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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI find it endlessly amusing that the "Militias" that show up at 2nd Amendment rallies
think they can take on a "tyrannical" government.
Do they not realize that the National Guard or even the local police have something they don't, something they have no defense or counter to? That being C&C, command and control? Without C&C they're not a militia but just a bunch of wannabes running around the woods with guns?
Do they not know that when they launch their "rebellion" the concept of posse comatatus goes out the window so they get to go up against the full force of the military industrial complex, a complex with the most advanced toys designed to deal with real threats?
Do they not know that a drone five miles away at 30,000 feet can find a cellphone and place a Hellfire missile within 30 feet of it at 1.3 times the speed of sound? Even if the phone isn't being used at the time? And if the 70 foot casualty radius of a Hellfire isn't enough a Blackhawk launched Paveway extends the casualty radius (50% dead, 50% injured) to 300 feet?
Do they not realize that the only effective resistance to the government is their VOTE? And when more of the citizens vote to challenge their supposed 2nd Amendment rights "their resistance is futile"?
grumpyduck
(6,272 posts)Initech
(100,108 posts)Nor have they ever really seen a truly tyrannical government. We have safeguards in place to prevent that from happening. At least I'd like to think so.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)not sure how they can't see that what they are driving does not end well for any of us ...
Initech
(100,108 posts)If that doesn't say "tyranny" then what does?
children playing games ... Would care less if it was not 1/3 of the country driving us over a cliff.
Initech
(100,108 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)If he and his company own that monster, that looks like it represents a significant chunk of change there. It seems that having a big audience of paranoid, easy to convince followers who don't investigate or analyze the information he slings is a very lucrative business now. He sells woo stuff, (I am not anti-alternative) on his site and show which is a good venue since he works the audience up like a TV preacher and the products are like passing the collection plate.
Jones' rabble rousing does little to "spread the truth" or even bring about any positive change for the rest of us, (I have observed him since the 10s. When he first started out, it was just interesting, alternative ideas. Now, it is a will to power that I don't even think he can control, because, like Trump, he has been playing a character that demands its due. His success, to me, over the last twenty-years or so, has brought out the worst in him and the will to power seems to be irresistible now.
It is also interesting how the Truther Industrial Complex has become a big money maker, (well, with manipulation of news now as manipulation of the audience, of course) when it was just some very odd and interesting, (maybe potential) information outside of the mainstream.
Jones is right up there with Coulter, Maher, Limbough, Trump, and the rest, who are good at wearing a finely crafted facade that is designed to keep them relevant and manipulate the beholders of The Spectacle. It's an acting career with sinister implications. I think there should be an award show for those types, but then, that would be telling.
Marcuse
(7,530 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I guess being in a somewhat armored vehicle is probably the only way to go at this point.
aggiesal
(8,938 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)A lot of them are small business owners and employees thereof who are sympathetic to the small biz owner.
They think things like paying taxes, minimum wage laws, req's to insure employees, pay into SS and Medicare, protect the environment, and just generally participate in society, forced upon them by 'big government regulations' ... is 'tyranny'.
They're idiots, IOW.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Liberalhammer
(576 posts)Your 2 handguns of the month club revoked!
Initech
(100,108 posts)The magazine stand literally had like 15 different magazines that were gun related and even a magazine about doomsday prepping thrown for good measure. One of them was a magazine called "Combat Handguns" that had an article on "the dangers of red flag laws". Like really? And I wonder how many people who think that are going to see actual combat?
I really want to know how super far right gun nuts think and operate. Because I think understanding them is the key to beating them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)kick their teeth in with no fear of being brought to justice for harming them, and then having their guns and other stuff taken.
They just live in a democracy where the majority of voters want safeguards that the knuckleheads resent.
JHB
(37,163 posts)..."government is infringing on my prerogative to be a tyrant."
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)coffee the next morning. That is how dumb ANYONE that supports civil war is.
In video, I saw one guy holding a highend coffee and another drinking a Snapple. It was surreal to watch that.
