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global1

(25,285 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:00 PM Jan 2020

I'm Gonna Say It.....

After the trial deliberations today - up to now - I don't know how the Repug Senators can not vote to remove Trump from office.

The Dems are laying out the facts very concisely and the facts are damming.

It will be very hard for the Repug Senators to come up with any kind of excuse to acquit Trump without looking foolish, partisan and being involved with a cover-up.

In my opinion - they are screwed.

And I don't see any sign that Trump's defense team will be able to turn things around otherwise.

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I'm Gonna Say It..... (Original Post) global1 Jan 2020 OP
Politics, baby! PJMcK Jan 2020 #1
Unless the house goes after Pence, too, he'll skate either way Ponietz Jan 2020 #27
Pence wouldn't be able to pardon state crimes dflprincess Jan 2020 #35
Ford's pardon of Nixon was not widely loved. Cost him the 76 election, that & Whip Inflation Now. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #36
They certainly will have to face having nothing but bias. nolabear Jan 2020 #2
Russiapublicans to you: awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #3
priceless! SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2020 #29
Oh, it's easy for them. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #4
If The American People Listening To The Trial Today All Come Away With This Same..... global1 Jan 2020 #5
Let's not make the common mistake of giving the Republican senators credit for Atticus Jan 2020 #6
No, they have no sense of shame, you are correct. soldierant Jan 2020 #20
Sadly, true... dhill926 Jan 2020 #30
What? SCantiGOP Jan 2020 #7
The people who vote for them, and they do get out and vote, are watching faux news. AJT Jan 2020 #8
I'm Not Watching Fox News... global1 Jan 2020 #9
I think they are showing fishing shows and old college football games relayerbob Jan 2020 #37
Give Schiff a big round of applause for a superlative presentation. northoftheborder Jan 2020 #10
Trump's lawyers could spend their time dancing the polka for all that matters Blaukraut Jan 2020 #11
+1000! USALiberal Jan 2020 #14
The Repugs Are Doing This At Their Own Peril...... global1 Jan 2020 #17
They will not only face the judgment of the electorate,,, lastlib Jan 2020 #23
Seriously,??? They just WILL NOT. Haven't you seen their behavior up to this point?? nt USALiberal Jan 2020 #12
Trump's co-conspirators are making outlandish arguments meow2u3 Jan 2020 #13
I don't know how they do.. stillcool Jan 2020 #15
Republicans are traitors Liberalhammer Jan 2020 #16
the GOP strategy so far: make the proceedings into a repulsive circus so people tune out 0rganism Jan 2020 #18
They just voted against the amendment to get documents Perseus Jan 2020 #19
they will ignore the truth & keep propagating the lies, that is what fascists do. nt yaesu Jan 2020 #21
They don't care about truth or fairness. Remember Obama's first inauguration? Repubs went to a Karadeniz Jan 2020 #22
Catch 22 for them budkin Jan 2020 #24
kompromat Skittles Jan 2020 #25
EXCUSES ewagner Jan 2020 #26
Yes, but you know what will aCTUally happen is red states will reelect these fucking traitors. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #28
the GOP Senate are all "Trump" now. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2020 #31
Republicans don't care!!! vlyons Jan 2020 #32
What if... moondust Jan 2020 #33
I think that's why they've already voted for no documents calimary Jan 2020 #34
Oh, I don't know. patphil Jan 2020 #38
You might underestimate how many people get their news from Fox soundbites and Facebook memes. Flaleftist Jan 2020 #39
Adam Schiff was awesome in his opening remarks. kacekwl Jan 2020 #40
They wont care that they look "foolish, partisan or involved in a cover-up" Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #41
Power. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #42
I wish I had your optimism. cwydro Jan 2020 #43
Regardless what the argument is and how convincing it is... madinmaryland Jan 2020 #44

PJMcK

(22,056 posts)
1. Politics, baby!
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jan 2020

Republicans always come up with an excuse or an "explanation."

