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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHave your views on abortion changed?
Forty years ago I viewed abortion as morally wrong and did not believe abortion should be legal. My position has evolved. I no longer believe this. How about you?
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)...the woman and her medical provider.
I am 71 years old and my views have NEVER changed or been any different than this.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Tradition. My views have evolved. Thats what people do.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I learned at a young age that I did not want to be like them. I don't think I could get any more liberal on this subject. Glad you evolved. The current trend in Red States to treat women like birthing machines is beyond awful.
StarryNite
(9,461 posts)breeding stock. It's disgusting! Then they have the audacity to point to other religions of the world and criticize them for their treatment of women. They couldn't get anymore hypocritical.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I had a close friend in HS, in fact my best friend. She met a Mormon guy and they got married and she got fully into that religion -- actually a cult more than a religion, IMO. She had 5 children and nearly died in her 40s with the last two -- twins.
What a waste of a good life. It was bow down and worship the male head of the family for her. He did not like me much...for the obvious reasons. I thought him to be abusive to my friend. He thought he was to be the god of his own world in another life. I thought him to be a POS.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Abortion should be illegal? Would you consider it a positive or a negative that my views have changed over time?
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I applaud you if you have come to see that everyone has a right to select medical care that best suits them. If you at any point chose to not have an abortion, that's your right and it's not my biz what you chose. If you believe that every woman has a right to make the choice that best suits her life, of course that is a positive in my POV.
leftieNanner
(15,179 posts)You may believe whatever you wish. But you should not be able to force your belief onto someone else.
Doodley
(9,151 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)How about discussing it and examining the circumstances instead of insisting it's your business?
Mariana
(14,861 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)...use the credit cards, drive the car, buy something only for herself, cooking only what he chooses to have for meals, and, last but not least, as to pregnancies. Yep, it's HIS business. Groan...
Mariana
(14,861 posts)Doodley
(9,151 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)NOT . YOUR . DECISION. Get it?
Mariana
(14,861 posts)but he knows the decision would be mine, and he wouldn't try to interfere with it, whatever it was.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)It's your body, your decision.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)The women who are in said crappy marriages or relationships them shouldn't be compelled to tell their partners about their medical decisions.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Lars39
(26,117 posts)onecaliberal
(32,931 posts)trueblue2007
(17,242 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)If the woman decides to consult with the sperm donor, that is her choice.
I have never changed my mind on this and I am 67.
phylny
(8,390 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,227 posts).
There is not one thing in the Bible that substantiates the anti-abortion position, besides a few perversions of the two men fighting passages. Others try to justify it because God created the fetuses by blowing up earthen dirt into the womb, since the bronze-aged people didn't know how pregnancy happened. They claim that God knows their fate... the same God that kills babies, children, and pregnant women all of the time. Who is to say that the one God knows that the one in the womb wasn't destined to end in abortion too.
Most of the passages assign just a fine for the death of a fetus. And one set of passages allows a drug to induce abortion if the father proves the fetus is not his.
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Aristus
(66,478 posts)and admit to having been indifferent, neither pro- nor anti-choice.
Some time in the intervening thirty-five years, I became strongly pro-choice. Easy for me; I'm a guy, and can't get pregnant. But it's important to me that men help women protect the right to choose.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,737 posts)It is up to the woman and anyone else she wants to have help from. PERIOD.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)Ohiogal
(32,118 posts)I have always believed same as you
rzemanfl
(29,573 posts)ago when an illegal attempted abortion nearly killed someone I cared about. I dont
think pro-choice was a term back then but I have been ever since. Over 50 years.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)People who vote for candidates who put babies in cages, take away funding for school lunches and healthcare, take away food stamps for poor, disabled and veteran families, allow corporations to pollute our air and water then those people believe in abortion.
leftieNanner
(15,179 posts)It is nobody's business but the pregnant woman's and her physician.
