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Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:36 PM Jan 2020

Sounds like Trump may have been involved in a Murder Plot, Yovanovitch

A few good threads, but I wanted to start one with the proper title. They were talking about killing her and she was rushed out of the country for her safety because of it. And Trump had to know.





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Sounds like Trump may have been involved in a Murder Plot, Yovanovitch (Original Post) Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 OP
Do you have a link or a source? Control-Z Jan 2020 #1
This is something AJT Jan 2020 #4
Just how the mafia talks like Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #6
Oh my gawd. Control-Z Jan 2020 #11
5th avenue was just an hypothetical location dweller Jan 2020 #2
Links Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #3
Was Bolton referring to THIS as the 'Drug Deal' ? Captain Zero Jan 2020 #8
Might not have known of the murder plot, but knew they were up to no good Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #12
We can't wait another year for this to possibly end. OliverQ Jan 2020 #5
Oh My God. milestogo Jan 2020 #7
Who is the Robert F. Hyde who surfaced in House Intelligence Committee documents? dalton99a Jan 2020 #9
Hyde Twitter also why do the well off RW creeps often owe child support ? lunasun Jan 2020 #15
Dems are including this in the evidence they are sending to the Senate for impeachment Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #10
"snd Nancy herself has" what? Control-Z Jan 2020 #14
He and his are so dangerous . USA -can we wait til election ? Convict/remove trump senators lunasun Jan 2020 #13
How will the GOP Senators spin this Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #16
Holy shit! How do they spin shopping a hit Zoonart Jan 2020 #39
Robert Hyde sent this tweet on the day Yovanovitch testified OliverQ Jan 2020 #17
It doesn't seem like his first. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #18
YEP Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #19
I wish you were right Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #20
I say NYET, Johnny!! They can't weasel out of this tsunami of FOUL DEPRAVED BAD NEWS Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #22
You're assuming Republican senators have spines. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #27
So he let Rudy be their lawyer Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #29
He let John Dowd be their lawyer, not Rudy. nt tblue37 Jan 2020 #54
I don't want to agree with you ... Delphinus Jan 2020 #30
Yovanovitch had every right to be worried sarcasmo Jan 2020 #21
If this were the mob they'd be convicted Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #23
Trump never faces any consequences. sarcasmo Jan 2020 #25
Fwiw, Yovanovich testified that she did not believe she was in Hortensis Jan 2020 #24
She did? Why are you 'throwing water' on this? triron Jan 2020 #47
She has asked that this be investigated Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #50
I"m throwing facts as I know them. If Trump ordered Hortensis Jan 2020 #53
Rumor has it... Newest Reality Jan 2020 #26
And this is only the beginning . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #28
Hey Johnny, take heart - can you read tweets? (some people can, some can't) Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #31
Excellent Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #32
Boy I wish that could be proven. Kablooie Jan 2020 #33
The emails are pretty shocking. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #37
Yes but they don't come from Trump. Kablooie Jan 2020 #41
We don't know that yet. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #42
If they find proof it would be fantastic but Trump is careful about direct orders in crimes. Kablooie Jan 2020 #44
They were in his employ...that could be enough. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #55
I have wondered about the Khashoggi murder as well. triron Jan 2020 #34
He was murdered because of what he wrote about Trump Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #35
No, he was murdered for his opposition to MBS. Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2020 #40
So that's it? Water it down right away huh? triron Jan 2020 #48
"Water it down" ??????????????? Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2020 #52
Oh my fucking God, we have a president that was involved in a murder plot to kill an ambassador Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #36
This is a dangerous time for our Democracy Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #38
I hope Biden has security...and Nancy Pelosi lots of security too...he hates them both... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #43
That is so true...he needs to go. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56
Would you allow Trump to babysit your child or other loved one? world wide wally Jan 2020 #45
Spot on Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #46
Both Hyde and Parnas should be in prison KSNY Jan 2020 #49
Definitely they should be burrowowl Jan 2020 #57
Makes no difference. This is probably only the tip, but nobody will do anything about it. Doodley Jan 2020 #51

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
6. Just how the mafia talks like
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:48 PM
Jan 2020

This was a hit, the were following her and trying to get past her security. My god, Trump's words are so chilling now: "She's going to be going through some things."

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
12. Might not have known of the murder plot, but knew they were up to no good
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

Let's see what he says under oath in public.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
5. We can't wait another year for this to possibly end.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:46 PM
Jan 2020

We can't depend on Republicans to care about this and remove him. Trump is a tyrant and must be dragged out of the White House and put in handcuffs immediately.

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
10. Dems are including this in the evidence they are sending to the Senate for impeachment
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jan 2020

This is part of it. This is just nuts and Nancy herself has got to be stunned.

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
16. How will the GOP Senators spin this
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:00 PM
Jan 2020

Surveillance of a US diplomat with those texts exchanged about negotiating a price and getting her away from security. It's incredibly explosive and damning.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
19. YEP
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jan 2020

RING THE BELL
THE MATCH IS OVER

You ruthless mobster fuckers are

DONE

FINISHED

KAPUT

Hell’s comin for you, and his name is LEV

And the WHISTLEBLOWER

And Amb YOVANOVICH ET AL

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
22. I say NYET, Johnny!! They can't weasel out of this tsunami of FOUL DEPRAVED BAD NEWS
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:17 PM
Jan 2020

Give it a minute, everybody’s busy

And hey, check this:

On October 2, 2019, Jay Sekulow ... informed ... John Dowd that he had discussed with President Trump 'the issue of representation' and that President Trump 'consents to allowing your representation of Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman.'"

On October 10, Trump denied knowing Parnas.




BOOYAH!!!

