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Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole familys hope that todays agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
Statement from Buckingham Palace
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.
As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties.
With The Queens blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.
The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.
Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.
This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020.
Sounds like what happened to Uncle Eddy 80 yrs ago...
hlthe2b
(102,448 posts)That's quite the break. I hope it works out for them.
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no_hypocrisy
(46,250 posts)That includes Prince Phillip and Prince Andrew.
Will Charles, Anne, and/or Edward pick up the slack?
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)I could step up, if needed.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)One of my favorites when I was growing up. He was so noble! So righteous! So pure!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Shes always pulled her weight, quietly and with dignity.
a kennedy
(29,729 posts)Harry was more like Diana anyway......good for Meghan and Harry.....screw the Royal Family. Harry is 6th in line for the throne. So good for them getting out of that line of whats supposed to be your life when a member of the royal family. I LOVE THEM ALL, HARRY, MEGHAN, & ARCHIE.
madaboutharry
(40,238 posts)Harry wants his own life. Meghan probably encouraged him by looking around her and concluding that showing up at pompous events for years on end doesnt make for a fulfilling life. I totally get it. Good for them.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)And the royal family will always embrace them as such.
Harry and Meghan and Archie will make them proud.
Brother William (soon to be King) will always love his little brother.
RandySF
(59,493 posts)ritains royal correspondents, they said, are seen as reliable sources of information. "This misconception propels coverage that is often carried by other outlets around the world, amplifying frequent misreporting," they wrote. Removing themselves from "royal rota" coverage has sparked an outcry among UK media and drew a protest from the National Union of Journalists.
This isn't a new complaint from the royal couple they just took an unprecedented step to do something about it. Harry and Meghan have said publicly that they believe they have been treated unfairly by the UK press since the moment news broke of their relationship that they are bullied, that there are racist undertones to coverage of them, and that they have been held to a different standard than Harry's brother and sister-in-law, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (aka Prince William and Kate Middleton).
The UK media outlets that currently make up the royal rota are the Daily Express, the Daily Mail, the Daily Mirror, the Evening Standard, the Telegraph, the Times, and the Sun.
Here is a look at 20 stories from these outlets that appear to show a double standard between press coverage of Meghan and Kate. BuzzFeed News has reached out to all of the outlets featured below for comment.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Was wondering about that.
shanti
(21,675 posts)They're in line to make a shitload of money from other avenues and connections.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)They want to live their lives the way they want to. Let them be.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)They have decided to step back and although they may not have handled it the best way, their family and they have come to an understanding. Really none of our business.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)and her Racist Son,Vancouver Island is one heck of a great place to relocate to.
And the Canadian Government has stepped up to the plate to provide Security for Susexes. Seems to be a ton of Jealousy running through the Royal Court.
Disaffected
(4,571 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)
although they will easily get visitors visas for entry to Canada, for purposes of becoming Permanent Residents they will be treated no differently than anyone else who wants to immigrate. And, it looks like Meghan would be the most likely to qualify (so all three could enter as a family) primarily due to her work experience - Harry apparently not so much (it's a point based merit system and you get no points for being a royal).
phylny
(8,392 posts)Disaffected
(4,571 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Canada Military in some type of role.
Disaffected
(4,571 posts)AFAIK, he has no other (non-royal) work experience.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)or it his brother.
