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The Polack MSgt

(13,200 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:01 PM Jan 2020

I work as a contractor for the DoD

And I occasionally travel overseas in the course of my job.

When I travel to some, let's call them problematic areas, I need to out process as if I was deploying.

That includes the need to take some refresher training courses prior to departure.

I retired a LONG time ago, and I am about as far from a low drag high speed operator as you're likely to find in theater. But I still need to check the boxes.

Anyway, I was doing the SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) training and the post capture section included a "Resisting Indoctrination" portion

This information feels like something we need to keep in mind in everyday America now.

First, recognize the attempts to indoctrinate you and which propaganda type you are dealing with - Ideological, Political or Religious fanatics differ in focus but share several traits:

-Only they possess the truth
-Will NOT tolerate opposing views
-No matter the subject of the discussion they will introduce THEIR values and judgement into the conversation.
-Attempt to force you to adopt or at least to concede the validity of their distorted out look


Look out for the use of one or more of the following methods of indoctrination:

-Music and dramatic recordings
-Posters video clips and films
-One sided media
-Lies half truths and incomplete information


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I work as a contractor for the DoD (Original Post) The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 OP
Good for you, for the important work you're doing! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2020 #1
Throughout the course one phrase was repeated The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #6
Gee, that sounds just like grumpyduck Jan 2020 #2
read john dean's 'conservative without conscience' mopinko Jan 2020 #3
Great read. Dean nails the conservative mindset and backs it up with data. Pepsidog Jan 2020 #23
Take care of yourself when you are in these problematic areas. brer cat Jan 2020 #4
Important points to keep in mind! 2naSalit Jan 2020 #5
Poor Poor Fox Viewers MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #7
The big media advertisers now call the shots. Dustlawyer Jan 2020 #8
I remember all the Lockheed Martin ads during the run up to the Iraq invasion MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #17
It's not just Fox ArcticFox Jan 2020 #9
Read my last sentence again MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #16
Read your post at a stoplight ArcticFox Jan 2020 #18
Great so we all now need SERE training to survive this hostile takeover of our Republic. usaf-vet Jan 2020 #10
We've always needed it Nasruddin Jan 2020 #11
Wish I could rec replies The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #12
For me and my dad and his dad it was always honoring the oath we each took on enlistment. usaf-vet Jan 2020 #32
Well, I am a lineman for the county TlalocW Jan 2020 #13
Great fucking song The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #15
TY. Just a civilian here, but I remember the gut-punched feeling when I realized what was going on Hekate Jan 2020 #14
Excellent post cp Jan 2020 #19
Should requred course before high school graduation... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #20
Thank you Polack MSgt for the great advice, and stay safe. alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #21
I may trip on my way to the shower trailer, so I will be careful The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #27
Regardless, stuff can happen in the most unexpected of places. alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #28
You're the man, Sarge! marble falls Jan 2020 #22
You're right -- the tactics are as old as the hills. No doubt Cyrus the Great had his Goebbels. n/t MrModerate Jan 2020 #24
You just described the GOPee's entire media strategy sandensea Jan 2020 #25
Seems to fit the Middle East, the impeachment trial, tariffs, and current political campaigns. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #26
Bookmarked. MFGsunny Jan 2020 #29
This whole country needs a Resisting Indoctrination class! Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #30
+++ The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #38
you'e describing team limbaugh, and they've been doing it for 30 years to a captive audience certainot Jan 2020 #31
Thank you for this important read! Karadeniz Jan 2020 #33
Great Post! delisen Jan 2020 #34
Great post! burrowowl Jan 2020 #35
Every time I go into a restaurant and the television... Trueblue Texan Jan 2020 #36
Sounds like Fox News BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #37
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2020 #39
K&R UTUSN Jan 2020 #40

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,739 posts)
1. Good for you, for the important work you're doing!
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jan 2020

And thank you for the information you provided.

These tell us how our government is talking to us.

Only by being aware can we stop them from harming us and our country in ways that would be difficult to change.

The Polack MSgt

(13,200 posts)
6. Throughout the course one phrase was repeated
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jan 2020

easily a dozen times.

"Your unit and the US Government will keep faith with you, care for your family and make every effort to recover you"

I kept thinking -THIS US GOVERNMENT?. But of course they mean the DoD and I have faith that the Armed Forces will do exactly that.

I wouldn't bet a mud clod against a gold nugget that the Trumpistas even know what keeping the faith means, but the military - for all its flaws - They know what that means

grumpyduck

(6,275 posts)
2. Gee, that sounds just like
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:07 PM
Jan 2020

oh, never mind. Nah, it's all in my imagination.

But seriously, I wonder if there's even been a study done as to what type of people fall for indoctrination and what kind doesn't: economic status, IQ, religion, whatever. Might be an interesting read considering who supports the current farce.

mopinko

(70,272 posts)
3. read john dean's 'conservative without conscience'
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jan 2020

the answer is yes. there was massive psyche research after ww2 into how the german people went along.
and the research that ca misused was into how people were being radicalized online by both the modern kkk and isis.
they took that research, and turned it on it's head, and here we all are in the grip of vanilla isis.