My husband and I have had the discussion - he believes that the man who made her pregnant should have the ability to block the abortion if he wants the child. I say no. He can be a part of the conversation, but he does not have the right to insist that she carry the baby to term. I've borne two babies. No one should be forced to go through that.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)If he did not want a child, then he needed to take precautions at that time -- even if his female partner said she could not get pregnant. After the fact? Not his choice.
leftieNanner
(15,179 posts)"Oh, but Honey! It just isn't as good with a condom!"
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Then get snipped.
leftieNanner
(15,179 posts)when my husband got the "ALL CLEAR" from the urologist that his vasectomy was complete and effective.
Guys - you have no idea what kind of a difference getting a vasectomy will make on your sex life! Your partner will never worry about getting pregnant again!
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Gads, to not be totally responsible for NOT getting pregnant -- what a relief!!!!
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Ohiogal
(32,118 posts)And thats exactly why people who say adoption, not abortion are so wrong.
No woman should be forced to endure a pregnancy and a birth.
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JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,374 posts)Now, I still think that, but think they should be covered by insurance, medicaid, V.A. They should be safe, and free.
leftieNanner
(15,179 posts)contraception and comprehensive sex education. A youth who has been given accurate information and control over their own bodies and their choices, will make better decisions IMHO
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)If Viagra is covered, then the "results" of Viagra should be covered too!
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marybourg
(12,642 posts)No mentally competent woman forgoes birth control voluntarily, and subjects herself to repeated surgical or chemical procedures. You need to reflect on where you absorbed this idea.
ret5hd
(20,534 posts)Hell, my scenario is as believable as yours! Don't scoff!
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,374 posts)The constant interruptions by the staff who wakes you up to ask you how well you're sleeping? You don't get that kind of service anywhere else. That, plus the food service, order at 7am, eat at 9.
sinkingfeeling
(51,482 posts)uses abortion as birth control? It is a painful and unpleasant experience. Stop buying crap from Fox.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,374 posts)... the expense would be negligible, statistically speaking.
Analogous to a MMA fighter who visits the hospitals frequently for sprains, broken bones, and concussions. A rarity.
So, yes, "free" (paid from the general pool of health money).
Mariana
(14,861 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)From the time I first heard of the procedure until I left home at 17 I was told I thought abortion was murder.
I left home because of what I progressively more and more perceived as bullshit coming from my mother and step-asshole and church and I am now a happy, healthy and very liberal atheist and the only worry I have about abortion is doing everything I can to keep it absolutely legal and easily available.
I was just talking about the upcoming elections with my 19 yo granddaughter the night before last and we both agreed that women's health is our number one issue. I will not compromise on it and will automatically exclude a presidential candidate that waffles on it even a little bit. Roe V Wade must be preserved and strengthened.
Faux pas
(14,698 posts)our choice ALWAYS.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And, sure enough, I subscribed to an opinion that was quite suppressive and sexist. Over the years, I realized that as a man I really didn't have a knowledge or experience base to hold a valid opinion on abortion. I then pondered the fact that everyone - even women - had the right to live their lives as they saw fit, and that my input wasn't really needed for everyone else. I further thought about how to write a law that would cover every possible eventuality, and realized that there was no just way to do that; there would always be exceptions to any law, there would always be cruel unintended outcomes. It was best to leave this choice up to each individual, and work toward a society that would equip everyone with the community and support to live according to their own lights.
handmade34
(22,758 posts)I have become even more militant in my righteous view that women need to control their own bodies...
my own experience, my studies, my witness of events, my understanding of history, human development and psychology, .. all of these color my hardened views...
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marybourg
(12,642 posts)Who are you hanging with?
sinkingfeeling
(51,482 posts)much control does she have of her body or life?
Turin_C3PO
(14,087 posts)Please quit with your sexist bullshit.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)you have a very low opinion of women.
handmade34
(22,758 posts)this is the argument one uses who wants to punish women for liking and engaging in too much sex....
