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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:54 AM Jan 2020

Let's be clear: at this point, Alan Dershowitz is a "constitutional scholar" in the same way that

Father Guido Sarducci was a "theological scholar". Both say outrageous and silly things in order to bask in the attention of a large TV audience.

Father Guido made me laugh. Dershowitz triggers my gag reflex.

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Let's be clear: at this point, Alan Dershowitz is a "constitutional scholar" in the same way that (Original Post) Atticus Jan 2020 OP
Father Guido. Boy, there is a great blast from the past. justhanginon Jan 2020 #1
The danger of Alan is that his resume carries weight.... that is why he is on the TEAM ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #2
"The good thing is he is bat-shit crazy now" pazzyanne Jan 2020 #3
I disagree with that statement! chwaliszewski Jan 2020 #5
Bat shit is what they are looking for...because they want a reflection of themselves ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #6
I agree. He brings a lot of weight to this underpants Jan 2020 #7
Yes he was ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #8
Saw a rambling interview of Dershowitz by Fox Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #17
while trying to claim he "kept his underwear on" lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #26
Oh, he's the "I kept my underwear on" pedophile. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #28
Dershowitz is part of the Epstein rape young girls club, along with drumpf. lark Jan 2020 #4
+1, but MAGA Suckers love him and starr cause they were on FAUX News a lot uponit7771 Jan 2020 #9
But he voted for Hillary! onlyadream Jan 2020 #16
He's a liar, bet he didn't vote at all. lark Jan 2020 #34
I heard him say he was defending Trump against impeachment Generic Brad Jan 2020 #10
Yup! CNN last night Alan Dershowitz has lost it .... BTW I am not a lawyer Botany Jan 2020 #11
The horse is out of the barn, taken a shit, and won the roses ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #27
I had forgotten about Father Guido, but thank you, it is a good comparison Perseus Jan 2020 #12
more tired retreads re surfacing. AllaN01Bear Jan 2020 #13
He's a contrarian. cab67 Jan 2020 #14
Such have their place in the back throwing spitballs BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #23
He did say he kept his underwear on, safeinOhio Jan 2020 #15
:). My words exactly, if I'd thought of them Hortensis Jan 2020 #18
I disagree with Dershowitz but he is no fool Cicada Jan 2020 #19
1.) I did not call him a fool; 2.) I stand by my comparison of the two clowns, and Atticus Jan 2020 #30
Here is my complaint about Dershowitz Cicada Jan 2020 #31
or, maybe there is kompromat Skittles Jan 2020 #36
Dershowitz is no Feynman Azathoth Jan 2020 #33
You don't have to believe me that Dershowitz makes sound arguments Cicada Jan 2020 #37
Flabby, Grabby and Stabby...... SergeStorms Jan 2020 #20
A 5 minute University is 4 minutes and 45 seconds too long for trump supporters..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #21
Love me some Don Novello, but... B Stieg Jan 2020 #22
Wasn't that just down the block from "Our Lady of Perpetual Motion"? nt Atticus Jan 2020 #29
taste of Father Guido for those too young to have seen him on SNL csziggy Jan 2020 #24
Oh Lordy... calimary Jan 2020 #25
Laurence Tribe is also a constitutional scholar shanti Jan 2020 #32
MSNBC panel bursts out laughing after watching clip of Alan Dershowitz explaining his Trump defense Gothmog Jan 2020 #35

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
2. The danger of Alan is that his resume carries weight.... that is why he is on the TEAM
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jan 2020

The good thing is he is bat-shit crazy now and his vaunted resume is going to be shredded once he opens his mouth. I am looking forward to watching him collapse on prime time.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
6. Bat shit is what they are looking for...because they want a reflection of themselves
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:36 AM
Jan 2020

All done at the behest of tRUMP. Holy fuck, it appears that these fuckers don't understand a narcissist. A narcissist will burn his own house to the ground to prove a ridiculous point, any fucking point as long as it is his. There are no LAWS, no CONSEQUENCES, that a narcissist cares about. Mr. Toads wild ride is about to begin.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
8. Yes he was
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:47 AM
Jan 2020

That was a long time ago, and he appears to have lost his marbles. BUT don't tell tRUMP that!

Farmer-Rick

(10,219 posts)
17. Saw a rambling interview of Dershowitz by Fox
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:04 AM
Jan 2020

He was claiming he had perfect sex. I guess he was implying he didn't rape little girls. He helped get Epstein that sweetheart deal for child sex trafficking in Florida.

lapfog_1

(29,234 posts)
26. while trying to claim he "kept his underwear on"
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

when getting a massage from an underage girl at Epsteins.

A I don't believe him.

B At least one of Epsein's "lolitas" claims that he raped her

C even if he didn't have sex... eeeewe. Why is he getting a massage from such a young girl

Farmer-Rick

(10,219 posts)
28. Oh, he's the "I kept my underwear on" pedophile.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jan 2020

I heard that awhile ago and didn't realize it was Dershowitz. My how the mighty have turned into crazy perverts.

lark

(23,179 posts)
4. Dershowitz is part of the Epstein rape young girls club, along with drumpf.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:26 AM
Jan 2020

Both are heinous and dispicable pretend people that have no depth, no heart, no caring about anyone except themselves, only venal hate and bullying glee.

lark

(23,179 posts)
34. He's a liar, bet he didn't vote at all.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jan 2020

Men like him and drumpf have no real friends, have no real beliefs, only transactional situations.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
10. I heard him say he was defending Trump against impeachment
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jan 2020

News flash Dershowitz: Trump is already impeached. This trial is about removal from office!

