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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:33 PM Jan 2020

Breaking: Queen: "Harry and Meghan no longer working members of the royal family"




Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.

Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.

I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.

I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.

It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.

Statement from Buckingham Palace
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.

As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties.

With The Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.

The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.

Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.

This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020.


Sounds like what happened to Uncle Eddy 80 yrs ago...

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Breaking: Queen: "Harry and Meghan no longer working members of the royal family" (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
Damn! hlthe2b Jan 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Jan 2020 #2
That's four Royals out of commission. no_hypocrisy Jan 2020 #3
I'm in between gigs... Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #4
Prince Valiant! lunatica Jan 2020 #12
Anne is already reputed to be the hardest working royal. cwydro Jan 2020 #39
Really, who cares......we loved the kids of Diana because we loved her. a kennedy Jan 2020 #45
I understand their choice to go their own way. madaboutharry Jan 2020 #59
Always open if they want to return as "working" members of the royal family . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #5
Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton RandySF Jan 2020 #6
"They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties" Jake Stern Jan 2020 #7
Doubt they're worried about that at all shanti Jan 2020 #9
Good for them. shockey80 Jan 2020 #8
Kinda my view zipplewrath Jan 2020 #56
Well if you are going to quit the Queen Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #10
An interesting aspect of this is Disaffected Jan 2020 #13
Meghan? phylny Jan 2020 #14
Right you are Disaffected Jan 2020 #19
Watch Harry will sign on with Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #18
Quite possibly, Disaffected Jan 2020 #21
Is he not a Chopper Pilot? Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #22
William (I think) Disaffected Jan 2020 #23
Yes, Harry is a chopper pilot and served in combat during his second deployment csziggy Jan 2020 #41
You have to have worked in Canada Sgent Jan 2020 #48
Good for them :) I wish them massive happiness! Guilded Lilly Jan 2020 #11
"Uncle Eddy," as you call him, wanted to marry a gold-digger who used her own husband as a beard ... Hekate Jan 2020 #15
Prince Charles had to marry a virgin, milestogo Jan 2020 #16
Wasn't he close to 40? Diana was just 19 years old when they got engaged. Hekate Jan 2020 #31
He was 32 nt maryellen99 Jan 2020 #36
They were 10 or 11 years apart, but there is a whole world between 20 and 30. milestogo Jan 2020 #38
Yeah, I'm aware of what a shitheel he was. n/t Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #61
Royalty is nonsense Demovictory9 Jan 2020 #17
We Americans are naturally egalitarians. Duppers Jan 2020 #20
Some British attitudes differ Duppers Jan 2020 #29
Trump is only that kind of elite in his dreams. Charles Pierce is right to call him a vulgarian. Hekate Jan 2020 #33
"Bred" can also mean "raised" or "brought up". Mariana Jan 2020 #37
Well, that person didn't know what they were talking about. cwydro Jan 2020 #40
Diana's maternal grandmother allegedly got involved to arrange the appalachiablue Jan 2020 #46
I hope so too, appalachiablue. nt Duppers Jan 2020 #47
I saw your post & it got me started :) You must have really appalachiablue Jan 2020 #49
Wonderful to hear! Duppers Jan 2020 #55
That's very fine; we'll catch up later! appalachiablue Jan 2020 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author lpbk2713 Jan 2020 #24
I think that's Frogmore House and not Frogmore Cottage. CottonBear Jan 2020 #27
You are correct. I will delete. lpbk2713 Jan 2020 #28
You're welcome. Thanks. N/T CottonBear Jan 2020 #43
Working? Would that be like professional wavers? jalan48 Jan 2020 #25
"Keep the kids away from Prince Andrew" smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #62
Worthless imbeciles the lot of them. Codeine Jan 2020 #26
Megan said that as long as tRump is POTUS she won't live here. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #30
I wish I could move to Canada. 3catwoman3 Jan 2020 #34
There is a lot of racism over there and this really brought it out Withywindle Jan 2020 #42
I don't think it would be any better here for them kskiska Jan 2020 #32
WTF! iloveObama12 Jan 2020 #35
they're essentially quitting their jobs and leaving the country Skittles Jan 2020 #53
"Q Elizabeth is no longer a member of the English government' lindysalsagal Jan 2020 #44
Hate to bring it up but Diana kept certain functions appalachiablue Jan 2020 #50
the very fact they did not wait for the queen to pass Skittles Jan 2020 #51
Good for them. ZWQ Jan 2020 #52
The press will be more infatuated MontanaMama Jan 2020 #54
Hopefully the Canadians will adopt them as their own royalty Aussie105 Jan 2020 #58
I'm rooting for them. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #57
The whole royalty thing is ridiculous PJMcK Jan 2020 #60
Most countries have dropped them and it is interesting treestar Jan 2020 #64

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

no_hypocrisy

(46,250 posts)
3. That's four Royals out of commission.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

That includes Prince Phillip and Prince Andrew.