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)life of the mother. When I was a young teen, there was a girl named Becky Bell, HBO had a special about her, she couldn't tell her parents, she had an illegal abortion and died the next day. I could never admit to my father that I had sex, I felt just like I imagine that poor girl did. I am 43 now and that has stayed with me all these years.
marybourg
(12,642 posts)Dont compare illegal back alley abortions to legal ones conducted in state of the art medical facilities. Late term abortions are only sought and conducted for serious reasons, although some may fall short of the life of the mother. It may be her long term health thats at stake, or the agony of birthing a seriously defective infant who will live a short agonizing life.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)The outrage over late term abortions was a political marketing gimmick. If you examin George Tillers work you will find how important late term abortions are.
The outrage over intact dilation and extraction was made up. IDC, wen it is used is the safest procedure for the woman. It is most frequently used when the fetus is nonviable or the pregnancy has become toxic, meaning the fetus is already dead.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)best friend went through this.
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)Circa 1962 (I was in Junior High School) I have been solidly behind a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason at any time and free of any obstructions raised by other individuals or groups related or not related.
Doodley
(9,151 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,087 posts)Its the womans decision and no one elses.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)over and over until you develop a sense of decency.
It's the choice of the pregnant person. NOT . YOUR . DECISION .
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)If your god doesnt like it, let it smite sinners itself.
sakabatou
(42,186 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)No, my view on abortion has not changed or evolved.
I have always been pro choice, pro birth control, pro sex education, and pro abortion.
sinkingfeeling
(51,482 posts)churches and government should stay out of it.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)Every case I have read about has been a wanted pregnancy in which something went very wrong. Either the child would have been born severely damaged or with a very short and painful life span or the continued pregnancy endangered the woman or possibly a future pregnancy.
Much of what I have read was in articles about how the murder of Dr. Tiller affected the medical providers in that field:
The Assassination of Dr.Tiller: The Marginality of Abortion in American Culture and Medicine
C. Joffe and T. Weitz: Abortion After Tiller
Carole Joffe and Tracy Weitz ▪ November 10, 2009
<SNIP>
These abortions are commonly referred to as late-term abortions, a definition that is not part of the medical literature and that implies, by use of the word term, that the procedure is occurring at the very end of a pregnancy. The confusion is compounded by the fact that there is no consensus within the medical community as to precisely when the viability of a fetus is reached, and regulations governing the performing of later abortions vary not only from state to state, but from hospital to hospital.
In the case of Tiller, his later abortions consisted of two groups: abortions performed when the fetus was severely compromised, and abortions performed on a viable fetus to preserve the health or life of the pregnant woman. The women who came to Tiller for these later abortions were typically in the most harrowing of situations, carrying wanted pregnancies that had gone terribly wrong or with life-threatening conditions facing the women themselves. Some of these women had fetuses with heartbreaking anomalies that were discovered only later in pregnancy, such an anencephaly, a lethal birth defect in which most of the brain and parts of the skull are missing. Other women had themselves become very ill in the course of a pregnancy, such as the onset of cancer, which demanded a course of chemotherapy.
These later abortions called for specialized medical and counseling services, which Tiller pioneered. Unlike the outpatient services characteristic of the vast majority of earlier abortions, these later procedures took place over a several day period. Patients (and their partners) often stayed in local Wichita motels for up to a week. Womens Health Services offered patients in-depth counseling as well as the opportunity for group counseling with other women and couples in similar situations.
Tiller himself was a deeply religious man and attending to the spiritual needs of his patients was a high priority. The clinic had a special Quiet Room, where patients could grieve after their abortions, sometimes holding the blanketed remains of their fetuses. The chaplain on the clinics staff helped interested patients choose among various options for baptisms, funerals, and burials.
