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****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/24/20 THREAD 1**** (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 OP
***WILL BE STARTING SHORTLY*** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #1
do you know when it is supposed to start tomorrow? Kali Jan 2020 #2
Not sure - Am guessing Turtle will let us know before today's session ends BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #3
I am so invested in watching this, but there is a funeral I should go to Kali Jan 2020 #7
Turtle just said they will convene at 10 am ET Saturday. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #9
thanks Kali Jan 2020 #42
Did a quick search and saw this article from CNN BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #5
so confirmed: rules bend to fit Republicans' wants Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #16
Of course BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #19
My tv would not survive 3 days of screeching and squawking. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #23
.... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #24
Consider a live thread as a safety valve ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #29
I am burnt out now BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #39
You need to take care of you! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #47
I am going to try BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #52
***BENEDICTION*** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #4
Pledge of allegiance completed. Sergeant at Arms - proclamation. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #6
Turtle - schedule - tomorrow at 10 am for several hours. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #8
And they stood the Pledge of Allegiance Mersky Jan 2020 #10
Adam Schiff up providing the upcoming arguments - Jason Crow will be up first BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #11
Jason Crow (D-CO) is continuing the argument of "corrupt intent" with respect to the Ukraine aid BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #12
Note that the sergeant at arms omitted Wednesdays Jan 2020 #13
You made me rewind it and he did say "on pain of imprisonment" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #14
Yeah, about staying silent Wednesdays Jan 2020 #65
I think he has a standard "proclamation" that he reads BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #70
I love every time they play that Mulvaney clip! BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #15
Crow anticipating and refuting excuses Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #17
Slide: pResident tRump Released Aide Only After His Scheme is Exposed Mersky Jan 2020 #18
And then he still illegally withheld, what? $40M? Hortensis Jan 2020 #25
This a lot to ask, can anyone do a quick recap? stevil Jan 2020 #20
Jeffries is doing that right now Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #22
We're doing a magnificent, principled job, and Hortensis Jan 2020 #28
find the threads from the last few days Kali Jan 2020 #44
The House Impeachment Managers have divided up the case into portions BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #79
Super thank you stevil Jan 2020 #97
Crow has concluded and now Hakeem Jeffries is up. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #21
Crow: WH attorneys allowed wrongdoing to continue Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #26
Jeffries calling the July 25th call "an 'imperfect' telephone call" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #27
Clips of Vindman's and Morrison's testimony about concerns re: phone call Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #31
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2020 #30
Jeffries: the burying of the call on the highly classified server Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #32
he means "system" but lots of people say and think "server" Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #33
Jeffries now going into the coverup - the call transcript being put on the highly BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #34
oops! sorry, cop, we accidently built that brick wall around that body. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #35
Relating how NSC lawyers tried to bury the call summary Mersky Jan 2020 #36
Jeffries - "Who ordered the coverup of the call record?" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #37
woot! points out AG Barr knew, too Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #38
Slide: White House Knew of Whistle-Blower's Allegations Soon After Trump's Call With Ukraine Leader Mersky Jan 2020 #40
jeebus, McGuire seems like a lifetime ago Kali Jan 2020 #41
I missed his opening argument slide Mersky Jan 2020 #43
Jeffries: "There's a toxic mess at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue." Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #45
That is the truth. Mersky Jan 2020 #46
Jeffries- an amazing speech about our "great nation" -"What are we going to do about our character?" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #48
What ARE WE gonna do about that?! Mersky Jan 2020 #51
Jeffries has concluded and Jason Crow (D-CO) is back up. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #49
Hakeem Jeffries cuts straight to the heart of the matter. Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #50
Crow is bringing up how many times Bolton told his direct reports and others BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #53
Sondland's stipulating release of aid for Ukrainian announcement of an investigation Mersky Jan 2020 #54
the Senate SHOULD DEMAND Bolton testify ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #55
Absolutely should subpoena Bolton. Mersky Jan 2020 #58
hope House Managers tease with Bolton's name over and over Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #59
If the republicans do not, then they will forever be known Mersky Jan 2020 #68
Slide: Trump tries to force Ukraine to meddle in the 2020 election Mersky Jan 2020 #56
Thanks for the link! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #60
Yw! Mersky Jan 2020 #82
president not concerned about corruption until he got caught Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #57
Crow has concluded his portion on the misconduct. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #61
Crow concludes: "His misconduct continues to this day." Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #62
Schiff is back up - noting last presentation for impeachment Article I BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #63
I **REALLY** want to see one of our managers bring up "heads on a pike" better Jan 2020 #64
hoping to see that, too Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #66
I first thought so too C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #80
no relish -- they haven't earned condiments Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #83
Not even mustard? C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #84
only if it's YELLOW :) Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #86
Schiff is reiterating the misconduct and the ramifcations of that BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #67
"irrevocable harm" -- separation of powers, national security Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #69
Schiff: "conduct incompatible" with the office of the Presidency Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #71
Slide 1: pResident tRump's Misconduct has Grave Consequences for Our Country Mersky Jan 2020 #72
Obama looking presidential Kali Jan 2020 #73
Schiff - history Ukrainian independence, quotes McCain Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #74
Slide 2: pResident tRump's Misconduct Harmed Our National Security Mersky Jan 2020 #75
Schiff: consequences world-wide. benefits to Putin. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #76
Ambassador Taylor C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #77
Schiff quotes George Schultz, leave a garden for 6 months you get weeds ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #78
Schiff - decades of policy undermined by trump, giuliani, parnas, etc. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #81
Schiff -- soon have no allies left Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #85
Schiff - maybe we need a revolution of dignity, a revolution of civility ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #87
I liked that Mersky Jan 2020 #89
Schiff continues to hammer on consequences here, Ukraine, elsewhere ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #88
Missed that argument summary slide from five mins ago Mersky Jan 2020 #90
****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/24/20 THREAD 2**** UP BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #91
clip of Trump spouting Russian propaganda while standing beside Putin Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #92
Greatest success of Russian intelligence propaganda ever. Propaganda coup! nt crickets Jan 2020 #94
Slide: pResident tRump's Pattern of Behavior Foreshadowing Future Harm Mersky Jan 2020 #93
was hoping you caught that to post. maybe in thread 2, too? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #95
Yes, I'll fix it in a bit Mersky Jan 2020 #96

