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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToday, every headline should be screaming, every news show should start with
"A HIT ON AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR WAS BEING DISCUSSED BY PEOPLE IN TRUMP"S CIRCLE". There is no other way to interpret those texts. Any legal action taken in response would invite discovery.
Wednesdays
(17,453 posts)But it was severely jumping the gun. The one that used the language about a mob hit was:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/former-mafia-prosecutor-sounds-trump-022300364.html
CNN had a slightly sensationalistic headline for a while:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/robert-hyde-marie-yovanovitch/index.html
The problem is, the Yahoo News headline was based on a tweet (so reliable...) from a federal organized crime prosecutor, and the element of the likelihood that Hyde is actually nuts has come to light. These headlines have been eclipsed by the huge Russia story, and some reporters and editors thinking, Huh. This nut was in a psych hold after being dragged out of Trump Doral claiming hes the target of a hit and being hacked by the Secret Service. Maybe some of this is pure psychosis talking? We should probably dig deeper before taking anything Hyde says at face value. (And they should. They also should be digging into Rudy, Parnas, and friends taking it at face value even it he was lying or delusional, because it says a lot about their mens rea.
On ABC, they're celebrating Robin Roberts' 30th anniversary.
Lonestarblue
(10,117 posts)Weve seen that over and over with mass murders in this country. And if Trump/Giuliani knew they were working with someone who was actively recruiting to kill a US ambassador for a price, thats incredibly damaging.
Midnight Writer
(21,819 posts)triron
(22,028 posts)FM123
(10,054 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,214 posts)I cannot believe this isn't the biggest story.
wiggs
(7,820 posts)wishstar
(5,272 posts)Even if you can surmise that perhaps Giuliani and associates were merely establishing a scary scenario so that others around the embassy thought her security was precarious warranting pushing her to leave the country, it is appalling that Trump & Co. were the instigators of the smear campaign and she did not have the backing of her own government that she had served admirably for decades.
So now we know that Trump's henchmen Giuliani & associates were behind the mysterious threatening circumstances causing her sudden recall. This was not clearly out in open when she testified.
Jirel
(2,026 posts)First, the entire freaking Russian government resigning is a bigger story. Thats going to be everywhere today, and for good reason.
Second, while this story may go somewhere eventually, its half baked at best now. The story is that a federal prosecutor was concerned that Hydes messages sounded like a mob hit in the making. That is NOTHING to hang your hat on, especially when HYDE HAD A SEVERE PARANOID EPISODE AT DORAL THAT LANDED HIM IN A PSYCH HOLD. This is, in itself, an important story - what is going on with a Rethuglican darling lobbyist who is running for Congress, gets involved with the bullshit in Ukraine, then shortly after these messages and Yovanovichs return winds up at Trump Doral babbling that theres a hit planned on him with Secret Service involvement?
If the media has withdrawn in part from promoting the story ASIDE from it being eclipsed by the Russian government resigning en masse, its because they should have looked into it a lot more before posting it. Is there truly a possibility of a hit that was planned? Or is Hyde a complete loon and all the cloak and dagger stuff came from a psychotic mind? Good reporters might want to parse some of that before just putting it out there.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/01/new-figure-in-ukraine-scandal-was-taken-into-police-custody-at-trump-resort-last-year/
58Sunliner
(4,419 posts)It makes it worse. They knew he was/is unstable and he was actively colluding to threaten an ambassador with other known assoc. of the president's personal attorney??? They have the president being photographed numerous times with a someone who is unstable? And he is running for office. No-this should dominate the headlines, along with every corrupt POS that was involved in this and their ties to Trump.
certainot
(9,090 posts)but you can be a serious republican senator and still be a 6AM drunk
wnylib
(21,692 posts)of a saying, not sure of the source:
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
But, yes, the Russian government resignations are making big news. Depending on the source, this is seen as Putin's step towsrd extending his term indefinitely. Maybe we should beware of Trump emulating his pal.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Posted before finding this thread...
TRump, Inc. is Russian mafia and the rethugians know it. But rank & file rethugians voters will stay in denial.
gab13by13
(21,452 posts)Now is the time for every damn Democrat to be shouting to the rafters, find a reporter and talk about our ambassador being targeted for assassination. This is extremely important right now to control the narrative, this isn't the time to make nice or ask for 10 sources before saying anything.
I guess what I'm saying is that Democrats need to pretend they are Republicans about these new emails. I don't mean to lie, I mean to get in front of a camera and let your hair down. Jesus Mary, and Joseph, if this event goes away in a day I blame Democrats. As I said in another post, I miss Al Franken.
SpankMe
(2,970 posts)They were likely referring to enlisting the security services to conduct a set-up or to frame her for some BS thing as a pretext for a diplomatic expulsion. That would be my takeaway from the discussion. With Ukraine as hot as it is, I don't even think these mentally ill souls would seriously consider a genuine "hit" as a solution to their "problem".
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)People, wake up. This is exactly what trumpie thought he could get away with. He saw how easily the Saudis dispensed with Jamal Khoshoggi and how muted the global response was. No one went to jail. MBS still walks around a free man. Nothing has truly come of that deranged murder. Remember the man was STILL ALIVE when they started to dismember him, FFS. trumpie wants to be able to do the same thing.
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)Holy moly we all have to get back to our lives, already complicated enough without the necessity of this shitstorm. Future documentaries regarding this period of history, at this point, will be the only way I'll be able to sort out this massive bamboozlement show these fucks have perpetrated on us all. Surely there will come a time we can flush 15 times to leave the whole embarrassing, overwhelmingly corrupt far down the septic system where it belongs, hopefully never to be allowed to reincarnate.
Hopefully someday "Daddy, what were republicans" becomes a moral parable, never to forget just how pungent it became
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)Tells me somebody was thinking about something more than scaring her. Offing, kidnapping, I don't know. But there are easier ways of scaring somebody. And their concern about the surveillance being noticed is contrary to a desire to scare.
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)"I dunno, you Republicans seem to put an awful lot of stock in the power of a casual text. Just ask Strzok and Page. -- Jaynie's Got a Bun
This reply was copied and pasted from Hyde's twitter.
Nevilledog
(51,237 posts)ffr
(22,674 posts)In line with how mobsters operate.
Warpy
(111,397 posts)These are obvious goons, acting like mobsters, and acutely aware that what they were doing was illegal.
Whether or not this whole business is now an attempt to convince Giuliani to fall on his sword for his boss, one thing is abundantly clear: we don't have a government. We have a mob ring.
This is what we need to hear, not a lot of "what-ifs" about what these guys were fantasizing about.
pansypoo53219
(21,005 posts)riversedge
(70,367 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Aussie105
(5,463 posts). . . just ask, give us the go ahead, and let us know how far we should go. Dirty deeds done USSR style.
Sounds awfully like 'I would like you to do us a favor though.'
And we all know how that turned out. So dig deeper, lots more dirt to be revealed there!
But Trump devotees won't care. You got to get them liberuls somehow! Al Capone in the White House, that is OK by them.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)and suffer from an occasional undercurrent of fear/anxiety about trust and safety in America.
The corruption is so damned enabled.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)these types of discussions were happening in early 1930's Germany. The people of Germany did not know how to stop the impending disaster.
We are different, right?
We can stop this, right?
Right?
Aussie105
(5,463 posts)Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Well, it can be stopped but it involves <illegal act redacted> by <actors' names redacted>.
DENVERPOPS
(8,866 posts)WASF