More: https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/the-assassination-of-dr-tiller-the-marginality-of-abortion-in-american-culture-and-medicine
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csziggy
(34,139 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)Such as viability of the baby, or life of mother. I can't imagine there is a woman on this planet who carries a baby for 7 months and then all of a sudden goes: "I'm over it. I'm going to have an abortion"
I gave birth to two children. One of them was not wanted and I almost had an abortion. But not at 7 months! By that time I made a choice to keep her.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Credible ones. Thanks!
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)your bullshit right-wing assertion?
jpak
(41,760 posts)None
of
my
business
Nope
RobertDevereaux
(1,858 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And being pro-life, I am a pacifist. War is not pro-life.
I believe in a living wage, not a minimum wage.
I believe that no one should go to bed hungry.
I am against capital punishment.
As to abortion, I am a male, and I never felt that it was my right to tell women what to do with their bodies.
MontanaMama
(23,356 posts)My folks raised me to believe that, despite us being Catholic. I believe it more fervently than ever. Especially now that my right to make decisions about my body are under imminent threat.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)I also never felt the need to judge others who had experienced one, though I will never know if I would have done the same. I'm glad they had the choice.
On this and related issues, nonmedically trained lawmakers should NOT be developing policy that regulates medical procedures sans input from a consensus and broad group of relevant health care providers.
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)dhol82
(9,353 posts)It was appalling.
The rich and/or connected could get a legal, safe abortion in a hospital.
The poor would have to go to some back alley sleaze.
My opinions have not changed. I know how important a womans right to choose can be.
Still remember sending a telegram (remember those?) to Governor Rockefeller when changing the law in New York State was coming up for discussion, urging him to do the right thing.
handmade34
(22,758 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,914 posts)And bringing up the horror of late term abortions or the myth of women having abortion after abortion rather than using birth control simply shows your ignorance.
Women do not, when eight and a half months pregnant go, "Dang! I knew there was something I intended to do" and sign up for an abortion. Nor do they forego preventing conception in the first place if they have any say in the matter. Late term abortions are invariably because either the pregnancy would endanger the life of the mother, or the baby isn't going to live very long anyway. And to those who would sanctimoniously give birth and then die themselves, or have the baby and watch it die, that's YOUR choice. Not anyone else's.
Every so often I'll read something by some woman who had an abortion and came to regret it deeply, and now believes no other woman should have one. Again, it's a highly personal choice and I'm sorry for the women who had regrets after, but in the end, a good 99% of women are grateful and relieved.
And if all those advocating adoption were out there adopting, I'd respect them a bit more, but that's almost never the case.
I have felt this way ever since I understood where babies came from, and I'm 71.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Thank you.
meadowlander
(4,408 posts)Not your body, not your business.
With an extra little dose of "fuck you" to people who oppose abortion and don't want to fund social services, daycare, food stamps or any other support for the obvious results of their meddling in other peoples' sex lives.
marlakay
(11,514 posts)In my late 30s total pro choice now. I am 63. But what really changed me was someone close to me had one and I just couldnt think of her as a murderer.
melman
(7,681 posts)Yes it does make a difference.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, I've always been pro choice.
Botany
(70,614 posts)BTW the only time my 2 cents are worth anything is if I was the father of the child. Outside of that
it is none of my business.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Had awareness of the risks to a mother when my aunt was hospitalized after a couple of rough deliveries when I was a kid. Had a fairly medical perspective of pregnancy from an early age.
A few years later, I learned of abortion thereabouts at the same time I was cornered by a good friend with a file of anti abortion propaganda, and I just wasnt buying what she was saying. We drifted apart after that exchange. I knew pregnancy and choice were more complicated than that. Ive always been pro choice.
These days I like to say Im for less death and fewer abortions and is why it needs to remain legal, safe, and reasonably available. My views are more complex than this regarding womens rights and societies, but at least that line can lead to a more meaningful conversation about why banning abortion will not reduce abortion rates.
