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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/27/20 THREAD 2****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212915852
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)almost unanimously by Constitutional scholars.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)diva77
(7,671 posts)nuttin'
he thinks he's this but he's really this:
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)diva77
(7,671 posts)and in interviews with rethugs on all media
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)blaze
(6,384 posts)Just the 16 hour time slot for Senators to ask questions... then the witness question.
I found this a helpful overview:
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/31/787235305/how-a-senate-impeachment-trial-could-work
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)maxsolomon
(33,432 posts)Schiff pre-emptively swatted most of this down on Thursday.
They'll come back to it in Senator's questions. There are 47 Dem Senators; they'll have questions to fill 2 days.
Arkansas Granny
(31,536 posts)had a chance of rebuttal.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Well this citizen knows that tRump is clearly capable of trying to steal my vote with the help of foreign governments, and is just one reason why he needs to be removed.
Kali
(55,027 posts)asshole
capechacon
(91 posts)WTF??? How can one speaker be so boring, so obtuse and so irrelevant at the same time?
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)killed the argument re the census question...and he is sitting right behind these slime buckets...
madaboutharry
(40,238 posts)after not reading the book.
"Well, there was a fish. And this old man. The old man had a little boat.....I think.....but it is a good book...better than a lot of other books. This writer is a good writer and it is nice to read his book. Other books are not as good...."
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,771 posts)He's claiming that the executive office should have the power to obstruct.
I take it that none of Trump's lawyers are paid by taxpayer money, because that was a problem for Bill Clinton. He had NO client-lawyer privilege information because his lawyers were paid by public money.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)At least he's boring.
But I swear some of this is just rambling. And I'm GOOD at following rambling.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)Russiapublicans want voters bored and lulled, not calling to demand witnesses.
hedda_foil
(16,376 posts)Wait -- it's the Justice Department's fault. Well I can agree that the OLC's opinions run against the constitution and precedent, but that's not what he's trying to say. He's saying the OLC is more important than the House (and presumably the Senate).
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)backtoblue
(11,346 posts)Because it allows the House to impeach without an oath of fairness.
He might as well rip the Constitution on live tv...
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)dchill
(38,572 posts)...to read Dr. Seuss.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)Kali
(55,027 posts)SamKnause
(13,111 posts)Thanks for the threads.
You always do an excellent job !!!
kskiska
(27,048 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Historical!
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)that I am sure that history and government teachers nationwide are afraid to even show this in their classrooms, else they have to spend an inordinate amount of time for the students to "unlearn" what they were shown.
H2O Man
(73,651 posts)This is as weak as it gets.
mobeau69
(11,163 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)dpibel
(2,881 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)hedda_foil
(16,376 posts)And now Sekulow is accusing the House because Pelosi distributed pens to the Impeachment Managers. And Purpuro is going to be next. Apparently they're going back to the call and the "no pressure" argument.
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)that EVERY President hands out and the Speaker does the same when bills are "enrolled" to be sent to the Senate. The media is rarely there when that happens unless it is a major piece of legislation but it is done pretty much for all of them.
Kali
(55,027 posts)PENS!!!
jebus, they got nothing, NOTHING!
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)And it had a clip with it, as proof that she handed out pens!!
What a dreadful defense!
madaboutharry
(40,238 posts)They are lost. They have nothing that can defend Trump. All they have is to repeat the lies Trump asserted in his tweets.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)SamKnause
(13,111 posts)The presidents always give always pens when they sign bills etc.
They are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
This has only happened 3 times in the history of this country.
Big fucking deal.
Nancy passed out pens.
Fuck off Sekulow.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)(and Presidents do it as a matter of course)
For the smaller pieces of legislation, often the constituents may get one of the pens. They are paid for out of taxpayer money. It's just like the flags that fly over the Capitol. They fly a new one every day and the one from the previous day is given away.
SamKnause
(13,111 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Is so stupid it hurts.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Talking slow like the rest of them, to fill time.
crickets
(25,987 posts)went up on the screen.
