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After the trial deliberations today - up to now - I don't know how the Repug Senators can not vote to remove Trump from office.
The Dems are laying out the facts very concisely and the facts are damming.
It will be very hard for the Repug Senators to come up with any kind of excuse to acquit Trump without looking foolish, partisan and being involved with a cover-up.
In my opinion - they are screwed.
And I don't see any sign that Trump's defense team will be able to turn things around otherwise.
PJMcK
(22,056 posts)Republicans always come up with an excuse or an "explanation."
They are lying, cheating un-American traitors if they let Trump skate.
Ponietz
(3,043 posts)when Pence pardons him.
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)New York could still get him.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)nolabear
(41,999 posts)The Democrats are killing it. Presenting evidence in the defense of the amendment is brilliant.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Hold our vodkas.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,156 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)They'll say "I don't care" and vote for acquittal.
global1
(25,285 posts)impression - and the polls taken during and after this trial show that this is what the Public is hearing and feeling - the Repugs are going to really be backed into a corner.
If they don't vote to remove Trump - they will suffer greatly in November.
This is the Dems ticket to taking back the Senate in November regardless of the outcome of this trial.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)either acting in good faith or having a sense of shame.
The compelling nature of the Democrat's undrebutted evidence of Trump's guilt counts for nothing in their view. They are not there to try Trump; they are there to "totally exonerate" him while slandering as many Democrats as they can.
soldierant
(6,938 posts)The only sense they have is a sense of self-preservation. That, I think, they do have.
If enough of them can grasp that "If you don't destroy Trump*, he will destroy you," them and only then do we have a chance. But they have been living in a fantasy world for so long, and the voices of the MAGAts in that world are so loud, it's far from a given.
dhill926
(16,373 posts)they are soulless fucks...
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Are you also predicting that the Detroit Lions are going to win the Super Bowl?
AJT
(5,240 posts)They have no idea what is happening.
global1
(25,285 posts)Is Fox airing the trial as it is being conducted or are they editing it and making comments while the trial goes on in the background?
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)News? Ain't nuttin' happening today.
northoftheborder
(7,575 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)The republicans have their minds made up and nothing the Dems can say and Trump's defense DOESN'T say will make a difference.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)global1
(25,285 posts)lastlib
(23,323 posts)but also the judgment of history. And history will NOT be kind to them.
They have a stark choice--they can choose the right side of infamy, or they can be BURIED by it.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)meow2u3
(24,774 posts)Repukes are either involved in Trump's criminal machinations or they've been bullied into submission. In other words, they're either accomplices or accessories after the fact.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)anything they do. It just doesn't matter, and the show must go on. Whatever excuses they come up with, you can bet you'll be hearing them being parroted all over cable 'news' shows. Perception rules.
Liberalhammer
(576 posts)There entire purpose is to. Destroy the federal government.
0rganism
(23,975 posts)then, later in the evening, people tune in to Fox News for their summary and get all the ridiculous highlights from their favorite cons taken seriously.
not everyone will do this.
many won't tune back in at all. for them, Russian trollbots will make up the difference.
many won't tune to Fox for their summary. that just self-segments them as people the regime doesn't care about anyway.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)There are no principles in the republican party.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Karadeniz
(22,587 posts)Steakhouse and vowed to never, not once, allow the democratically elected president to succeed on any measure that we, the people, had elected him for. They spit on Obama, the millions who'd voted for him, majority rule...anything connected to principles of fairness, they spit on it. Then McConnell said his job 1 was to make Obama a one-term president...not legislate, but obstruct. We're not talking about politicians with a full tank of integrity.
budkin
(6,722 posts)They will end up losing the Senate over this.
Skittles
(153,226 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)We (Republicans) don't need no damned excuses....we've got 53 votes.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)Guaranteed.
we have to come to grips that 35% of America WANTS us GONE and will accept the help of the Russians or Saudis to remove or kill us.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,156 posts)Liars and oath breakers all. So long as they get money from their equally horrid corporate benefactors and the F'nNRA, why worry?
vlyons
(10,252 posts)They care only about money and power. To them, we are little people, who don't matter. We get in the way of them maximizing corporate profits, harvesting the natural resources, and interferring with their big plans to get even more money and power. Everyone of them needs to be sent straight to Hell to spend eternity sitting in a vat of boiling lead.
moondust
(20,017 posts)a year or two from now some former or current Republican Senator(s) come clean and confess that it was all a cover-up and they all knew it and conspired to obstruct justice. Is there any legal remedy for that kind of past wrongdoing? Lying under oath? Conspiracy? Something else? Statute of limitations?
Lawyers?
calimary
(81,527 posts)to be brought in. At least not this soon. That said, Id bet they wont revisit it later. Therell be no later.
patphil
(6,230 posts)Republicans have looked foolish, partisan, and like they were involved in a coverup for quite some time now.
Why would they change just because Trump is guilty?
Hey, we're talking about Republican Senators here...McConnell, Thune, Barraso, Blunt, Ernst, Cotton, Graham, Collins, Cruz, Kennedy, Purdue, Roberts, Scott...and the rest of this team of liars, cheats, and grifters.
When have these guys ever stood up for truth and justice?
They set the bar so low a worm can't wiggle under it.
I will say one thing, either they are screwed or we are.
I much prefer it to be them.
Patrick Phillips
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)I hope you're right and enough level-headed people realize what is going on and vote to kick GOP scum out of DC in November.
kacekwl
(7,024 posts)The whole group is great.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)All they care about it lining their pockets and not having their closeted skeletons exposed.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)That's what moves the Trump Party. Whatever keeps them in power is what they'll do.
McConnell is reading the tea leaves, while Trumpers are getting angry phone calls. But Trumpy is pulling all of the strings.
You're right that the Dems are making great arguments for witnesses, docs, and due process. But your understanding is a rational one. And that's the problem with your analysis. The Trump party makes no attempt at rational arguments. It's all emotional for them. Its point to "failure" of the Dems to produce all of the evidence (straw man), the "failure" of Dems to wrestle witnesses from Trump's grasp (this is the Dems' fault?), etc. It's every possible version of "own the libs" that they can muster. Owning the libs is what motivates Trumpers. Hate and disgust at Dems are their bread and butter. Nothing else matters. Sure, the Dems make eloquent and convincing arguments, but Trumpers aren't listening. They're on another planet.
Trumpers are so whipped up into such a frenzy that they're willing, no, enthusiastic, about warring with the Dems that they are willing to walk all of us into a Dictatorship. That's where we're heading with an acquittal.
This whole affair won't end well. And when we reach the sordid end, it will get worse.
I know this sounds like doom and gloom, and I seriously would love to be wrong, but I don't see a "unique event" that will turn the worm. Trump has already accumulated way too much power, and an acquittal will give him everything. No censuring, no further impeachments, no laws with attempted veto overrides will change that. Trump will be immune from accountability. And he's nuts. So he'll run rampant over the laws and norms while his party kisses his ass. If he's predictable at all, it's in his inflated view of himself and his terrible judgements when he thinks he's on top of the world, or when he goes into rages against his perceived mortal enemies. We're screwed. All of us, except the very wealthy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I dont.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Its not going to convince 67 senators. This is the TV drama tRump wants and is getting. When he wins (and he will) he will be the anointed leader as will his descendants.