Will Charles, Anne, and/or Edward pick up the slack?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
39. Anne is already reputed to be the hardest working royal.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:24 PM
Jan 2020

She’s always pulled her weight, quietly and with dignity.

a kennedy

(29,729 posts)
45. Really, who cares......we loved the kids of Diana because we loved her.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020

Harry was more like Diana anyway......good for Meghan and Harry.....screw the “Royal Family”. Harry is 6th in line for the throne. So good for them getting out of that line of what’s supposed to be your life when a member of the royal family. I LOVE THEM ALL, HARRY, MEGHAN, & ARCHIE.

madaboutharry

(40,238 posts)
59. I understand their choice to go their own way.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:34 AM
Jan 2020

Harry wants his own life. Meghan probably encouraged him by looking around her and concluding that showing up at pompous events for years on end doesn’t make for a fulfilling life. I totally get it. Good for them.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. Always open if they want to return as "working" members of the royal family . . .
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jan 2020

And the royal family will always embrace them as such.

Harry and Meghan and Archie will make them proud.

Brother William (soon to be King) will always love his little brother.

RandySF

(59,493 posts)
6. Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jan 2020

ritain’s royal correspondents, they said, are seen as reliable sources of information. "This misconception propels coverage that is often carried by other outlets around the world, amplifying frequent misreporting," they wrote. Removing themselves from "royal rota" coverage has sparked an outcry among UK media and drew a protest from the National Union of Journalists.

This isn't a new complaint from the royal couple — they just took an unprecedented step to do something about it. Harry and Meghan have said publicly that they believe they have been treated unfairly by the UK press since the moment news broke of their relationship — that they are bullied, that there are racist undertones to coverage of them, and that they have been held to a different standard than Harry's brother and sister-in-law, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (aka Prince William and Kate Middleton).


The UK media outlets that currently make up the royal rota are the Daily Express, the Daily Mail, the Daily Mirror, the Evening Standard, the Telegraph, the Times, and the Sun.

Here is a look at 20 stories from these outlets that appear to show a double standard between press coverage of Meghan and Kate. BuzzFeed News has reached out to all of the outlets featured below for comment.




https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

shanti

(21,675 posts)
9. Doubt they're worried about that at all
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

They're in line to make a shitload of money from other avenues and connections.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
56. Kinda my view
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:27 AM
Jan 2020

They have decided to step back and although they may not have handled it the best way, their family and they have come to an understanding. Really none of our business.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Well if you are going to quit the Queen
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jan 2020

and her Racist Son,Vancouver Island is one heck of a great place to relocate to.

And the Canadian Government has stepped up to the plate to provide Security for Susexes. Seems to be a ton of Jealousy running through the Royal Court.

Disaffected

(4,571 posts)
13. An interesting aspect of this is
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

although they will easily get visitors visas for entry to Canada, for purposes of becoming Permanent Residents they will be treated no differently than anyone else who wants to immigrate. And, it looks like Meghan would be the most likely to qualify (so all three could enter as a family) primarily due to her work experience - Harry apparently not so much (it's a point based merit system and you get no points for being a royal).

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
41. Yes, Harry is a chopper pilot and served in combat during his second deployment
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

In Afghanistan:

On 10 March 2011, it was revealed that Harry had passed his Apache flying test and he was awarded his Apache Flying Badge on 14 April 2011.[51] There was speculation he would return to Afghanistan before the withdrawal in 2015. On 16 April 2011, it was announced that Harry had been promoted to captain.[52]

In June 2011, Clarence House announced that on completion of his training conversion course to use Apache helicopters in the war arena, Harry would be available for deployment, including in current operations in Afghanistan, as an Apache helicopter pilot. The final decision rested with the Ministry of Defence's senior commanders, including principally the Chief of the Defence Staff in consultation with the wishes of Harry, the Prince of Wales, and the Queen.[53] In October, he was transferred to a US military base in California to complete his helicopter gunship training.[54] This final phase included live-fire training and "environmental and judgment training" at naval and air force facilities in California and Arizona. Most of those completing the two-month Apache training were deployed to the front lines in Afghanistan.[55] In the same month, it was reported that Harry was said to be a natural pilot who was top of his class in the extensive training he had undertaken at the Naval Air Facility, El Centro, California;[56] while training in Southern California, he spent time in San Diego.[57] In November 2011, Harry returned to England. He went to Wattisham Airfield in Suffolk, in the east of England, to complete his training to fly Apache helicopters.[58]