Disaffected
(4,571 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)In Afghanistan:
In June 2011, Clarence House announced that on completion of his training conversion course to use Apache helicopters in the war arena, Harry would be available for deployment, including in current operations in Afghanistan, as an Apache helicopter pilot. The final decision rested with the Ministry of Defence's senior commanders, including principally the Chief of the Defence Staff in consultation with the wishes of Harry, the Prince of Wales, and the Queen.[53] In October, he was transferred to a US military base in California to complete his helicopter gunship training.[54] This final phase included live-fire training and "environmental and judgment training" at naval and air force facilities in California and Arizona. Most of those completing the two-month Apache training were deployed to the front lines in Afghanistan.[55] In the same month, it was reported that Harry was said to be a natural pilot who was top of his class in the extensive training he had undertaken at the Naval Air Facility, El Centro, California;[56] while training in Southern California, he spent time in San Diego.[57] In November 2011, Harry returned to England. He went to Wattisham Airfield in Suffolk, in the east of England, to complete his training to fly Apache helicopters.[58]
On 7 September 2012, Harry arrived at Camp Bastion in southern Afghanistan as part of the 100-strong 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment, Army Air Corps,[59] to begin a four-month combat tour as a co-pilot and gunner for an Apache helicopter.[60] On 10 September, within days of arriving in Afghanistan, it was reported that the Taliban had threatened his life. Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid spoke to Reuters and was quoted as saying: "We are using all our strength to get rid of him, either by killing or kidnapping." He added, "We have informed our commanders in Helmand to do whatever they can to eliminate him."[61]
On 21 January 2013, it was announced that Harry was returning from a 20-week deployment in Afghanistan,[62] where he served as an Apache co-pilot/gunner. On 8 July 2013, the Ministry of Defence announced that Harry had successfully qualified as an Apache aircraft commander.[63] Harry compared operating the Apache's weapons systems in Afghanistan to playing video games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Harry,_Duke_of_Sussex#Army_Air_Corps_and_second_deployment_to_Afghanistan
Sgent
(5,857 posts)within 3 years to be eligible for fast track access.
Worst case scenario they could invest $1m in a recycling business in British Colombia, which would get them a Provincial Nomination which almost guarantees visa eligibility.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Hekate
(90,913 posts)...for her affair with the playboy prince. They both were Nazi sympathizers, so I'm left without a whole lot of sympathy for their plight.
Marriage in the royal family (any Royal family on earth, actually) has always been complicated -- but at least inconvenient wives and mistresses no longer lose their heads or are exiled to a tower someplace.
As far as I can tell as an extremely casual observer, Queen Elizabeth II seems to have learned a harsh lesson from the whole Princess Diana episode. One thing: her son Prince Charles may be the last one ever forced to not marry the woman he was in love with all along, that is, Camilla.
Apparently she was considered unsuitable in some respects, and there is (or used to be) some Royal College or other that would check out people's lineage and whatnot. It's how things were done, and wasn't really Liz's doing.
So Camilla gave up and married someone else, and Charles just didn't get married until the pressure to produce heirs got too great, at which point he picked the very young and naive Diana. Diana had all the qualifications, even if her mother had run away to Argentina with the groom.
Fast forward, notice that Diana's son William (the direct heir) married a commoner, the daughter of successful people who made their own money, and no one said boo. And Harry (6th in line) also married a commoner, a divorced American actress of mixed race -- and they all just smiled and lined up for the family portraits.
The real problem seems to have been the tabloids and how they have always triggered Harry. Of course the tabloids hurt Meghan, and to be sure marrying into a family like that would be hard for anyone used to having her own life -- but I really think Harry wanted out. Just think if he had married a suitable British girl: she'd be unlikely to agree to leave the family and the country, wouldn't she?
JMHO
milestogo
(16,829 posts)so he married a girl 10 years younger who he had nothing in common with.
That's the first rule they had to get rid of.
Hekate
(90,913 posts)There was really quite an age gap.
maryellen99
(3,790 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)He was essentially her first boyfriend.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Demovictory9
(32,487 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)Even the notion of royalty is antithetical to our beliefs and concepts of what our country should be.
And our Democratic Party most highly represents those beliefs.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Personal story: First let me share that my hubby and I are polar opposites in many ways. So, on with the story...Hubs was a "Visiting Fellow" of Churchill College, Cambridge, back in the late '80, early '90. That position gave him privileges at the College, one of which was attending "High Table" and the following cocktail gatherings. I could tag along if I liked. So, it was at one of these gatherings that the subject of Prince Charles and Diana's divorce came up. I heard something that shocked me: a pompous asshole declare, "Well, you know, Diana wasn't bred for royalty." "BRED"!! I thought, my gawd, what was she, cattle?? How the F is one "bred" for royalty? I am most hostile to that kind of thinking - it stinks of tRumpism, elitism.
Hekate
(90,913 posts)Aside from that, I agree. "Bred," my gods.
When you said High Table my mind went to Lord Peter Wimsey and Harriet Vane, among others. I think there'll always be a part of me that would like to visit that academic world -- visit, but not stay.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)For example, "born and bred" in a place means born and raised in that place. Someone who is "well-bred" has good manners. Etc.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Diana was of noble lineage, and her family was closely linked with royalty for generations.
appalachiablue
(41,184 posts)match between Diana and Charles along with the Queen Mum. Grandmother called Diana young, healthy and 'a good breeder' from what I read. She was also involved earlier in the children's custody affairs when Diana's parents divorced; Grandma took their father's side against their mother, her daughter. Nothing like 'family'!