Initech
(100,108 posts)In reality these gun nuts have about as much of a chance of starting an actual war as Cartman does.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Martin Luther King holiday, or work for companies that do. That may explain the preponderance of face coverings.
You're right, when stripped of their guns, they are cowards. When someone sent me off to search for her poopypants video, I saw a clip where gun girl bragged that a woman threatened to slap her until she pointed out that she went everywhere with an assault rifle. That is their level of thinking, a willingness to use deadly force to respond to an insult.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)They playing toy soldier early on, now it is about them dropping thousand of dollars to look good and pay for their toys.
As noted, command structure, but chain guns, black hawk helicopters, tanks, drones ...
But, this is all about intimidation ...
sarge43
(28,946 posts)"Say hello to our little friend."
If you can quit at anytime, you are not in a 'miltia'; you're just punks cosplaying.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)There is a lot of stuff that would no only ruin their day, but kill them. That is the reason why anyone that thinks a modern America civil war is winnable is an idiot.
Archae
(46,359 posts)"Red Dawn" or the "Rambo" movies.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)is definitely what they fantasize about - the Commies took over and then started grabbing guns and putting the unarmed civilians in cages as soon as they got into town. Then, a bunch of teenagers and Patrick Swayze managed to stymy the mighty Soviet war machine that had overrun half of the country already.
kimbutgar
(21,224 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, I think most of the Wolverines ended up dying and it gives a vague ending with a plaque on a rock near where they hid out saying how they gave their lives in WW 3
Locrian
(4,522 posts)but yeah it wasn't a happy ending for most of them
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Aristus
(66,478 posts)"I'm Alpha-Strong-Macho-Supreme Leader! I called it!"
"Nuh-UH! I'M Alpha-Strong-Macho-Supreme Leader! I painted it on my AK!"
"Bullshit! I have the better moustache!"
"At least I don't live in my Mom's basement!"
I think we can take them...
randr
(12,417 posts)to be a party to the tyranny
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)So checkmate, libtards!
kimbutgar
(21,224 posts)Plus they will be doxed like those in Charlottesville who ended up losing their jobs.
Nothing good comes from being a hated filled gun humper.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)malthaussen
(17,217 posts)... don't show up at "gun rallies."
In the event of a total breakdown of social order, there will be a few very dangerous (and slightly crazy) follks who will do a good bit of damage, but most of these boys playing war will run home and bleat for Momma. However, if the breakdown should last long enough, the real hard ones will emerge, and then there will be barbarism on a scale Attila would be proud of.
-- Mal
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)If the fed govt really wants your guns they will shell your home and pick them from the rubble.
ooky
(8,930 posts)They are a bunch of full grown children playing "army" in their fatigues and with their guns, consistent with the mentality of 7-9 year olds playing with plastic toys, posing for and taking pictures of each other in their military attire, and posting them on facebook, parroting false NRA talking points and other right wing drivel. They look silly. When I see one I find myself thinking that you could not find a more ignorant, stupid, immature, self centered individual than the morons that engage in this kind of social behavior.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,490 posts)They play-act Wyatt Earp but they're really Walter Mitties, fantasizing about their "big guns" singlehandedly defeating their fantasy oppressors and "owning the libs."
ooky
(8,930 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)It seems that the capacity to not think things through, even in the slightest, is not there for some. This is similar to being inebriated to the degree that one acts on impulse alone and in a fog of war.
Oh, I know there are infinite variables and many potential outcomes from prognostication and forethought, but without that, it is like throwing darts without having a target. You can put an eye out.
There are many occasions where we don't think things through and many tend to suspend that faculty. In the case of your OP subject, that seems to be the case. Perhaps, in an ordinary sense, that is a sort of a conceptual fulcrum between order and chaos, relatively speaking.
I agree with the points you made and have similar thoughts about the brouhaha of promiscuous gun toters and their projection of fear and anger towards their fellow Americans. In most cases, they are projecting an apocalyptic world that exists only in their minds and circles. When apocalypse is now, it will be self-evident.
RandiFan1290
(6,256 posts)to get their weapons.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This hysteria about these numbnut morons is just silly.
