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wiggs

(7,820 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:42 PM Jan 2020

Two important questions no one is discussing re Parnas, let alone asking Parnas directly:

1. Who paid Parnas to do this work and related work??

2. To what extent was Trump trying to get Ukraine to take the fall for 2016 election interference??

Getting Russia off the hook for 2016 election interference may be more important to Trump and Russia than Biden is. Why is no one (except Abramson) talking about that? And of course, associates of Russian organized crime paid Parnas (IIRC) to do this work, but no one is bringing that up?

Why are media and dems keeping the focus on just Ukraine and Biden...skipping the underlying motivation: 'With Trump all roads lead to Putin'? THIS is the bigger story, the bigger threat, the most treacherous aspect of all this...

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Two important questions no one is discussing re Parnas, let alone asking Parnas directly: (Original Post) wiggs Jan 2020 OP
Good questions. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2020 #1
Agreed. greytdemocrat Jan 2020 #30
And OhNo-Really Jan 2020 #31
Awesome dot connecting! Yes Firtash and shady funding...but why is this not part of the story every wiggs Jan 2020 #34
You would think! Reporting is frustrating me! OhNo-Really Jan 2020 #36
Wasn't it supposed to financed by some Russian oligarch? Can't say where I heard it from doc03 Jan 2020 #2
I think you might be thinking of Dmytro Firtash alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #13
GMTA. nt crickets Jan 2020 #16
What the hell does that mean? doc03 Jan 2020 #17
I think Crickets was saying "great minds think alike". n/t Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #20
That's OK. I can understand that. Like the kids say today "My Bad". That is doc03 Jan 2020 #22
Yes. I was amused to post a tweet pointing to the same link at almost exactly the same time. nt crickets Jan 2020 #23
That's the guy nt doc03 Jan 2020 #18
Firtash. crickets Jan 2020 #14
Lev is making the case that Trump was deceived about Yovanovitch Raven123 Jan 2020 #3
I didn't get that at all. Don't know where that comes from. triron Jan 2020 #10
On Rachel, he said he was paid Bev54 Jan 2020 #4
yes Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #6
A lot of money for translation. Where did Toensing & diGenova get it? They're not a charity. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #25
They signed a $1 million contract with Firtash Bev54 Jan 2020 #28
So you wrote and I didn't take it in. Thanks for making it clear to even me! Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #29
That's "I'm buying your fucking silence up front" money. NCLefty Jan 2020 #32
There wil always be more questions to be asked NCProgressive Jan 2020 #5
Has anyone asked him why he was leaving on a one way flight when he Sucha NastyWoman Jan 2020 #7
Nope. triron Jan 2020 #11
Probably because our temporary alliance is strictly regarding Ukraine ecstatic Jan 2020 #8
Bet you are correct. triron Jan 2020 #12
Firtash!! SCVDem Jan 2020 #9
Why All the Media Focus on Biden? It's the Election Horse Race, Dummy! panfluteman Jan 2020 #15
I wonder about that as well. triron Jan 2020 #35
Oh yes! PatSeg Jan 2020 #19
Parnas is a very wealthy man and a member of the plutocrat mob who grabbed everything Warpy Jan 2020 #21
Very good point. It's not all about us. Always think - what Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #24
I want to know more about where the money went. His indictment is for illegal contributions. Midnight Writer Jan 2020 #26
Good questions! Vinnie From Indy Jan 2020 #27
I would ask him duforsure Jan 2020 #33

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,073 posts)
1. Good questions.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

Right now they're wasting way too much time, IMO, on how Ambassador Yovanovich came to be fired.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
31. And
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:07 AM
Jan 2020

Natasha, these dots not being connected by media although SDNY probably has.

I think these two Russians highly implicated & bankrolled Giuliani et al.

Andrey Muraviev aka Muravyov & Vasily Anisimov

Anisimov is bankrolling Firtash in Vienna because Firtash $$ frozen by Ukraine; therefore, Vasily is likely bankrolling European/Ukraine side of Giuliani Et Al Caper. Vasily wants his $125 million back!

Andrey attended school in San Francisco & lived in USA 1992-1998. ?? Did he marry an American? Because he seems to easily invest in USA.

Also ?? Firtash is Aluminum King of Russia. His ties to McConnell’s Kentucky RU Aluminum deal??

And ?? What’s with Chertoff?! He also helped Eric Prince sell Blackwater?? 🙄

Here’s my research:

This oligarch Vasily Anisimov paid Firtash’s $125 million bail:

“Firtash received another Russian loan to pay his record bail of €125 million in Austria. It came from from Vasily Anisimov, the billionaire who heads the Russian Judo Federation, the governing body of Putin’s beloved sport.”

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/firtash-claims-kingmaker-role-in-ukrainian-politics-388070.html

Spring 2018 Firtash on cusp of extradition to USA & desperate.

😳Firtash US lawyers

“has assembled a team of legal all-stars, including former U.S. Attorney Dan Webb, former Bill Clinton White House attorney Lanny Davis and former U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff to help keep him out of a Chicago courtroom.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-dmitry-firtash-chicago-inc-20180316-story.html

So Vasily is anticipating losing $125 million.

