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Stinky The Clown

(67,832 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:25 AM Jan 2020

I . Dont . Trust . John . Bolton

All this coy bullshit. No to the House. Yeah, maybe to the Senate.

Leaked manuscript. No comment from Bolton.

Bolton, a conservative conservative.

He's got an angle here. Not sure what.

But I don't trust him.

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I . Dont . Trust . John . Bolton (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 OP
Like it's a ruse? Apple Fritter Jan 2020 #1
If there is a disparity between what he wrote and spoke at trial, he'll be flushed as a liar. TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #18
Ratings are all they care about. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #25
I don't either, but Trump fired him, and Bolton is known to be The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #2
Yes. Bolton is doing this for Bolton and will help us as a by product. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #3
I heard an interesting and plausible theory that it's needed to allow his book to be published groundloop Jan 2020 #15
And rightly so. I'm all "Show us the goods" Hekate Jan 2020 #4
Yes there are many good reasons to distrust John Bolton. But comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #5
Selling a book for his retirement... pbmus Jan 2020 #6
I agree larwdem Jan 2020 #7
Well, I trust he hates Trump. nt SunSeeker Jan 2020 #8
He might just not like DJT JohnnyRingo Jan 2020 #9
I want him kept the hell out of government Warpy Jan 2020 #10
I don't trust him either. Remember, not long ago wnylib Jan 2020 #11
Sounds like a likely scenario flamingdem Jan 2020 #19
Your thinking is rational, anyone associated with the reThuglicans these days CAN NOT be trusted. uponit7771 Jan 2020 #12
Both things can be true genxlib Jan 2020 #13
+1 Mersky Jan 2020 #35
Well, Fox news is assaulting Bolton Chakaconcarne Jan 2020 #14
Join the club... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #16
....Bolton is a fascist rat-fucker..... Toorich Jan 2020 #17
Me either. zentrum Jan 2020 #20
He is the poster child for the stupidist of all idiots ArizonaLib Jan 2020 #21
I think he's at least on the side of the United States of America, unlike the White House occupants paulkienitz Jan 2020 #22
I don't trust him either. bdamomma Jan 2020 #23
I think his motive might be to save his own reputation Redleg Jan 2020 #24
Neither do I RandySF Jan 2020 #26
revenge and cashing out. unblock Jan 2020 #27
I. Agree. With. You. rzemanfl Jan 2020 #28
You. Are. Not. Alone... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #29
I feel like we are being set up. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #30
Donald Trump doesn't trust John Bolton. He fears him. That's a good sign. PubliusEnigma Jan 2020 #31
Neither. Do. I. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #32
Will he contradict his own book? Johnny2X2X Jan 2020 #33
The leaker burned that bridge in a major way. Mopar151 Jan 2020 #36
K.A.C. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #37
Agreed JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #34
No doubt he has an end game... raising2moredems Jan 2020 #38
I don't trust him in the least. LisaM Jan 2020 #39
The reason to trust Bolton in this case is that Trump fired him and he is out for revenge. It's that Nitram Jan 2020 #40

Apple Fritter

(131 posts)
1. Like it's a ruse?
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:34 AM
Jan 2020

Like they leaked this intentionally to get Bolton as the priority witness. If there's any witnesses, it will be Bolton and he'll say I made it all up ;there's no quid pro quo. Then suddenly, He gets a pay out from somewhere (we'll never know). Nothing Happens to Trump, Bolton gets another book deal, and GOP looks impartial still having brought in witnesses and heard the goose(bolton)sing. GOP Congress pulls off ....I don't know what that scheme is called... I am sure there's a chest move about this.

Let me go make a tin foil hat, but I think it is a plausible theory. 1 thing is for certain, Trump isn't the mastermind of such a scheme.

TheBlackAdder

(28,232 posts)
18. If there is a disparity between what he wrote and spoke at trial, he'll be flushed as a liar.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jan 2020

.

He'll go from on the outs with Republicans now, to pretty much entering the Rick Santorum zone.

He'll only be hired by CNN, who seems to like to hiring mendacious and hypocritical GOP motherfuckers.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,909 posts)
2. I don't either, but Trump fired him, and Bolton is known to be
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:38 AM
Jan 2020

a vindictive SOB. I'd guess he is really more interested in screwing Trump than in screwing the Democrats, not only because Trump fired him but because he clearly believes Trump is an incompetent lunatic who is incapable of advancing Bolton's neocon foreign policy and is more likely to make matters exponentially worse for conservatives.

groundloop

(11,528 posts)
15. I heard an interesting and plausible theory that it's needed to allow his book to be published
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

The thinking was that there are things in his book which he can't release because the White House has deemed them to be damaging to national security. The minute he testifies under oath about those things in an open hearing they're in the public domain and therefore book fodder.