Otherwise, whats been rather obvious to me for a long, long time is that if all else were the same, except that men birthed babies, then getting an abortion would be as easy as shopping at Sams Club.
Ilsa
(61,707 posts)Of course I don't believe that, but plenty do.
I've always been pro-choice.
Turin_C3PO
(14,087 posts)Until I was 18, I parroted my parents views, which at the time were anti-choice (theyre pro choice now). But since then, Ive become 100% pro-choice. Its none of my damn business if a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy.
sanatanadharma
(3,740 posts)... or rather was twice at clinics with women, with whom we conceived. During one, I sat outside the clinic meditating and watching the anti-woman demonstrators. I tell them that abortion saves souls from original sin and guarantees them heaven.
The aborted are advanced souls whose karmic slate is so clean, they need be embodied no more than a few months to erase the last of their incarnations.
MFM008
(19,823 posts)now im 61 i realize its nobody's business but the patient. period.
nocoincidences
(2,231 posts)I have always been very pro-abortion.
It is only the business of the one who is pregnant.
When you get pregnant, that becomes really clear.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,467 posts)and without apology.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)remain legal.
Wounded Bear
(58,743 posts)and have lived in the Nunmybidness world.
One part of this I've always known is the wealth inequality of it. Rich women have ALWAYS had access to safe abortions. Poor women have not. In many ways, abortion is the ultimate test of whether one feels women should be equal and independent or not.
It's a woman's choice. That's how it should be. The only 'questions' should be answered between a woman and her doctor.
WhiteTara
(29,728 posts)don't have one.
If you don't gay lifestyles, don't live it.
Neither is any of my business. Live and let live.
Crunchy Frog
(26,683 posts)since having my twins.
I just can't imagine forcing someone to go through that against their will.
My sons were born prematurely at 33 1/2 weeks gestation, and I will say that I don't believe that I should have had an option to go in a week or two or three before then and get an abortion because I'd gotten cold feet about it. I don't think that actually happens though, except in the fevered imaginations of anti choicers.
Hope this post doesn't offend anyone.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)a few of whom have posted in this very thread.
abakan
(1,819 posts)If it's not your body, it's none of your business.
I am 68 yrs old and when I was 17 I was in the position to make this choice.
I chose to carry the child and put him up for adoption. While I made the choice
that was best for me, while I concluded abortion was not right for me, I would
never presume my choice was the only choice for anyone else and I will fight for
their right to do what is best for their lives.
In 2018 my son found me through Ancestry DNA. I now have a family that loves me
and three of the most beautiful grand children.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Congratulation on reconnecting with your son and your grandchildren.
The Baby Scoop Era was such a terrible time. Many women only had one option--adoption. Abortion wasn't an easily available option for many. And single motherhood was made incredibly difficult, if not outright impossible.
The same people who want abortion to be illegal are the ones who heap scorn upon unmarried women who keep their babies. And if they ever overturn Roe vs. Wade it will get far worse. What they want is absolutely no sex outside of heterosexual marriage and for EVERY SINGLE CHILD born out of wedlock to be given up for adoption. In other words, they want a return to the Baby Scoop Era.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)My mother died in childbirth when I was two and a half so I know first hand what the risks can be. I know that most women don't die these days, but I believe that it is a private matter between a woman and her doctor and nobody needs to know or approve of her reasons but her.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)nor to impose on free will. We all make our own choices.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)what to do with their bodies.
bluestarone
(17,067 posts)Never will! It's the WOMAN'S CHOICE!!!
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)I am 41. I went to Catholic school. My parents were not anti-abortion. I picked that up in Catholic school. I remember my mom, God rest her soul, arguing with me over the matter, but they ultimately gave me a lot of leeway as I developed my opinions on things. So, I remember being anti-abortion through my teen years as I went through Catholic school. Interestingly, I was liberal about everything else and my Catholic school pushed me further left (run by Franciscans). I wasn't militant and I didn't join any "right to life" activities.