At Christ's College, Cambridge in the mid 70s I attended the Fellows Dining Hall with a PhD student- it was cool and old Cambridge is a charming town full of life.
I wonder what Diana would think of this new step for Harry & Meghan. Diana was so modern but also took pride in the Spencer family's heritage, and her boys in the royal family. William seems more suited for royal life but for Harry this is still a big change, hopefully for the better.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Btw, we were in Cambridge 3yrs. It was a great experience for us both, although most of my time was spent trying to corral our hyper 2-5yo son. We made friendships that still endure today.
appalachiablue
(41,184 posts)enjoyed it with your children and husband. What are your favorites?
In my summer semester I remember walking regularly from the college to high street, seeing the little shops and pubs (thank Gawd for 'Boots'!), punting on the River Cam, visiting King's College and nearby Ely Cathedral.
Also fun train rides through poppy fields to London, and then ferried over the Channel to Chartres and Paris. One time at a small shopping center opening in Cambridge I saw the Queen Mum. Sigh!
I've returned to London a few times (short business trips) but never made time for Cambridge-- next time!
Cheers!
Duppers
(28,127 posts)If I get started, i'll totally hijack the thread. I'll only say that one day hubs literally bumped into Stephen Hawking, wheelchair and all, when turning the corner at the Granta on Mill Lane.
Cheers! 🇬🇧
appalachiablue
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CottonBear
(21,597 posts)Both are on the Windsor grounds. Frogmore Cottage is much smaller.
lpbk2713
(42,770 posts)I did a Google image search for Frogmore Cottage and most of the results
were Frogmore House. After closer checking I found the difference.
Thanks.
CottonBear
(21,597 posts)jalan48
(13,905 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Seriously, that was a pretty good rant. I have never understood the concept of royalty and have always found it ridiculous. Not that I have anything against the current royals, but I just don't worship them. They are just people to me.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,646 posts)That means I already like her regardless of anything else.
On PBS Amanpour and Co. the British guests said the racial crap from the conservative tabloids in England was brutal and constant. We didn't see any of that here in the US. Harry and William had a falling out a while ago William and advised Harry not to get married to her. Also, the queen invited both to lunch at the palace before the official meeting to allow them personal time to go over some issues and William declined the offer while Harry showed up. Seems like a lot of things influenced their decision to split. I didn't know that they were as racist over there as they are here.
3catwoman3
(24,079 posts)Any Canadian DUers want to adopt me, my husband, and our 3 cats?
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)I saw some posts on Twitter with tabloid covers side by side pointing out just how many times Meghan was harshly criticized for doing the exact same things that were described in a positive light when Kate did them. (Really innocuous stuff - leg-crossing, touching her pregnant belly, eating avocados)
kskiska
(27,048 posts)when you consider how the Obamas were treated by the American "Conservatives."
iloveObama12
(421 posts)How did this happen?
Skittles
(153,243 posts)that is how
lindysalsagal
(20,769 posts)Sometimes I wonder if she remembers that.
appalachiablue
(41,184 posts)but lost the H for 'highness' I believe. Her departure from the royals didn't go well unfortunately, only tragedy.
Here's hoping Harry, Meghan and Archie find happiness and security in North America or wherever.
Skittles
(153,243 posts)shows they're pretty much flipping her off
ZWQ
(4 posts)Royalties don´t belong in 2020 anyway.
MontanaMama
(23,364 posts)with Meghan and Harry than ever after this. I wish them well.
Aussie105
(5,463 posts)and be much more polite in their press than the pommy press ever were.
Harry grew up in the constrained, stiff upper lip lifestyle of the Royal family, so he may have some trouble adjusting to more freedom, but Meghan will shine.
As for their finances, well . . . every couple no matter how royal or common needs to sort that and it's not our problem.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Go for it and be happy!
PJMcK
(22,059 posts)It's a Medieval throw-back that should have no place in a modern world.
"Her Highness?!" What the hell? Somehow, Queen Elizabeth is better than everyone else because of her family tree? Nonsense.
I think Harry and Meghan are making wise decisions for their futures. They are the future.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the British haven't. They had done away with them in 1649, but it didn't work out, I guess.