On 7 September 2012, Harry arrived at Camp Bastion in southern Afghanistan as part of the 100-strong 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment, Army Air Corps,[59] to begin a four-month combat tour as a co-pilot and gunner for an Apache helicopter.[60] On 10 September, within days of arriving in Afghanistan, it was reported that the Taliban had threatened his life. Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid spoke to Reuters and was quoted as saying: "We are using all our strength to get rid of him, either by killing or kidnapping." He added, "We have informed our commanders in Helmand to do whatever they can to eliminate him."[61]

On 21 January 2013, it was announced that Harry was returning from a 20-week deployment in Afghanistan,[62] where he served as an Apache co-pilot/gunner. On 8 July 2013, the Ministry of Defence announced that Harry had successfully qualified as an Apache aircraft commander.[63] Harry compared operating the Apache's weapons systems in Afghanistan to playing video games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Harry,_Duke_of_Sussex#Army_Air_Corps_and_second_deployment_to_Afghanistan

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
48. You have to have worked in Canada
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:09 AM
Jan 2020

within 3 years to be eligible for fast track access.

Worst case scenario they could invest $1m in a recycling business in British Colombia, which would get them a Provincial Nomination which almost guarantees visa eligibility.

Hekate

(90,913 posts)
15. "Uncle Eddy," as you call him, wanted to marry a gold-digger who used her own husband as a beard ...
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jan 2020

...for her affair with the playboy prince. They both were Nazi sympathizers, so I'm left without a whole lot of sympathy for their plight.

Marriage in the royal family (any Royal family on earth, actually) has always been complicated -- but at least inconvenient wives and mistresses no longer lose their heads or are exiled to a tower someplace.

As far as I can tell as an extremely casual observer, Queen Elizabeth II seems to have learned a harsh lesson from the whole Princess Diana episode. One thing: her son Prince Charles may be the last one ever forced to not marry the woman he was in love with all along, that is, Camilla.

Apparently she was considered unsuitable in some respects, and there is (or used to be) some Royal College or other that would check out people's lineage and whatnot. It's how things were done, and wasn't really Liz's doing.

So Camilla gave up and married someone else, and Charles just didn't get married until the pressure to produce heirs got too great, at which point he picked the very young and naive Diana. Diana had all the qualifications, even if her mother had run away to Argentina with the groom.

Fast forward, notice that Diana's son William (the direct heir) married a commoner, the daughter of successful people who made their own money, and no one said boo. And Harry (6th in line) also married a commoner, a divorced American actress of mixed race -- and they all just smiled and lined up for the family portraits.

The real problem seems to have been the tabloids and how they have always triggered Harry. Of course the tabloids hurt Meghan, and to be sure marrying into a family like that would be hard for anyone used to having her own life -- but I really think Harry wanted out. Just think if he had married a suitable British girl: she'd be unlikely to agree to leave the family and the country, wouldn't she?

JMHO




milestogo

(16,829 posts)
16. Prince Charles had to marry a virgin,
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jan 2020

so he married a girl 10 years younger who he had nothing in common with.

That's the first rule they had to get rid of.

Hekate

(90,913 posts)
31. Wasn't he close to 40? Diana was just 19 years old when they got engaged.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jan 2020

There was really quite an age gap.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
38. They were 10 or 11 years apart, but there is a whole world between 20 and 30.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jan 2020

He was essentially her first boyfriend.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
20. We Americans are naturally egalitarians.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:03 PM
Jan 2020

Even the notion of royalty is antithetical to our beliefs and concepts of what our country should be.

And our Democratic Party most highly represents those beliefs.



Duppers

(28,127 posts)
29. Some British attitudes differ
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jan 2020

Personal story: First let me share that my hubby and I are polar opposites in many ways. So, on with the story...Hubs was a "Visiting Fellow" of Churchill College, Cambridge, back in the late '80, early '90. That position gave him privileges at the College, one of which was attending "High Table" and the following cocktail gatherings. I could tag along if I liked. So, it was at one of these gatherings that the subject of Prince Charles and Diana's divorce came up. I heard something that shocked me: a pompous asshole declare, "Well, you know, Diana wasn't bred for royalty." "BRED"!! I thought, my gawd, what was she, cattle?? How the F is one "bred" for royalty? I am most hostile to that kind of thinking - it stinks of tRumpism, elitism.


Hekate

(90,913 posts)
33. Trump is only that kind of elite in his dreams. Charles Pierce is right to call him a vulgarian.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

Aside from that, I agree. "Bred," my gods.

When you said High Table my mind went to Lord Peter Wimsey and Harriet Vane, among others. I think there'll always be a part of me that would like to visit that academic world -- visit, but not stay.

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
37. "Bred" can also mean "raised" or "brought up".
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/bred

For example, "born and bred" in a place means born and raised in that place. Someone who is "well-bred" has good manners. Etc.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
40. Well, that person didn't know what they were talking about.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jan 2020

Diana was of noble lineage, and her family was closely linked with royalty for generations.

appalachiablue

(41,184 posts)
46. Diana's maternal grandmother allegedly got involved to arrange the
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jan 2020

match between Diana and Charles along with the Queen Mum. Grandmother called Diana young, healthy and 'a good breeder' from what I read. She was also involved earlier in the children's custody affairs when Diana's parents divorced; Grandma took their father's side against their mother, her daughter. Nothing like 'family'!