Delphinus

(11,845 posts)
30. I don't want to agree with you ...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:26 PM
Jan 2020

but I'm afraid you are right. AND the compromised repukes do not care!!!

I want it to be told CLEARLY and LOUDLY in every paper and on every TV and Radio station.

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
23. If this were the mob they'd be convicted
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jan 2020

The mafia never talks in terms of "Kill her." These conversations are exactly what a hit sounds like, they even go further in talking about getting her away from security, having someone inside, and naming a price. This is the type of conversation that gets mob bosses sent to prison. The FBI knows exactly what they are talking about, and so do we.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Fwiw, Yovanovich testified that she did not believe she was in
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jan 2020

physical danger. Other sources have reported that Ukraine's corrupt oligarchs/organized crime, who are hand in glove with Putin and are perfectly capable of murder, including by throwing acid on people who cross them, had been working for some months on framing Yovanovich for corruption. That would all seem to fit Trump's "some things are going to happen to her" a bit more than murder, which could have been carried out much more quickly. And everything else would fit as well.

All during this period Yovanovich had friends/allies in the State Department working to protect her and her position, but whatever apparently was going down caused them to warn her that night to get out asap. I'm remembering that the time she left she believed the U.S. had her back and had no idea her own president was plotting with vicious criminals to hurt her, and her shock when she learned of that phone call.

I noticed that no detailed testimony was given about what happened after she returned. A plot to ruin, and perhaps even imprison, her with charges of corruption apparently did not go forward, nor of course did murder. We were merely told that the WH informed her that Trump had lost confidence in her.

Still employed at the State Department but without assignment, career damaged but intact? Doesn't seem nearly enough to satisfy Trump's viciously vengeful nature. I kind of suspect good people were able to protect her from him, an untold story if so, at least to that degree. And at least so far.

Occursto me to wonder if the Russian hackers are trying to develop and further the uncompleted plot against her, as well as others, and thus against Democrats.

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
50. She has asked that this be investigated
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

I don’t think she knew all of this. Through her lawyer she issued a statement demanding an investigation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. I"m throwing facts as I know them. If Trump ordered
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jan 2020

an assassination (and I believe he's probably too cowardly), I'd love, love, love that incredible evil to come out as his impeachment trial is about to begin. And in the meantime, don't you realize what it means that we have evidence that dangerous enemies were tracking our ambassador every moment?

But we're not damned trumpsters here, and no one responsible source is reporting what some here are running away with. If you want discussions where facts that "throw water" aren't allowed, there are other groups on other forums that practically specialize in that. But this is a forum for Democrats, and we don't.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
28. And this is only the beginning . . .
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:25 PM
Jan 2020

I can image more stunning information. That is why the WH refuses to release their e-mails, etc,

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
31. Hey Johnny, take heart - can you read tweets? (some people can, some can't)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jan 2020

Well, “Parnas” is now trending at #6, “Yovanovich” at #8, and “US Ambassador” at #10

Word is OUT and people who can’t imagine a thing like this happening (unlike us) are going, “wha? What? What the living FUCK??”

Hang tough, give this a minute

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%22US+Ambassador%22

US Ambassador tweets ^^^

They all 100% agree with your OP

Johnny2X2X

(19,235 posts)
32. Excellent
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:41 PM
Jan 2020

I know he won't, but I wish Obama would Tweet a couple of these stories. It would explode on Twitter, he has more followers Trump.

Kablooie

(18,645 posts)
33. Boy I wish that could be proven.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jan 2020

But it's so inflammatory that without rock solid, documented proof, if would only appear to be partisan hyperbole and would reflect back on Democrats.

Kablooie

(18,645 posts)
41. Yes but they don't come from Trump.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jan 2020

It's concerning that they might have been considering that but underlings planning a murder to benefit Trump doesn't prove that Trump knew and approved of it. There would have to be direct evidence of Trump's involvement for it to be used against him.

Kablooie

(18,645 posts)
44. If they find proof it would be fantastic but Trump is careful about direct orders in crimes.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jan 2020

Like a mob boss he always hints but never talks directly about crimes he wants committed.
That way he always has deniability if the crimes are exposed.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
52. "Water it down" ???????????????
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jan 2020

No, not by any means. But the poster had written that Khashoggi was murdered because he had some how insulted trumpie. Not so. Khashoggi had been very outspoken in his criticism about how MBS had sent Saudi Arabia backwards into an ugly repressive place. By stifling dissent, jailing members of his own family, "disappearing" journalists and critics, terminating the rights of women, Khashoggi was chronicling for the world to see the damage MBS was doing to SA. The royal family had heralded the young prince as the face of the future for SA, but Khashoggi was not buying into the PR campaign. He knew smoke and mirrors when he saw it. Instead, he bravely stood up to them and told the world what he saw. Dangerous for a journalist in such a society, but Khashoggi was a man of integrity and honesty and he was not going to allow the Faud family to get away with the lie that they were making a better future for Saudis.

I respected Jamal Khashoggi as a journalist and I mourn his loss. It was a senseless act of depravity. That the US stood by (and much of the Arab world, too) and allowed this barbaric act to go unexamined is tragic and makes me fear for the future.

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
36. Oh my fucking God, we have a president that was involved in a murder plot to kill an ambassador
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:11 PM
Jan 2020

in order to get dirt on a political opponent ...Biden. I saw the Chris Hayes segment.. I hate Trump but I would never have expected this. He has to go in 20 if not before.

world wide wally

(21,758 posts)
45. Would you allow Trump to babysit your child or other loved one?
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jan 2020

Then don't allow him to babysit your country.

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