Kali

(55,026 posts)
2. do you know when it is supposed to start tomorrow?
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020

thought I hear turtle say they had a briefing first or something...

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
5. Did a quick search and saw this article from CNN
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:07 PM
Jan 2020
Senators considering short morning-only impeachment session on Saturday

By Ted Barrett, Manu Raju, Phil Mattingly and Lauren Fox, CNN

Updated 3:51 PM ET, Thu January 23, 2020
Berman slams GOP senators' behavior during trial

(CNN)Senators and aides in each party say there is an effort in the works to hold a short, morning-only impeachment trial session on Saturday to hear the beginning of the opening arguments from President Donald Trump's defense counsel and then allowing senators to leave town for the weekend.

The plan is not finalized but seemed to be gaining steam on Thursday as word of the plan circulated through the Republican and Democratic caucuses.

"I'm hoping for an early start on Saturday," said Sen. Roy Blunt a Republican from Missouri who chairs the Rules Committee and has been closely involved with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell in arranging the logistics and other support of the trial.

An early start is possible, in part, because Chief Justice John Roberts would not need to do his day job presiding over the Supreme Court on a Saturday, something he's done all week before presiding over the impeachment trial in the afternoon and into the night.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/politics/saturday-session-impeachment-trial/index.html


So they may be working on that. Also just heard on CSPAN2 that the Democrats had about 8 1/2 hours left and may or may not use all of that and if they don't, the WH side might start today and then continue tomorrow.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
19. Of course
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jan 2020

(and then I expect that whatever arguments their side has, it is a fraction of what the Dems have been presenting )

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,505 posts)
29. Consider a live thread as a safety valve ...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jan 2020

Posting a live thread of the unstable geniuses shovelling their bullshit will provide a safety valve where people can respond in ways that are not dangerous to various and sundry television devices.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
39. I am burnt out now
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jan 2020

Few hours of sleep this week. I normally get up around by 4 am and have continued to do that this week after doing these threads..