At Christ's College, Cambridge in the mid 70s I attended the Fellows Dining Hall with a PhD student- it was cool and old Cambridge is a charming town full of life.

I wonder what Diana would think of this new step for Harry & Meghan. Diana was so modern but also took pride in the Spencer family's heritage, and her boys in the royal family. William seems more suited for royal life but for Harry this is still a big change, hopefully for the better.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
47. I hope so too, appalachiablue. nt
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:45 PM
Jan 2020


Btw, we were in Cambridge 3yrs. It was a great experience for us both, although most of my time was spent trying to corral our hyper 2-5yo son. We made friendships that still endure today.

appalachiablue

(41,184 posts)
49. I saw your post & it got me started :) You must have really
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:10 AM
Jan 2020

enjoyed it with your children and husband. What are your favorites?

In my summer semester I remember walking regularly from the college to high street, seeing the little shops and pubs (thank Gawd for 'Boots'!), punting on the River Cam, visiting King's College and nearby Ely Cathedral.

Also fun train rides through poppy fields to London, and then ferried over the Channel to Chartres and Paris. One time at a small shopping center opening in Cambridge I saw the Queen Mum. Sigh!

I've returned to London a few times (short business trips) but never made time for Cambridge-- next time!

Cheers!

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
55. Wonderful to hear!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:19 AM
Jan 2020

If I get started, i'll totally hijack the thread. I'll only say that one day hubs literally bumped into Stephen Hawking, wheelchair and all, when turning the corner at the Granta on Mill Lane.



Cheers! 🇬🇧

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

CottonBear

(21,597 posts)
27. I think that's Frogmore House and not Frogmore Cottage.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jan 2020

Both are on the Windsor grounds. Frogmore Cottage is much smaller.

lpbk2713

(42,770 posts)
28. You are correct. I will delete.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jan 2020


I did a Google image search for Frogmore Cottage and most of the results
were Frogmore House. After closer checking I found the difference.

Thanks.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. "Keep the kids away from Prince Andrew"
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:39 AM
Jan 2020


Seriously, that was a pretty good rant. I have never understood the concept of royalty and have always found it ridiculous. Not that I have anything against the current royals, but I just don't worship them. They are just people to me.

BigmanPigman

(51,646 posts)
30. Megan said that as long as tRump is POTUS she won't live here.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jan 2020

That means I already like her regardless of anything else.

On PBS Amanpour and Co. the British guests said the racial crap from the conservative tabloids in England was brutal and constant. We didn't see any of that here in the US. Harry and William had a falling out a while ago William and advised Harry not to get married to her. Also, the queen invited both to lunch at the palace before the official meeting to allow them personal time to go over some issues and William declined the offer while Harry showed up. Seems like a lot of things influenced their decision to split. I didn't know that they were as racist over there as they are here.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
42. There is a lot of racism over there and this really brought it out
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

I saw some posts on Twitter with tabloid covers side by side pointing out just how many times Meghan was harshly criticized for doing the exact same things that were described in a positive light when Kate did them. (Really innocuous stuff - leg-crossing, touching her pregnant belly, eating avocados)

kskiska

(27,048 posts)
32. I don't think it would be any better here for them
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:01 PM
Jan 2020

when you consider how the Obamas were treated by the American "Conservatives."

appalachiablue

(41,184 posts)
50. Hate to bring it up but Diana kept certain functions
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:09 AM
Jan 2020

but lost the H for 'highness' I believe. Her departure from the royals didn't go well unfortunately, only tragedy.

Here's hoping Harry, Meghan and Archie find happiness and security in North America or wherever.

Aussie105

(5,463 posts)
58. Hopefully the Canadians will adopt them as their own royalty
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:06 AM
Jan 2020

and be much more polite in their press than the pommy press ever were.

Harry grew up in the constrained, stiff upper lip lifestyle of the Royal family, so he may have some trouble adjusting to more freedom, but Meghan will shine.
As for their finances, well . . . every couple no matter how royal or common needs to sort that and it's not our problem.

PJMcK

(22,059 posts)
60. The whole royalty thing is ridiculous
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:35 AM
Jan 2020

It's a Medieval throw-back that should have no place in a modern world.

"Her Highness?!" What the hell? Somehow, Queen Elizabeth is better than everyone else because of her family tree? Nonsense.

I think Harry and Meghan are making wise decisions for their futures. They are the future.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
64. Most countries have dropped them and it is interesting
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jan 2020

the British haven't. They had done away with them in 1649, but it didn't work out, I guess.

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