After high school, I realized I was anti-abortion for myself and pro-choice for everyone else and then evolved from there.
shanti
(21,675 posts)I've always been pro-choice, and that won't change.
nancy1942
(635 posts)I have always believed in a woman's right to choose. It should be a matter between herself and her doctor and no-one else. It is her body and it is her business.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)a copy of Our Body, Ourselves and a photo of a woman, face down on the floor, who bled out from an illegal abortion.
My pro-choice views were shaped then and have not changed.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)The only thing that's changed is how I argue for it.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)So I always knew arguments against choice were bullshit since at the time only 5 doctors performed the procedure and only when the woman's life was at risk.
So to answer your question my views never changed once I became politically active.
Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)Yesterday, today, and all the tomorrows.
Our body. Our voice. Our choice.
Why mythologize a fetus when you can empower a woman?
Unless your goal is to manipulate and control the woman, that is.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Is going to a huge pro choice rally in DC when I was 5, 6, or 7. Believing in reproductive freedom is absolutely central to my political beliefs.
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)mvd
(65,180 posts)Firmly pro-choice. I do not like abortion, but I dont think many do. Most women use abortion when necessary, contrary to the right wing beliefs.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I cant think of a single time when I wasnt.
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KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)Prior to roe v wade I felt abortion was wrong but supported it being legal. I have never expected others to live by my morals.
In 1976 and again in 1979 I ended up in a situation where abortion saved my life. I wanted the child desperately but it was not to be.
Since that moment I realized right or wrong has zero to do with abortion. It is a medical procedure and that is all.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)And even more so now that I have a daughter and 2 granddaughters. Or put another way: yes, Im pro-life. Pro-womans-life.
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)I grew up in a religious household in western Nebraska.
ellie
(6,929 posts)I am very pro-choice then and I am pro-choice now. I am 55.
Skittles
(153,226 posts)I have always known abortion should be woman's choice, END OF STORY
Liberal In Texas
(13,592 posts)It is not a moral thing.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Polybius
(15,509 posts)In 2020, it seems most people are either completely against it even in cases of rape or incest, or completely for it for any reason at all. It seems viewpoints in the middle are getting harder to find.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)I came of age in the early 70s and abortion wasn't as big a deal as it is now. Conservative groups such as the Southern Baptists had come out in favor of Roe vs Wade when the ruling came down.
There were objections of course but they were outside of the main stream. Except of course for the Catholic church.
As the decade wore on the anti abortion movement grew and became more fervent. I didn't know that this was due to a careful l campaign to frame abortion as a moral and xtian issue.
I was nonplussed because in my opinion we were talking about a tiny bundle of cells verses a woman's ability to live her life in a manner of her choosing.
Fast forward to the 80s, that's when I heard an anti abortion activist say the birth control should be illegal to. I was shocked to my core. Why be against one of the thing that prevent abortions? It was that craziness that started me being more active and more watchful of the zealots that wanted to end the right to choose.
Finally the assassination of Dr. George Tiller set my opinion in philosophical stone.
Any study of Tillers work reveals that if any abortion was necessary it was the ones that Tiller performed. Tiller, without exaggeration. a good man doing medically important work who became a secular martyr.
I now believe that the anti abortion movement is evil, regardless of the motives of its members. The only people who should be involved in the decison on abortion is the woman involved and her doctor. To quote Joe Biden, period, full stop.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Luckily I had an uncle who was a gynecologist who also volunteered his time to helping women who had botched abortions that were life threatening. He lobbied for abortions to become legal so women would get safe abortions. His argument was that women will get abortions whether theyre legal or not so they should be legal.
He talked to all the women in the family who were old enough, including his daughters and all his nieces about getting birth control and safe abortions. This was 55 years ago.
I remember how surprised I was that my good hearted, funny and joking favorite uncle, which he was to all of us, could be so serious about something.
If you can pay for it yourself, it doesn't concern me.