If you must acquit, you're full of shit!

Botany

(70,618 posts)
11. Yup! CNN last night Alan Dershowitz has lost it .... BTW I am not a lawyer
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020

He keeps saying that he needs to make the argument against the impeachment of
Trump in front of the Senate but isn't that horse is already out of the barn? Trump has
been impeached and no argument is going to change that.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
12. I had forgotten about Father Guido, but thank you, it is a good comparison
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020

I am still laughing.

Bundy was also interviewed this morning, she sounded like a young girl complaining about her school mates (Democrats in Congress), and she promises to "stick to the facts"...If so, the con is going to jail, but we know that is just blah, blah, blah.

cab67

(3,010 posts)
14. He's a contrarian.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jan 2020

Universities are full of such people. They don't necessarily believe what they say - they just like the attention gained from saying controversial things that run against the consensus.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
19. I disagree with Dershowitz but he is no fool
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jan 2020

I read a book of Dershowitz columns, more than 100 of them. I had the highest LSAT score in my highly ranked law school. Dershowitz is way smarter than I am. I have studied the history of impeachment. I strongly disagree with Dershowitz’s view of what is a valid reason for impeachment. Dershowitz like everyone else gets some things wrong. But calling him a fool, comparing him to the late great Guido Sarducci, is nuts. He has defensible arguments for his views. His views will always be rational. When 29 year old Richard Feynman first presented his views on quantum mechanics leading physicists insulted him. Two or three days later, after further discussions at the conference, most realized they had underestimated him for his idea which won the Nobel Prize. Don’t underestimate Alan Dershowitz boys and girls.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
30. 1.) I did not call him a fool; 2.) I stand by my comparison of the two clowns, and
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jan 2020

3.) his arguments are "defensible" only in the sense that there are "defensible" arguments supporting eugenics and a flat earth.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
31. Here is my complaint about Dershowitz
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jan 2020

On Fox he defends Trump but he never criticizes him. He is one sided, presumably to preserve his access to Fox News. I find that a form of dishonesty.

I think his arguments about what the founders meant by high crimes and misdemeanors is debatable but plausible. My view is that we should also consider the common law of impeachments to discern what was in the minds of founders. In the centuries of impeachment and removals I detect this standard: is there evidence that the person will fail to do the job properly. Many alcoholics were removed. Those willing to take bribes were removed. Abuse of power also signals a likelihood that the job will not be done properly so off with Trump’s head.

Skittles

(153,243 posts)
36. or, maybe there is kompromat
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jan 2020

there's got to be something that explains why SO many accomplished people are willing to disgrace themselves for a pussy grabbing, fascist piece of shit

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
33. Dershowitz is no Feynman
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020

He's a knowledgable lawyer and a skilled appellate specialist, but his primary talent is and always has been self-promotion.

In his entire career, he's never come remotely close to producing something revolutionary and transformational like Feynman did.

And there's also the little issue that many of his most notable cases, from von Bulow onward, featured work "by Dershowitz" that was really a collective product of himself and his students at Harvard. It's amazing how brilliant you can make yourself appear when you have hand-picked students at Harvard Law School working for you for free.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
37. You don't have to believe me that Dershowitz makes sound arguments
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jan 2020

I think I am pretty good at judging whether arguments are logical and soundly based. I have zero reason to support Dershowitz. I disagree with many things he says. I responded to a claim that Dershowitz was using poor reasoning, that he not a good lawyer just as the late great Guido Sarducci was not a good priest. I disapprove of Dershowitz because he dishonestly tilts his comments to state mainly those which support Trump while he rarely states areas where he disagrees with Trump. I think people often underestimate their opponents. If you think Dershowitz is illogical or is making arguments about impeachment do not have a logical basis then I respectfully disagree with you.

I think Dershowitz is smarter than most people who get perfect scores on ETS tests, that his IQ is higher than 150 which might be a good average estimate for those people, but I certainly agree he is no Feynman. Who is?

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
20. Flabby, Grabby and Stabby......
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jan 2020

are Dershowitz's "famous" (should be "infamous" ) clients according to Jon Meacham, meaning Trump, Epstein, and O.J. Simpson. Meacham rolled out this line on Bill Maher's show last night, and I thought it was rather funny, but also downright disgusting as well. I think Trump is more the "Grabby" client than the plain "Flabby" moniker Meachum bestowed on him, and Epstein deserves much more than the "Grabby" nickname, but for the sake of comedy it'll have to do I guess. These are the type of people "Constitutional Scholar" Alan Dershowitz represents. Dershowitz represents anyone with a ton of money to throw his way, and "Constitutional Scholar" is one phrase that won't be chiseled on his freaking headstone.

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
21. A 5 minute University is 4 minutes and 45 seconds too long for trump supporters.....
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:29 AM
Jan 2020

Their attention span is only 15 seconds. They will probably drink beer the rest of the time.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
22. Love me some Don Novello, but...
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jan 2020

You left out that other great TV religion of the 1970's, Flip Wilson's "Church of What's Happening Now!"

shanti

(21,675 posts)
32. Laurence Tribe is also a constitutional scholar
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jan 2020

but he has ethics. A debate between these two would be awesome.

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