They are lying, cheating un-American traitors if they let Trump skate.

nolabear

(41,999 posts)
2. They certainly will have to face having nothing but bias.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jan 2020

The Democrats are killing it. Presenting evidence in the defense of the amendment is brilliant.

global1

(25,285 posts)
5. If The American People Listening To The Trial Today All Come Away With This Same.....
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jan 2020

impression - and the polls taken during and after this trial show that this is what the Public is hearing and feeling - the Repugs are going to really be backed into a corner.

If they don't vote to remove Trump - they will suffer greatly in November.

This is the Dems ticket to taking back the Senate in November regardless of the outcome of this trial.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
6. Let's not make the common mistake of giving the Republican senators credit for
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jan 2020

either acting in good faith or having a sense of shame.

The compelling nature of the Democrat's undrebutted evidence of Trump's guilt counts for nothing in their view. They are not there to try Trump; they are there to "totally exonerate" him while slandering as many Democrats as they can.

soldierant

(6,938 posts)
20. No, they have no sense of shame, you are correct.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

The only sense they have is a sense of self-preservation. That, I think, they do have.

If enough of them can grasp that "If you don't destroy Trump*, he will destroy you," them and only then do we have a chance. But they have been living in a fantasy world for so long, and the voices of the MAGAts in that world are so loud, it's far from a given.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
8. The people who vote for them, and they do get out and vote, are watching faux news.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
Jan 2020

They have no idea what is happening.

global1

(25,285 posts)
9. I'm Not Watching Fox News...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:24 PM
Jan 2020

Is Fox airing the trial as it is being conducted or are they editing it and making comments while the trial goes on in the background?

relayerbob

(6,561 posts)
37. I think they are showing fishing shows and old college football games
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jan 2020

News? Ain't nuttin' happening today.

Blaukraut

(5,695 posts)
11. Trump's lawyers could spend their time dancing the polka for all that matters
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jan 2020

The republicans have their minds made up and nothing the Dems can say and Trump's defense DOESN'T say will make a difference.

lastlib

(23,323 posts)
23. They will not only face the judgment of the electorate,,,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:17 PM
Jan 2020

but also the judgment of history. And history will NOT be kind to them.

They have a stark choice--they can choose the right side of infamy, or they can be BURIED by it.

meow2u3

(24,774 posts)
13. Trump's co-conspirators are making outlandish arguments
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jan 2020

Repukes are either involved in Trump's criminal machinations or they've been bullied into submission. In other words, they're either accomplices or accessories after the fact.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
15. I don't know how they do..
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jan 2020

anything they do. It just doesn't matter, and the show must go on. Whatever excuses they come up with, you can bet you'll be hearing them being parroted all over cable 'news' shows. Perception rules.

0rganism

(23,975 posts)
18. the GOP strategy so far: make the proceedings into a repulsive circus so people tune out
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:56 PM
Jan 2020

then, later in the evening, people tune in to Fox News for their summary and get all the ridiculous highlights from their favorite cons taken seriously.

not everyone will do this.

many won't tune back in at all. for them, Russian trollbots will make up the difference.
many won't tune to Fox for their summary. that just self-segments them as people the regime doesn't care about anyway.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. They just voted against the amendment to get documents
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jan 2020

There are no principles in the republican party.

Karadeniz

(22,587 posts)
22. They don't care about truth or fairness. Remember Obama's first inauguration? Repubs went to a
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jan 2020

Steakhouse and vowed to never, not once, allow the democratically elected president to succeed on any measure that we, the people, had elected him for. They spit on Obama, the millions who'd voted for him, majority rule...anything connected to principles of fairness, they spit on it. Then McConnell said his job 1 was to make Obama a one-term president...not legislate, but obstruct. We're not talking about politicians with a full tank of integrity.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)
28. Yes, but you know what will aCTUally happen is red states will reelect these fucking traitors.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

Guaranteed.

we have to come to grips that 35% of America WANTS us GONE and will accept the help of the Russians or Saudis to remove or kill us.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,156 posts)
31. the GOP Senate are all "Trump" now.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jan 2020

Liars and oath breakers all. So long as they get money from their equally horrid corporate benefactors and the F'nNRA, why worry?