RandiFan1290
(6,256 posts)Yavin4
(35,450 posts)I thought that you were going to say physical fitness.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)Paladin
(28,277 posts)Kind of renders their "the 2nd Amendment isn't about deer hunting, it's about taking up arms against dangerous overreaching tyrannical governments" rants pretty hollow.
needledriver
(836 posts)Look up what that means then ask yourself why we have been in Afghanistan so long even though we have all the command and control and drones and stuff.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)That's a good one.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Just like the beer-swilling yahoos in that Munich beer hall in 1923.
So dismiss them at your peril.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Nature Man
(869 posts)who jerk off to pictures of trump while listening to Lee Greenwood.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-base-fbi-arrest-alleged-white-supremacists-puts-focus-extremist-n1117981
2 of these guys were cavalry scouts in the US Army and one was a combat engineer in the Canadian Reserve.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)samir.g
(835 posts)We need to know who all these nutbags are.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)See? I said something positive!
TlalocW
(15,392 posts)But it mainly consists of bubbas who could stand to lose a few who go drink in the woods, shoot their empties, and daydream about a coming race war that they'll stay out of unless their side wins, then they'll come out and ride the coattails of the victors once the shooting is more or less all over with.
Not saying these guys are in any white supremacist groups (also not not saying it), but I have a feeling if shit ever got real like they probably want it to, they're going to hope the other guy covers for them.
TlalocW
Maxheader
(4,374 posts)The whole worthless lot of em...
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)You just single handedly made their case for them.
WVJoe
(16 posts)Anwar al-Awlaki, was assassinated in Yemen via drone strike, apparently on purpose.
To think the gov would turn on its citizens on US soil using drones, tanks, and such seems pretty unlikely.
marble falls
(57,355 posts)He came beck to the US after leaving when he was 11, to get his degrees and he claimed he was not a US citizen and was here on a student visa.
What do you think of Trump ordering the commando raid in Yemen that killed al-Awlaki's 8 year old daughter?
dustyscamp
(2,228 posts)All the branches of the military have at least a few hundred Magats and RWNJ sympathizers serving in them. If things get serious and a civil war really does happen these guys could go rogue and do some serious damage to civilians and other military personnel.
marble falls
(57,355 posts)dustyscamp
(2,228 posts)Yeah, I hope it will never happen too.
marble falls
(57,355 posts)crap will only get them bounced sooner.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is no right for us to fight back against the likes of them taking over? Maybe we think they would be the tyranny.
moondust
(20,017 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,725 posts)Their second amendment reason for having guns is outdated and useless. So, the one thing they can do with their guns is kill innocent civilians. The other is to defend their homes against criminals, as most law enforcement officers are right wingers anyway, and arent effective in doing their duties to defend them.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Their hypocrisy would be more stunning if it weren't for their enormous racism and stupidity.
grumpyduck
(6,272 posts)my take is that if these bozos went postal and were up against
the National Guard, they would last about half an hour before they dropped their guns and vanished, and most of it would be posturing;
the regular Army, probably about the same;
the Marines, maybe fifteen minutes.
Now you get a couple of Cobras flying overhead at the start of the encounter, I would say that most of them would need a change of underwear.
IMHO, they're doing all this to show off, but hoping they never get put on the spot.
Sadly, and I really hate to say this, but, from what I've seen over the years, my feeling is that more people would get hurt if SWAT teams got involved.
brettdale
(12,385 posts)Perfect post.
Skittles
(153,226 posts)THEY ARE STUPID.
Mike Niendorff
(3,463 posts)First question:
Ok, so your day finally arrives, and it's time for the gun nuts to take up arms against the American government. SO: who gets the first bullet? An American soldier? An American cop? Or just an American citizen who disagrees with you? Spell it out. Because all us non-gun-nut Americans would like to know.
Second question:
Since you are defining yourselves as a "militia", what does the Constitution mean when it **literally states** that the militia is to be "well regulated"? As in: verbatim. Again, spell it out for us non-gun-nut Americans.
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guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)With lethal weapons.