Btw Vasily Anisimov is
Listed as Putin’s #10
https://www.askanews.it/esteri/2018/01/30/ecco-tutti-i-nomi-della-putin-list-di-washington-top10_20180130_103709/

Also, in Spring 2018

1. Parnas & Fruman donate $325,000 to GOP with magically appearing $$

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmaloop/igor-fruman-america-first-donation-return

And simultaneously a rich Russian Andrey Muraviev becomes $$ front man involved in US Marijuana along with Parnas & Fruman co-indicted Kukushkin.

And $$ is given to Nevada Republicans.

Russian businessman who allegedly bankrolled the effort, court documents in an unrelated California breach of contract lawsuit involving Russian businessman Andrey Muraviev may provide clues to the identity of the unnamed Russian identified as Foreign National-1.

Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article236028683.html#storylink=cpy

So no coincidence Parnas’ Eagle-eyed attorney Joseph Bondy specializes in Cannabis!

Andrey Muraviev aka Muravyov & Vasily Anisimov are highly likely to have bankrolled Giuliani Parnas & Fruman

Imho

Lastly, the Ukraine Conspiracy was started in 2018 as well per George Kent Testimony:

My article

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212873062

I think these dots are explosive 🧨

wiggs

(7,820 posts)
34. Awesome dot connecting! Yes Firtash and shady funding...but why is this not part of the story every
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jan 2020

time Parnas's name is mentioned? Isn't it super important that Trump is giving Russian-funded fixers the power of the WH to strong arm countries for his own benefit AND FOR RUSSIA'S BENEFIT??

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
36. You would think! Reporting is frustrating me!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jan 2020

🤷🏻?♀️

And the Cannabis Connection! The Eastern European Oligarchs are allowed to corner IS markets????

doc03

(35,394 posts)
2. Wasn't it supposed to financed by some Russian oligarch? Can't say where I heard it from
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:56 PM
Jan 2020

but I remember they even said who he was.

doc03

(35,394 posts)
22. That's OK. I can understand that. Like the kids say today "My Bad". That is
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:27 AM
Jan 2020

something else that drives me crazy but that is a different subject.

Raven123

(4,890 posts)
3. Lev is making the case that Trump was deceived about Yovanovitch
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jan 2020

In fact it sounds like he making the case that Rudy is the conduit for disinformation, and that he (Lev) and Trump were fools who believed it.

Bev54

(10,083 posts)
4. On Rachel, he said he was paid
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jan 2020

$200,000 from Toesing and hubby's $1mm contract with Firtash as an interpreter plus they got $100,000 a month expenses and so I believe he was also paid expenses.

Bev54

(10,083 posts)
28. They signed a $1 million contract with Firtash
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:24 AM
Jan 2020

the Oligarch, and he was paying $100,000 per month expenses.

 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
5. There wil always be more questions to be asked
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jan 2020

One interview will not touch every relevant avenue of thought

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,759 posts)
7. Has anyone asked him why he was leaving on a one way flight when he
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:46 PM
Jan 2020

Was arrested? I’ve only seen parts of the interview so far, so maybe this has been asked?

ecstatic

(32,751 posts)
8. Probably because our temporary alliance is strictly regarding Ukraine
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jan 2020

He's not going to bring up crimes he hasn't been indicted for. His lawyer probably forced the interview to be narrowly focused.

PatSeg

(47,673 posts)
19. Oh yes!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jan 2020

Earlier today it struck me - who was paying Parnas and some of the others he mentioned? We really need to know where that money was coming from.

Warpy

(111,391 posts)
21. Parnas is a very wealthy man and a member of the plutocrat mob who grabbed everything
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jan 2020

in sight when the USSR fell, so I strongly suspect no one cut his paychecks. What I'm really worried about with all this rubbish coming out is that it's a distraction in itself, meant to turn attention to Giuliani as the bad guy and the Oaf as a simple bidnessman who was out of his depth and delegated too much to a bad guy and didn't know what was going on. In addition, a lot of those text messages read like they knew Hyde was a paranoid nutbar and they were goofing on him.

I'm too old, bitter, and cynical to take any of this stuff at face value. The main case against the Oaf is his holdup of military aid to Ukraine in exchange for the announcement of an investigation. While other presidents have held up similar aid packages, the holdup was a matter of hours to days and only to clarify its destination, not two months for propaganda purposes against a political opponent. It was a clear case of international extortion, and I only wonder why that wasn't the charge.

Still, I know that in my lifetime, what has put mobsters into prison most of the time has been tax fraud and I know the Oaf has a hell of a lot to hide there.

The antics in the Senate will be entertaining, to say the least, as will be the reactions of people who were dumb enough to put them there. I hope we've all stocked up on popcorn, their attempts at a meaningless show trial will be epic.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. Very good point. It's not all about us. Always think - what
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:32 AM
Jan 2020

would an innocent man do/think?

An innocent man would want NO ONE to influence an election they won.

Midnight Writer

(21,819 posts)
26. I want to know more about where the money went. His indictment is for illegal contributions.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:54 AM
Jan 2020

I've seen some names mentioned, but this is something we, as Democrats, should be pounding home, either through free media or paid.

I want to know how these contributions came about. Were they "arranged"? What are the connections among the politicians getting paid? What tax exempt organizations were laundering the money going to the campaigns?

And, just for my own salacious satisfaction, were they all Republicans? If so, why is that? Answer in the form of an essay, please.

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