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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:40 AM Jan 2020

Welcome to Coffeyville, Kansas, where the judge has no law degree,debt collectors get a cut

of the bail, and Americans are watching their lives — and liberty — disappear in the pursuit of medical debt collection.

Ambulance, Judge, Jail
When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested

On the last Tuesday of July, Tres Biggs stepped into the courthouse in Coffeyville, Kansas, for medical debt collection day, a monthly ritual in this quiet city of 9,000, just over the Oklahoma border. He was one of 90 people who had been summoned, sued by the local hospital, or doctors, or an ambulance service over unpaid bills. Some wore eye patches and bandages; others limped to their seats by the wood-paneled walls. Biggs, who is 41, had to take a day off from work to be there. He knew from experience that if he didn’t show up, he could be put in jail.

Before the morning’s hearing, he listened as defendants traded stories. One woman recalled how, at four months pregnant, she had reported a money order scam to her local sheriff’s office only to discover that she had a warrant; she was arrested on the spot. A radiologist had sued her over a $230 bill, and she’d missed one hearing too many. Another woman said she watched, a decade ago, as a deputy came to the door for her diabetic aunt and took her to jail in her final years of life. Now here she was, dealing with her own debt, trying to head off the same fate.

Biggs, who is tall and broad-shouldered, with sun-scorched skin and bright hazel eyes, looked up as defendants talked, but he was embarrassed to say much. His court dates had begun after his son developed leukemia, and they’d picked up when his wife started having seizures. He, too, had been arrested because of medical debt. It had happened more than once.

https://features.propublica.org/medical-debt/when-medical-debt-collectors-decide-who-gets-arrested-coffeyville-kansas/

Medicare for All

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Welcome to Coffeyville, Kansas, where the judge has no law degree,debt collectors get a cut (Original Post) BeckyDem Jan 2020 OP
I guess there are worse places to live, than my bright red dewsgirl Jan 2020 #1
Yep. The details of this story should terrify every American. It is the story of a country that has BeckyDem Jan 2020 #2
I don't know about that. Oppaloopa Jan 2020 #20
Yikes 😳 I hope everything is ok now. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #21
How does expanding the ACA fix this? Any DUers opposed to MFA or single payer want to explain how? LonePirate Jan 2020 #3
First off, we need to relieve the medical debt and fight to pass Medicare for All. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #5
holy shit gopiscrap Jan 2020 #4
I am very sorry, no one in America should be going through anything like that. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #6
Republicans have the answer; just die and let your estate handle it. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #7
No, the Republicans in power have no problem with our death at all. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #11
Hospitals keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #8
Debtors prisons Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #9
Yes! BeckyDem Jan 2020 #13
And I'll bet those who set this up will LOUDLY proclaim how Christian they are. calimary Jan 2020 #10
I agree, it is phony displaced "caring". BeckyDem Jan 2020 #12
Some are even fine with that as long as they think they are "owning the libs". nt. Ligyron Jan 2020 #35
They'll prattle back "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" from the New Testament. Texin Jan 2020 #33
"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?" CanonRay Jan 2020 #14
Who among us...? dchill Jan 2020 #15
OMG this is one of the worse things Ive heard since putting children in cages. Oppaloopa Jan 2020 #16
It is and so unnecessary. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #18
Jesus...Fuckin'...Christ Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #17
I hear you, it is THAT shocking. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #19
America. It's all about the money mountain grammy Jan 2020 #22
Yes, and so out of control too. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #27
Gosh, in a red state no less Scalded Nun Jan 2020 #23
2 questions Doremus Jan 2020 #24
I think we are in the streets so to speak and why we are seeing things turn around in the congress BeckyDem Jan 2020 #26
Just as Republicans intended MrScorpio Jan 2020 #25
You're right, not a coincidence. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #28
We need to revoke corporate personhood & rein in the corporate behemoths. CrispyQ Jan 2020 #29
+1 BeckyDem Jan 2020 #36
Thanks for this info. PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #40
And they all still vote for the Republicans! UCmeNdc Jan 2020 #30
This heartbreaking story Ohiogal Jan 2020 #31
All our candidates need to recite from these stories when they are challenging a Republican. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #38
This is not as uncommon as people want to think. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #32
Thanks to everyone in this thread for their responses and your link shows the crime BeckyDem Jan 2020 #37
K&Fuckin' R Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2020 #34
Holy cow! PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #39

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
2. Yep. The details of this story should terrify every American. It is the story of a country that has
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020

hit rock bottom, imo. We can and must resolve it.