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,505 posts)
47. You need to take care of you!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jan 2020

We'll make it! Get yourself some sleep and relax; you've been above and beyond on these threads.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
52. I am going to try
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jan 2020

My mother always used to have an old saying that she said her grandfather used to say to her all the time - "You'll have plenty of time to sleep when you are in the grave".

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
10. And they stood the Pledge of Allegiance
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:10 PM
Jan 2020

I hope the republicans considered the words as they mumbled them

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
11. Adam Schiff up providing the upcoming arguments - Jason Crow will be up first
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:10 PM
Jan 2020

to go over application of Constitutional law to this process.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
70. I think he has a standard "proclamation" that he reads
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

The thing about what else they can or cannot do in there are part of the special Senate Rules they passed for this.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
18. Slide: pResident tRump Released Aide Only After His Scheme is Exposed
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020

Aug. 26: Whistleblower Complaint Transmitted to DNI
Sept. 5: WaPo: “tRump Tries to Force Ukraine to Meddle in the 2020 Election”*
Sept. 9: House Announces Ukraine Investigation
Sept. 11: pResident tRump Releases Military Aid

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Given at the start of Crow’s presentation
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/is-trump-strong-arming-ukraines-new-president-for-political-gain/2019/09/05/4eb239b0-cffa-11e9-8c1c-7c8ee785b855_story.html

stevil

(1,537 posts)
20. This a lot to ask, can anyone do a quick recap?
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jan 2020

I've spent 3 days in hospital with dad, laptop is dead because of a leaky water bottle, back at home now and wondering how it's going. Any summary would be appreciated.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. We're doing a magnificent, principled job, and
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jan 2020

history will reflect that. Hopefully, the electorate will also next November. In any case, we can be very proud of them and ourselves.

The subversives who hold the senate majority will vote to place Trump beyond the control of the people and congress.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
79. The House Impeachment Managers have divided up the case into portions
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:45 PM
Jan 2020

1.) Arguing each impeachment Article - they are completing Article I now (Article II will be next)
2.) Article I was basically "Abuse of Power".
3.) For the Abuse of Power, they have had each Manager, in a chronological fashion (I think starting back in April 2019 and working their way until the present) walk through every action as a narrative -

  • the requiring of a fake "investigation" against a political rival by Ukraine in exchange for a meeting and funding
  • the subsequent holding of the Ukraine aid to carry out the threat if an investigation wasn't done
  • the coverup of evidence (classifying a call transcript and manufacturing a justification for holding the aid) - which was exposed and showed that what they were doing was illegal, only coming out once Congress was finally given notice of a whistleblower report, and that notice was was reported in the news


  • 4.) To show proof of "abuse of power", they included testimony clips, news interview clips, texts, emails, and call transcripts, that established - 1) what was happening, 2) who was doing what 3.) what the result was 4) and why the actions that were carried out by the President, his staff, and his lawyers, resulted in an abuse of power.
    5.) They then chronologically went through the above showing how the Constitution defined these actions as impeachable and how that compared with past impeachments
    6.) And now they are arguing why what was done is so egregious that it requires removal from office as a penalty - due to the President being a national security risk.

    BumRushDaShow

    (129,737 posts)
    34. Jeffries now going into the coverup - the call transcript being put on the highly
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:42 PM
    Jan 2020

    classified server, supposedly an "administrative mistake".

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    36. Relating how NSC lawyers tried to bury the call summary
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:44 PM
    Jan 2020

    Clip of Morrison saying he recommended restricting access to Eisenberg. That Eisnberg would go on to call it a mistake.

    ...
    It would remain improperly classified until after the investigation began.

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    43. I missed his opening argument slide
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 02:52 PM
    Jan 2020

    If anyone has it, please share. Otherwise, I’ll edit it in upon review later today.

    (Cats, coffee, and plugging-in got in my way. )

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    54. Sondland's stipulating release of aid for Ukrainian announcement of an investigation
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:08 PM
    Jan 2020

    Was “an additional hurdle” according to Morrison in the testimony clip.

    A “wrinkle” as Goldman described back.

    ___
    Seems to be a hurdle/wrinkle the size of an elephant.

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    68. If the republicans do not, then they will forever be known
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:22 PM
    Jan 2020

    for betraying the country.

    Bolton is a logically relevant and reasonable witness to call.

