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What about refrigerating the oceans (Original Post) cilla4progress Jan 2020 OP
There are ideas to recreate sea ice, but it would take many ships to do it. GreenPartyVoter Jan 2020 #1
Refrigeration produces heat. California_Republic Jan 2020 #2
That would be a challenge. Turbineguy Jan 2020 #3
Exactly right. Cooling is accomplished by heat sinking. marble falls Jan 2020 #18
How? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #4
It's worse than just moved, even relayerbob Jan 2020 #7
Right, so instead of pumping heat out of it... jberryhill Jan 2020 #14
And when the sea levels rise, we should pump that water somewhere else. rickford66 Jan 2020 #5
Pump it into Holland jberryhill Jan 2020 #13
I had an idea robbob Jan 2020 #20
The Sahara Desert actually supports the South American rain forests. rickford66 Jan 2020 #21
Plant more trees Yavin4 Jan 2020 #6
It will take energy to cool the oceans DenverJared Jan 2020 #8
Nice thought but, Disaffected Jan 2020 #9
No need to refrigerate the oceans if you can figure an economical way to flip it Brother Buzz Jan 2020 #10
And the second feller says it's deep, mmmm-hmmm jberryhill Jan 2020 #12
I visited our local Dollar store to gawk at all the bizarre stuff they sell.... Brother Buzz Jan 2020 #19
Wow jberryhill Jan 2020 #11
C'mon man. You can't be serious. Captain Stern Jan 2020 #15
We really need a facepalm emoji.. denbot Jan 2020 #16
Middle school physics says "nah." nt Codeine Jan 2020 #17

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
4. How?
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020

And even assuming it was possible with any technology, the fact is that cooling creates more heat. Stand on the other side of your air conditioner - you'll feel that it's blowing hot air. Heat doesn't go away, it's just moved. Google the refrigeration cycle.

relayerbob

(6,561 posts)
7. It's worse than just moved, even
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:34 AM
Jan 2020

Since refrigeration isn't perfect (actually far from it), inefficiencies result in more heat coming out of the cooling device into the air or wherever it would go, than the water would be cooled ... and, of course, it would require huge amounts of energy to operate, significantly more than double what we use now. I've no doubt you know this, just wanted to make this part of the answer.

robbob

(3,539 posts)
20. I had an idea
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:55 AM
Jan 2020

What if the worlds resources were put into desalinating the Mediterranean Sea and irrigating the Sahara desert? Especially if some aspects of the project could run off solar power? Please feel free to rip holes in my idea; it’s something I’ve been wondering about...

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
8. It will take energy to cool the oceans
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:37 AM
Jan 2020

which will generate heat and add to the carbon emissions.

Even if we were to use solar, wouldn't we rather use that energy on land to reduce carbon emissions?

Disaffected

(4,571 posts)
9. Nice thought but,
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:39 AM
Jan 2020

utterly impractical. The heat capacity of the oceans is immense as would be the energy required to power the refrigeration needed to cool it.

As well, that would not solve the absorbed CO2 problem which is about as big a problem as the increasing temperatures.

Brother Buzz

(36,486 posts)
10. No need to refrigerate the oceans if you can figure an economical way to flip it
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:46 AM
Jan 2020

Deep ocean water has a very uniform temperature, around 0-3 °C, while the temperature near the surface (where the vast majority of sea life exists) averages about 17°C

90 % of the total volume of the ocean is really, really cold

Brother Buzz

(36,486 posts)
19. I visited our local Dollar store to gawk at all the bizarre stuff they sell....
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:37 AM
Jan 2020

and started laughing when I saw cans, and cans of potted meat. I swear to God, I'd never, ever, seen a can of potted meat; I just assumed it was just something Billy Bob Thornton made up for the movie for the long joke.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Wow
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:47 AM
Jan 2020

That’s an interesting idea you have there. Could you perhaps provide a general sense of what sort of refrigeration technology we’re talking about here?

Like floating solar powered Peltier coolers, for example?

Some sort of OTEC-powered system?
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