Oppaloopa

(867 posts)
20. I don't know about that.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jan 2020

My neice was incarserated in Florida for a white collar crime much less than our last governor. She recieved 3 years having 3 young children. She was denined medical care and even forced to work while sick and in pain. The reason was she did not have enough money in her prision account to pay for her medical care. This was due to the dog theif Pam Bondi. Next to Texas our state sucks the most.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
21. Yikes 😳 I hope everything is ok now.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

Oh I know it sucks, I just have never worried about being jailed for unpaid medical bills. I am from Indian River County(another red county) and for the next 9 months, I am in Okaloosa county.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
5. First off, we need to relieve the medical debt and fight to pass Medicare for All.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jan 2020

Makes no sense not to.

keithbvadu2

(36,980 posts)
7. Republicans have the answer; just die and let your estate handle it.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jan 2020

Republicans have the answer; just die and let your estate handle it.

Sarcasm?

keithbvadu2

(36,980 posts)
8. Hospitals
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jan 2020

The health care system in China is multi-layered. In larger cities you have some hospitals that are public, which are available to all. And then you have private hospitals that are expensive. My mother-in-law started out on in a private hospital, but the expenses started to pile up and she was transferred to a public hospital.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212912189

Johnny2X2X

(19,213 posts)
9. Debtors prisons
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jan 2020

That's the Conservative dream, locking people up who can't pay their bills, and then while they are in prison forcing them to work as slave labor.

calimary

(81,550 posts)
10. And I'll bet those who set this up will LOUDLY proclaim how Christian they are.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jan 2020

How MUCH they believe in Jesus.

Uh-huh.

They speak with forked tongues.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
12. I agree, it is phony displaced "caring".
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jan 2020

They support a president and party that sells them out every time. Most of them seem fine with that until it happens to them. Perhaps some will vote with us this time.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
33. They'll prattle back "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" from the New Testament.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jan 2020

(Which was said by Jesus regarding the levying of taxes by the Romans imposed on Palestine).

The protestants have wrapped themselves in this ever since. It's been the chief argument against individuals being able to utilize bankruptcy to settle catastrophic debts - much, if not most, of which was the result of catastrophic medical expenses in more recent years.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
24. 2 questions
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jan 2020

1. Why are the people NOT in the streets?

2. Why ARE there still people deciding to live there?

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
26. I think we are in the streets so to speak and why we are seeing things turn around in the congress
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jan 2020

although not nearly as fast as we want. My guess is people are stuck where they are for various reasons and or believe they are?

CrispyQ

(36,544 posts)
29. We need to revoke corporate personhood & rein in the corporate behemoths.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jan 2020

Corporations should serve We the People, not the other way around. We use to work to support our private lives. Now our private lives support the corporation. From cradle to grave, in sickness or health, we are nothing but consumers and debt slaves to the corporation. The right blames the decline of America on turning from religion when really the decline began when we gave corporations Constitutional rights just like We the People, and then turned our citizens into profit centers for those corporations. There is some argument over whether the Supreme Court actually meant that corporations should have Constitutional rights, but just like "you can't indict a sitting president" it seems to have stuck.

I think this is one issue that could unite the left and the right. When I told my rwnj cousin that corporations have Constitutional rights just like We the People, he said, "That isn't right."


Reclaim Democracy's Corporate Personhood page: There's some really good reading on these pages.

Slavery is the fiction that people are property.
Corporate personhood is the fiction that corporations are people.

~from Reclaim Democracy

And here's a one page primer from the Sierra Club for those with limited time: Meet the Corporation

Revoke corporate personhood.

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
40. Thanks for this info.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jan 2020

Ever since Citizens United, the dark money cluster*** we already had before that SC decision has multiplied exponentially.

Ohiogal

(32,122 posts)
31. This heartbreaking story
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

makes me want to cry.

I cannot believe this happens in America. It is beyond shameful.

And that fat fuck in the WH crows about the great economy all the time ....

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
38. All our candidates need to recite from these stories when they are challenging a Republican.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jan 2020

Trump is a swine as well as his buddies.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
37. Thanks to everyone in this thread for their responses and your link shows the crime
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jan 2020

of having the flu, a $6,000 flu. This is what robbery looks like.

Last year when she had the flu and went to the emergency room, she received a bill for $6,000.

https://www.ktre.com/2019/09/12/only-hospital-nm-city-sues-thousands-over-medical-bills-garnishes-wages/

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