MagickMuffin

(15,963 posts)
7. Poor Poor Fox Viewers
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jan 2020

This is what they are up against. But hey, they can't help it. They have been indoctrinated, manipulated, lied to and yet they can't recognize the threat.

Poor Poor Fox Viewers.

However, Fox isn't the only media outlet doing this. They ALL do it. ALL THE TIME

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
8. The big media advertisers now call the shots.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jan 2020

They leverage their ad dollars to control the media. I watched BP do this very effectively during the BP oil spill litigation.

The two root causes of most of our country’s problems stem from our media propaganda and campaign donations (bribes).

MagickMuffin

(15,963 posts)
17. I remember all the Lockheed Martin ads during the run up to the Iraq invasion
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:08 PM
Jan 2020

Now who here among us can purchase a fighter jet. I know I can't.

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
9. It's not just Fox
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Fox is just the most obvious. But other media behemoths are propaganda machines too.

You need to consider who owns them. And then you will see how careful we need to be about what we believe.

usaf-vet

(6,221 posts)
10. Great so we all now need SERE training to survive this hostile takeover of our Republic.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jan 2020

His points are well taken.

This information feels like something we need to keep in mind in everyday America now.

First, recognize the attempts to indoctrinate you and which propaganda type you are dealing with - Ideological, Political or Religious fanatics differ in focus but share several traits:

-Only they possess the truth
-Will NOT tolerate opposing views
-No matter the subject of the discussion they will introduce THEIR values and judgment into the conversation.
-Attempt to force you to adopt or at least to concede the validity of their distorted outlook

Look out for the use of one or more of the following methods of indoctrination:

-Music and dramatic recordings
-Posters video clips and films
-One-sided media
-Lies half-truths and incomplete information

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
11. We've always needed it
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

Everywhere, all the time

The US has a long & virtually complete history of waves of cults, millenialists, conspiracy theorists, red scares, yellow scares, immigrant myths, pseudo science, medical fads, & other nonsense. Pick any random year, I'll bet you'll find something floating to the surface in the press or other accounts.

usaf-vet

(6,221 posts)
32. For me and my dad and his dad it was always honoring the oath we each took on enlistment.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jan 2020

I learned it from my dad with his actions. The way he continued to honor any oath I knew he had taken. His marriage vows and his military enlistment AND discharge oath. Let me explain his discharge oath.

When we kids would ask him what he did in WW II he said he was a radio operator. Period. Years later when I had been discharged from the USAF we were talking and he asked me what a typical day was like as a medic. I told him then said how about your day as a radio operator. He said well I only told you part of the story because I had to swear an oath that I would not tell the full story. Turns out he was a radio operator in Naval Intelligence work in a program the was using top-secret technology to locate German submarines in the South Atlantic. When the allies were fighting in North Africa the Germans sent U-boats to intercept and sink supply ships and troopships. The intercept coded messages were sent by the U-boats using enigma encryption.
They didn't want the Germans to know they had broken the code. His job was intercepting the raw code and passing it on to codebreakers in the UK.


The British broke the code at Bletchley Park | Home of the Codebreakers http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/


The movie is here:


My dad had no problem honoring his oath for 25+ years. Can the Senators honor their oaths one of which is barely 24 hours old?
?


TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
13. Well, I am a lineman for the county
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:51 PM
Jan 2020

And have nothing like this t share but

I drive the main road
Searchin' in the sun for another overload
I hear you singin' in the wire,
I can hear you through the whine
And the Wichita lineman is still on the line

TlalocW

Hekate

(90,878 posts)
14. TY. Just a civilian here, but I remember the gut-punched feeling when I realized what was going on
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jan 2020

...during the runup to BushCheney's invasion of Iraq.

All the major news stations went for it in a ratings frenzy -- there were special graphics, special words and phrases, even special theme music for every intro and "breaking news" announcement.

My feelings were confirmed by a lot of people I knew then, some of whom have now passed on of extreme old age. Some were Holocaust survivors, some had been in Dutch Indonesia when the Japanese invaded, some were from various countries in Western Europe. What was going on in the US in 2001 was triggering memories of experiences 60 to 70 years prior.

Your words are quite timely.



The Polack MSgt

(13,200 posts)
27. I may trip on my way to the shower trailer, so I will be careful
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jan 2020

But I'm not trying to lie or puff myself up about this - I am in the rear with the gear - Believe me

sandensea

(21,692 posts)
25. You just described the GOPee's entire media strategy
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jan 2020

Roger Ailes was no fool, in that he knew that most Republicans are.

keithbvadu2

(36,964 posts)
26. Seems to fit the Middle East, the impeachment trial, tariffs, and current political campaigns.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jan 2020

Seems to fit the Middle East, the impeachment trial, tariffs, and current political campaigns.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
31. you'e describing team limbaugh, and they've been doing it for 30 years to a captive audience
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jan 2020

in 40 states with 80 senators those rw radio stations are the only free easy alternatives for pollitics while driving, working, doing chores

Trueblue Texan

(2,447 posts)
36. Every time I go into a restaurant and the television...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:26 AM
Jan 2020

...is set to Fox News, I think about this concept. I don't go back to those restaurants and I leave when I realize what's on their television.

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