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
32. Republicans don't care!!!
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jan 2020

They care only about money and power. To them, we are little people, who don't matter. We get in the way of them maximizing corporate profits, harvesting the natural resources, and interferring with their big plans to get even more money and power. Everyone of them needs to be sent straight to Hell to spend eternity sitting in a vat of boiling lead.

moondust

(20,017 posts)
33. What if...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:40 PM
Jan 2020

a year or two from now some former or current Republican Senator(s) come clean and confess that it was all a cover-up and they all knew it and conspired to obstruct justice. Is there any legal remedy for that kind of past wrongdoing? Lying under oath? Conspiracy? Something else? Statute of limitations?

Lawyers?

calimary

(81,527 posts)
34. I think that's why they've already voted for no documents
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

to be brought in. At least not this soon. That said, I’d bet they won’t revisit it later. There’ll be no “later.”

patphil

(6,230 posts)
38. Oh, I don't know.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:37 PM
Jan 2020

Republicans have looked foolish, partisan, and like they were involved in a coverup for quite some time now.
Why would they change just because Trump is guilty?

Hey, we're talking about Republican Senators here...McConnell, Thune, Barraso, Blunt, Ernst, Cotton, Graham, Collins, Cruz, Kennedy, Purdue, Roberts, Scott...and the rest of this team of liars, cheats, and grifters.

When have these guys ever stood up for truth and justice?
They set the bar so low a worm can't wiggle under it.

I will say one thing, either they are screwed or we are.
I much prefer it to be them.

Patrick Phillips

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
39. You might underestimate how many people get their news from Fox soundbites and Facebook memes.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jan 2020

I hope you're right and enough level-headed people realize what is going on and vote to kick GOP scum out of DC in November.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
41. They wont care that they look "foolish, partisan or involved in a cover-up"
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jan 2020

All they care about it lining their pockets and not having their closeted skeletons exposed.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
42. Power.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jan 2020

That's what moves the Trump Party. Whatever keeps them in power is what they'll do.

McConnell is reading the tea leaves, while Trumpers are getting angry phone calls. But Trumpy is pulling all of the strings.

You're right that the Dems are making great arguments for witnesses, docs, and due process. But your understanding is a rational one. And that's the problem with your analysis. The Trump party makes no attempt at rational arguments. It's all emotional for them. Its point to "failure" of the Dems to produce all of the evidence (straw man), the "failure" of Dems to wrestle witnesses from Trump's grasp (this is the Dems' fault?), etc. It's every possible version of "own the libs" that they can muster. Owning the libs is what motivates Trumpers. Hate and disgust at Dems are their bread and butter. Nothing else matters. Sure, the Dems make eloquent and convincing arguments, but Trumpers aren't listening. They're on another planet.

Trumpers are so whipped up into such a frenzy that they're willing, no, enthusiastic, about warring with the Dems that they are willing to walk all of us into a Dictatorship. That's where we're heading with an acquittal.

This whole affair won't end well. And when we reach the sordid end, it will get worse.

I know this sounds like doom and gloom, and I seriously would love to be wrong, but I don't see a "unique event" that will turn the worm. Trump has already accumulated way too much power, and an acquittal will give him everything. No censuring, no further impeachments, no laws with attempted veto overrides will change that. Trump will be immune from accountability. And he's nuts. So he'll run rampant over the laws and norms while his party kisses his ass. If he's predictable at all, it's in his inflated view of himself and his terrible judgements when he thinks he's on top of the world, or when he goes into rages against his perceived mortal enemies. We're screwed. All of us, except the very wealthy.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
44. Regardless what the argument is and how convincing it is...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:06 PM
Jan 2020

It’s not going to convince 67 senators. This is the TV drama tRump wants and is getting. When he wins (and he will) he will be the anointed leader as will his descendants.

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