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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEric Garland - They're not trying to win the case. They're trying to destroy the institutions.
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Beakybird
(3,333 posts)joost5
(421 posts)bookmarking this discussion as a good reminder of what we're up against.
We are at war with the oligarchs and fascists that hate democracy, who secretly want slavery back, who want to rewrite the constitution in their perverted top-down image. Let's beat them back.
Redouble efforts to Get Out The Vote.
Write post cards. Vote with your $s. Make calls.
Do what you can for your local political group to elect candidates to fight them.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)quoting malaise, "Get thee to the greatest page RFN!"
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I knew most of this, but not framed in such an alarming way.
dalton99a
(81,637 posts)dchill
(38,565 posts)Hekate
(90,867 posts)...tossed down the Senate front steps.
RESIST
Kid Berwyn
(14,994 posts)Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
The Guardian, Sat 25 Sep 2004 18.59 EDT
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
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The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.
Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Its like an empire of evil.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)BSdetect
(8,999 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Why not? Life is all I have.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)If I had a sheet cake handy I'd be shoveling it in, Tina Fey-style.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,156 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2020, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)
Initech
(100,108 posts)40 years of Reagan's anti-government propaganda brought us to this point. These fuckers are blood thirsty and will burn the country down to achieve their goals. We must stop them at all costs.
dchill
(38,565 posts)ecstatic
(32,751 posts)What's our next move?
Roland99
(53,342 posts)My hope is many independents will be dissuaded by all the investigations, arrests, convictions, tariffs, bullying, etc
CrispyQ
(36,540 posts)KT2000
(20,593 posts)They think they already have it in the bag. How else can anyone explain Barr, Pompeo, Steven Miller, the children of the thug, the Secretaries of all US departments.
Dictators and despots are not intelligent people, just supported by those who hope to become the oligarchs.
Democracy as a worldwide goal is young and still a test for humanity.
live love laugh
(13,164 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)live love laugh
(13,164 posts)Ive been saying this for three years. Nothing is funny, or dumb about Trump and the RepubLIEclowns.
Botany
(70,614 posts)C. Pierce said it today with something like the Trump defense team is using Russian talking points.
bucolic_frolic
(43,368 posts)Truth is power. Their game is exposed. But they must be defeated. Think, people. Don't focus on today's game, think ahead, try to tease out their next move.
KPN
(15,665 posts)witnesses by Senate vote or WH claim of executive privilege, acquit, win 2020 with foreign help (influencing, hacking) and voter suppression. Boom, done. Whats left?
Different Drummer
(7,652 posts)DD
NEOBuckeye
(2,781 posts)They need to be exposed, tried, convicted and put away behind bars--every one of these conspirators against democracy--for life.
Prosecute and put the screws so fucking hard to these bastards that they scream, beg and plead for mercy. And let their screams fall on deaf ears.
Seize and re-appropriate their money and assets to repair all of the damage they have done to this country and the planet.
Maybe it ultimately amounts to a drop in the bucket, but it's a start.
And it will demonstrate to all, for all time, that even the most massive amounts of money and power cannot indefinitely shield you from the consequences of wrongdoing.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)for decades. Well, surprise, we're armed, too.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)orleans
(34,085 posts)i googled and got some weird ass piece on slate.
still not clear who this guy is
dexdah
(45 posts)He is a good read, but it is heavy stuff. Hes been at it a while now.
Ponietz
(3,043 posts)yonder
(9,682 posts)Docreed2003
(16,884 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Until today, I did not know who Eric Garland was. I'll not make that mistake tomorrow.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)poli-junkie
(1,007 posts)KPN
(15,665 posts)PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)Nitram
(22,913 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)JT99
(36 posts)Big K&R! Thank you for posting this!
Midnight Writer
(21,819 posts)My Conspiracy Theory train.
Funny, nobody laughs at my paranoid ass anymore.
Instead, they ask me what I think about all this.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)58Sunliner
(4,419 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)There used to be the "Red scare" during the 50s and hunts for Communists,generated by Republicans and now the Republican party, (half of them at least),seem to want a Putin-like-government. DID non of these REPUBLICANS even go to High school?
dustyscamp
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Roland99
(53,342 posts)Martin Eden
(12,880 posts)calimary
(81,527 posts)Id like to see every individual pictured in that thread behind bars.
Boomerproud
(7,971 posts)have a clue. What are they replacing democracy with?
Aussie105
(5,451 posts)and you will get all the answers.
Trump has modelled himself on President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho of the above film.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:43 AM - Edit history (2)
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, a former porn star, comes accross as far better than Agent Orange, because he is, in his own right, bizarrely likeable...
He is completely different than Agent Orange. Instead of trampling on somebody smarter than him, he elevates him, even sharing power with him in the end, after he has gone through his (bad) bout on his advice. And he is trying to look out for his people, rather than himself (albeit they are stupid as... water, like in the toilet?).
I'd like to defend Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho...!
FM123
(10,054 posts)2naSalit
(86,858 posts)That's it as succinctly as it could possibly be expressed!!
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)But here's the thing: a lot of folks don't care. Because they know they're going to get the fuzzy end of the lollipop no matter what happens. When a social system glibly makes and then cynically breaks as many promises to as many people as this one has, crushing apathy, and a desire to get a little of your own back, however possible, becomes widespread. Oppression does not have to be "real" to be perceived, and to incite those who feel oppressed to react in reflex rebellious, uncooperative ways. It is foolish and futile to expect people who fall in this category to share Mr Garland's concerns.
-- Mal
czarjak
(11,301 posts)And laugh about it! Job#1?
babydollhead
(2,231 posts)CrispyQ
(36,540 posts)He hasn't had time to campaignbusy doing The People's work.
RVN VET71
(2,698 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,156 posts)The GOP insistence on calling it "Democrat Party" works for their vilification of democracy itself. Whether intentional or as a casualty of their war on Dems, it is destroying both parties and democracy itself. Maybe that's fine with about 25% of the nation, but all Dems need to speak like Schiff and sound an eloquent alarm.