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    56. Slide: Trump tries to force Ukraine to meddle in the 2020 election
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:11 PM
    Jan 2020
    Ukrainian democracy and independence. But we’re reliably told that the president has a second and more venal agenda: He is attempting to force Mr. Zelensky to intervene in the 2020 U.S. presidential election by launching an investigation of the leading Democratic candidate, Joe Biden. Mr. Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine’s help with his presidential campaign; he is using U.S. military aid the country desperately needs in an attempt to extort it.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/is-trump-strong-arming-ukraines-new-president-for-political-gain/2019/09/05/4eb239b0-cffa-11e9-8c1c-7c8ee785b855_story.html

    BumRushDaShow

    (129,737 posts)
    63. Schiff is back up - noting last presentation for impeachment Article I
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:20 PM
    Jan 2020

    (and then expect to take a break before moving to Article II)

    better

    (884 posts)
    64. I **REALLY** want to see one of our managers bring up "heads on a pike"
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:21 PM
    Jan 2020

    and remind the Reality TV Senators that "this is Washington, not Westeros".

    C_U_L8R

    (45,027 posts)
    80. I first thought so too
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:47 PM
    Jan 2020

    But Republicans know very well that they're threatened violently by Trump and the media is doing a good job reminding them and informing us all. Maybe it's more noble if the managers don't mention it? It's the elephant in the room anyway. That said, I'd also cheer if they crammed it down the GOP's gullet with great relish.

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    72. Slide 1: pResident tRump's Misconduct has Grave Consequences for Our Country
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:31 PM
    Jan 2020

    1. Harmed National Security
    2. Endangered Our Elections
    3. Ongoing Offenses Continue to Threaten Our Democracy


    ___
    Given towards the start of the Lead House Manager Schiff’s presentation titled:

    President Trump’s Misconduct Harmed Our Nation

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    75. Slide 2: pResident tRump's Misconduct Harmed Our National Security
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:32 PM
    Jan 2020

    1. Emboldened Our Adversary and Threatened Global Security
    2. Diminished US Credibility With Our Allies
    3. Undermined US Efforts to Combat Corruption and Promote Rule of Law

    C_U_L8R

    (45,027 posts)
    77. Ambassador Taylor
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:41 PM
    Jan 2020

    Every time he speaks, I hear Walter Pigeon.

    The ambassador would make magnificent voice talent.

    Hermit-The-Prog

    (33,505 posts)
    78. Schiff quotes George Schultz, leave a garden for 6 months you get weeds ...
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:45 PM
    Jan 2020

    Schultz from Reagan administration.
    Support for Ukraine must be consistent to deter Russian adventurism. Trump misconduct puts support in question in eyes of allies.

    Hermit-The-Prog

    (33,505 posts)
    87. Schiff - maybe we need a revolution of dignity, a revolution of civility ...
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 03:54 PM
    Jan 2020

    maybe we can learn from Ukraine

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    89. I liked that
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 04:02 PM
    Jan 2020

    Especially after reviewing Yovanovitch‘s testimony about the Revolution of Dignity

    And yet another clip of Yovanovitch saying how schemes like this, “widen the playing field for autocrats like putin.”

    Hermit-The-Prog

    (33,505 posts)
    88. Schiff continues to hammer on consequences here, Ukraine, elsewhere ...
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 04:00 PM
    Jan 2020

    This is superb. The evidence is irrefutable and the consequences are so grim, immediate and ongoing, even the dead hearts in GOPers should be moved. Only greed and cultism can hold them aloof.

    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    90. Missed that argument summary slide from five mins ago
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 04:05 PM
    Jan 2020

    I’ll get it in here, later. Was slow on the draw. I’ll post the newest one in a bit.


    Mersky

    (4,986 posts)
    93. Slide: pResident tRump's Pattern of Behavior Foreshadowing Future Harm
    Fri Jan 24, 2020, 04:11 PM
    Jan 2020

    1. Russia’s plot is ongoing
    2. pResident tRump’s refuses to condemn Russian attacks
    3. pResident tRump’s pattern foreshadows misconduct
    4. pResident tRump’s ongoing offenses leaves our elections vulnerable

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    Eta: Will repost in Live Thread #2

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