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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTwo important questions no one is discussing re Parnas, let alone asking Parnas directly:
1. Who paid Parnas to do this work and related work??
2. To what extent was Trump trying to get Ukraine to take the fall for 2016 election interference??
Getting Russia off the hook for 2016 election interference may be more important to Trump and Russia than Biden is. Why is no one (except Abramson) talking about that? And of course, associates of Russian organized crime paid Parnas (IIRC) to do this work, but no one is bringing that up?
Why are media and dems keeping the focus on just Ukraine and Biden...skipping the underlying motivation: 'With Trump all roads lead to Putin'? THIS is the bigger story, the bigger threat, the most treacherous aspect of all this...
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,073 posts)Right now they're wasting way too much time, IMO, on how Ambassador Yovanovich came to be fired.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)And Parnas is scum, he took
Rachel Maddow for a fool. Depending on
this POS is a major mistake.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Natasha, these dots not being connected by media although SDNY probably has.
I think these two Russians highly implicated & bankrolled Giuliani et al.
Andrey Muraviev aka Muravyov & Vasily Anisimov
Anisimov is bankrolling Firtash in Vienna because Firtash $$ frozen by Ukraine; therefore, Vasily is likely bankrolling European/Ukraine side of Giuliani Et Al Caper. Vasily wants his $125 million back!
Andrey attended school in San Francisco & lived in USA 1992-1998. ?? Did he marry an American? Because he seems to easily invest in USA.
Also ?? Firtash is Aluminum King of Russia. His ties to McConnells Kentucky RU Aluminum deal??
And ?? Whats with Chertoff?! He also helped Eric Prince sell Blackwater?? 🙄
Heres my research:
This oligarch Vasily Anisimov paid Firtashs $125 million bail:
Firtash received another Russian loan to pay his record bail of 125 million in Austria. It came from from Vasily Anisimov, the billionaire who heads the Russian Judo Federation, the governing body of Putins beloved sport.
https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/firtash-claims-kingmaker-role-in-ukrainian-politics-388070.html
Spring 2018 Firtash on cusp of extradition to USA & desperate.
😳Firtash US lawyers
has assembled a team of legal all-stars, including former U.S. Attorney Dan Webb, former Bill Clinton White House attorney Lanny Davis and former U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff to help keep him out of a Chicago courtroom.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-dmitry-firtash-chicago-inc-20180316-story.html
So Vasily is anticipating losing $125 million.
Btw Vasily Anisimov is
Listed as Putins #10
https://www.askanews.it/esteri/2018/01/30/ecco-tutti-i-nomi-della-putin-list-di-washington-top10_20180130_103709/
Also, in Spring 2018
1. Parnas & Fruman donate $325,000 to GOP with magically appearing $$
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmaloop/igor-fruman-america-first-donation-return
And simultaneously a rich Russian Andrey Muraviev becomes $$ front man involved in US Marijuana along with Parnas & Fruman co-indicted Kukushkin.
And $$ is given to Nevada Republicans.
Russian businessman who allegedly bankrolled the effort, court documents in an unrelated California breach of contract lawsuit involving Russian businessman Andrey Muraviev may provide clues to the identity of the unnamed Russian identified as Foreign National-1.
Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article236028683.html#storylink=cpy
So no coincidence Parnas Eagle-eyed attorney Joseph Bondy specializes in Cannabis!
Andrey Muraviev aka Muravyov & Vasily Anisimov are highly likely to have bankrolled Giuliani Parnas & Fruman
Imho
Lastly, the Ukraine Conspiracy was started in 2018 as well per George Kent Testimony:
My article
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212873062
I think these dots are explosive 🧨
wiggs
(7,820 posts)time Parnas's name is mentioned? Isn't it super important that Trump is giving Russian-funded fixers the power of the WH to strong arm countries for his own benefit AND FOR RUSSIA'S BENEFIT??
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)🤷🏻?♀️
And the Cannabis Connection! The Eastern European Oligarchs are allowed to corner IS markets????
doc03
(35,394 posts)but I remember they even said who he was.
alwaysinasnit
(5,077 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)doc03
(35,394 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)doc03
(35,394 posts)something else that drives me crazy but that is a different subject.
crickets
(25,987 posts)doc03
(35,394 posts)Raven123
(4,890 posts)In fact it sounds like he making the case that Rudy is the conduit for disinformation, and that he (Lev) and Trump were fools who believed it.
triron
(22,027 posts)Bev54
(10,083 posts)$200,000 from Toesing and hubby's $1mm contract with Firtash as an interpreter plus they got $100,000 a month expenses and so I believe he was also paid expenses.
As revealed on one of the documents he produced.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)Bev54
(10,083 posts)the Oligarch, and he was paying $100,000 per month expenses.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)It's like "FU money" but more complicated. :p
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)One interview will not touch every relevant avenue of thought
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,759 posts)Was arrested? Ive only seen parts of the interview so far, so maybe this has been asked?
triron
(22,027 posts)ecstatic
(32,751 posts)He's not going to bring up crimes he hasn't been indicted for. His lawyer probably forced the interview to be narrowly focused.
triron
(22,027 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)You win final jeopardy!!
panfluteman
(2,073 posts)triron
(22,027 posts)PatSeg
(47,673 posts)Earlier today it struck me - who was paying Parnas and some of the others he mentioned? We really need to know where that money was coming from.
Warpy
(111,391 posts)in sight when the USSR fell, so I strongly suspect no one cut his paychecks. What I'm really worried about with all this rubbish coming out is that it's a distraction in itself, meant to turn attention to Giuliani as the bad guy and the Oaf as a simple bidnessman who was out of his depth and delegated too much to a bad guy and didn't know what was going on. In addition, a lot of those text messages read like they knew Hyde was a paranoid nutbar and they were goofing on him.
I'm too old, bitter, and cynical to take any of this stuff at face value. The main case against the Oaf is his holdup of military aid to Ukraine in exchange for the announcement of an investigation. While other presidents have held up similar aid packages, the holdup was a matter of hours to days and only to clarify its destination, not two months for propaganda purposes against a political opponent. It was a clear case of international extortion, and I only wonder why that wasn't the charge.
Still, I know that in my lifetime, what has put mobsters into prison most of the time has been tax fraud and I know the Oaf has a hell of a lot to hide there.
The antics in the Senate will be entertaining, to say the least, as will be the reactions of people who were dumb enough to put them there. I hope we've all stocked up on popcorn, their attempts at a meaningless show trial will be epic.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)would an innocent man do/think?
An innocent man would want NO ONE to influence an election they won.
Midnight Writer
(21,819 posts)I've seen some names mentioned, but this is something we, as Democrats, should be pounding home, either through free media or paid.
I want to know how these contributions came about. Were they "arranged"? What are the connections among the politicians getting paid? What tax exempt organizations were laundering the money going to the campaigns?
And, just for my own salacious satisfaction, were they all Republicans? If so, why is that? Answer in the form of an essay, please.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)Was ivankie , Jr, or Jared in the loop too?