020

Physicists know a little bit more about the universe than fighter pilots.

&t=49s

"Just because you don't know what it is you're looking at doesn't mean it's intelligent aliens visiting from another planet. You just said you don't know what you're looking at!"

Polybius

(15,514 posts)
34. What else do you think it can it be?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jan 2020

If it's not aliens then it's some some sorta hyper advanced drone from another government or a private genius that we still can't replicate 16 years later.

Besides those two explanations, anything else it could be?

Brother Buzz

(36,486 posts)
19. If there is any there there, the smart money says Brazil will be the source
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jan 2020

At least, that's what George Noory at Coast to Coast is saying.

Hekate

(90,913 posts)
23. Calling Fox Mulder... Actually, this might be one of ours, I'm starting to think.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jan 2020

Just don't, for gods' sake, tell Trump.

hunter

(38,339 posts)
25. I'm still calling it as an Easter Egg in the software.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

This is what happens when you crib your code off the internet.

I would have made it Sean Connery riding in a big stone head instead of a tictac.

Piasladic

(1,160 posts)
31. Oh my God - don't click that link
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:06 PM
Jan 2020

and whatever you do, don't scroll down to that picture in the middle

doc03

(35,396 posts)
26. I believe if space aliens came here and
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jan 2020

saw our leader they would figure there is no intellegent life here and go home.

Xolodno

(6,408 posts)
28. Any species that can traverse vast distances in space...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

...is going to be so superior to us that they will arrive completely undetected or with a big bang that will scare the shit out of us.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
30. If the alien federation has broken their harvest quota of our females eggs for their hybrid problem
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jan 2020

well, we simply can't have that, we have a treaty, the high council will hear about this

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