-Ukraine did not know about hold until one month after call
-None of Dem's witnesses say Trump linked investigations to sec assistance or meeting
-No Ukraine investigation but they still received assissance and 'a meeting' [Note: assistance let go only after they were caught, still no WHITE HOUSE meeting]
-Trump strengthened US support for Ukraine [with Javelins they can't use on the Russians?]
Wow, that was stunning.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)and the money HAD to be released because the hold WAS BREAKING THE LAW!
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)They "met on the sidelines" at the U.N. but did not have one of these coveted photo ops (the below was Erdowan) -
Mersky
(4,986 posts)As if her clear descriptions of the difference in normal foreign policy and the Sondland/giuliani/OMB shuffling along of tRumps agenda is not reflected in the very testimonies of the people theyve already pulled out of context.
Taylor wont get much air time either.
crickets
(25,987 posts)that says the meeting could have occurred either place, but it was an incomplete quote on a slide, not a video clip. I would love to see the rest of the quote to know if she mentioned that the Oval Office meeting was the one that mattered.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Was ridiculous that he emphasized it as some sort of damning thing. Is as controversial as me saying that my cats breath smells like cat food. Just dumb.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Could be a face to face meeting in Poland. Big whoop purpura.
Isnt the Warsaw meeting the reason VP Pants assistant, Williams, needed to file a questionably classified supplement to her testimony. Shouldnt she be called as a witness?
crickets
(25,987 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)All were polite noises with no firm date. Staff requests for WH meetings with firm dates were rebuffed as we heard in testimony.
"It takes time, everyone was busy, there was a hurricane..." Whinging on about a Warsaw meeting when the White House meeting in the Oval Office was the real point.
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Look over there president trump is so good and looks out for all of you.
They are actually ignoring the elephant in the room.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)backtoblue
(11,346 posts)Makes the case we need additional, first hand witnesses imho....
crickets
(25,987 posts)They do have some catching up to do, but here's the link:
https://twitter.com/houseintel
Also, Wonkette does a good job with rebuttals as well.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)and he was forced to meet with and attempt to negotiate with Putin.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)Ignoring that Zelensky wasn't elected at that time and his predecessor had an admin we couldn't trust, and ignoring that the Javelins we sent couldn't actually be used to defend against the Russians.
I have not missed her.
Vinca
(50,319 posts)IcyPeas
(21,925 posts)jake tapper is also saying it was a mistake for pelosi to have given out those pens..... even though there is precedent for it....
i don't understand why.....
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I'm OK with getting the recaps here. Could not handle the broadcast.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)It actually ain't that bad. I am glad that the clown show of GYMSUIT AND MOO MOO and GRATES ain't up there. THAT would be completely unwatchable.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)It's from an English mastiff, so it's a significant pile. Almost as big and nasty a pile of trump as Junior's head. Still scraping trump off my shoe.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)ETA -->
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)are much more likely, that given the 'Bolton bombshell' the prospect of calling no witnesses would be ridiculous. He thinks there may be as many as 10 senators who will vote *at least* for Bolton if not more witnesses.
He said there were definite rumblings, and seemed sincere. Interesting.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,509 posts)Running in and out today and just catching bits of it since Starr's droning.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)(I wouldn't be surprised if the ended for the day :chuckle
IcyPeas
(21,925 posts)that is all.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)elleng
(131,240 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)There is so much stuff that has been put out there about Gholiani, let alone where Ghouliani has slimed himself.
crickets
(25,987 posts)Seques right into claiming election shenanigans with Russia are the real conspiracy theory and *barf* the condescension level just ratcheted up to 11.
eta Are they really going to try to make Rudy Giuliani some sort of shining star in all of this? Unbelievable. Literally.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)And she is trying to polish the turd.
elleng
(131,240 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Ghouliani was such a prolific presence on TV that his "testimony" was out there for all to see regarding his doing shake downs, hanging out with with slimy figures like Parnas and Furman, and manufacturing CT.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)malaise
(269,237 posts)refusal to mention the Bolton bombshell.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212915610
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)Always a method to their madness.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Shiny objects to distract from the holes in your case, she said.
...
WTH was the video evidence of legislators holding pens?! Literally involved shiny objects as a topic of distraction.