I have no idea how true this is, but knowing that Bolton only cares about Bolton it makes perfect sense.

comradebillyboy

(10,179 posts)
5. Yes there are many good reasons to distrust John Bolton. But
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:20 AM
Jan 2020

for the moment, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. After all we were allied with Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union in WW2. And rightly so.

JohnnyRingo

(18,665 posts)
9. He might just not like DJT
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:11 AM
Jan 2020

It's not hard to imagine he was insulted by a carnival barker who professed to know more than him. Probably called Bolton stupid more than once.

Warpy

(111,388 posts)
10. I want him kept the hell out of government
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:17 AM
Jan 2020

Let him be a lobbyist for defense contractors but keep him away from anything to do with policy. He's just got too big a bug up his ass about Iran.

However, if this is making the whole coverup collapse we owe him some gratitude, even if he's not the one who leaked the contents.

Of course he's got an angle. It might simply be deodorant after participating in a criminal administration. It might be more complex.

I honestly don't care as long as he's not in government.

wnylib

(21,673 posts)
11. I don't trust him either. Remember, not long ago
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:39 AM
Jan 2020

he met with Moscow Mitch. I am sure they discussed the possibility of him testifying. Mitch and Trump's lawyers want to make Hunter and/or Joe testify in order to deflect attention from Trump's guilt and justify the investigation.

The leak of the Bolton manuscript provokes calls for Bolton to testify. So far, all we know about the manuscript is that Bolton confirmed that Trump told him about the Biden investigation. For all we know, Bolton might play both sides against each other by claiming that the Biden investigation was valid, but he disagreed with the aid being withheld.

At any rate, the call for Bolton to testify will create an equal call for one or both Bidens to testify.

I just do not think that Bolton is a reliable person to count on.

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
19. Sounds like a likely scenario
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jan 2020

Russia hacked into Burisma. Watch "information" come out about the Bidens - planted of course - and the timing of that with Bolton's wishy washy testimony

genxlib

(5,546 posts)
13. Both things can be true
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:46 AM
Jan 2020

I don’t trust him at all either.

But Occam's Razor tells me it is what it looks like. Bolton doesn’t like DJT and is angry about being pushed out. He is also not crazy about the way he cozies you to dictators. While Bolton has a particular issue with Iran, he is a hardliner across the board.

Bear in mind that worse case for him right now is that he gets Pence. More likely, the Senate will still acquit and he comes out smelling like a rose.

I suspect that He saw two options; sit on the info and eat the book or come out with the relevant information now. If he held and published later, he would have been hated by everyone. And he would have been responsible for anything that happens in the next year ( or five god forbid)

Toorich

(391 posts)
17. ....Bolton is a fascist rat-fucker.....
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jan 2020

..... but he's got no reason to lie about tRump. The unvarnished truth is always
enough when you're talking about Putin's plaything.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
21. He is the poster child for the stupidist of all idiots
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jan 2020

He is going to either find himself in prison or will need immunity from Democrats to stay out. He is in on the crimes of this administration and he thinks that because he got fired by Trump, no one cares about his hide. He's sticking it out there, though.

bdamomma

(63,931 posts)
23. I don't trust him either.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jan 2020

But when those who testified he told them to "lawyer up". He's a slime case, he was not going to say anything until his book came out, he wants profits from how many buy his book. Sneaky thing.

and maybe he wants to throw Rudy under the bus.

Redleg

(5,860 posts)
24. I think his motive might be to save his own reputation
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

I don't think Bolton is doing what he's doing to curry favor with the Dems. I believe that Bolton sees Trump as in uninformed, incurious, and impulsive person who often doesn't have the good of the nation in mind when he treats with foreign officials. Bolton likely sees himself as the anti-thesis to this and doesn't want to be tarnished by Trump's foreign policy blunders (e.g., the Kurdish blunder in Syria, the North Korean blunder, the Ukraine cluster, etc.).

Bolton has played coy when it comes to testifying. I think he has been calculating the costs/benefits of doing so, which to some extent, could place his own self-interest ahead of the nation's.

Johnny2X2X

(19,211 posts)
33. Will he contradict his own book?
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jan 2020

I don't trust him either, but he's got his own version already in print and has the self interest of wanting to make as much money as possible off the book. To contradict his own book now would cost him a lot of money.

Mopar151

(10,004 posts)
36. The leaker burned that bridge in a major way.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jan 2020

If he changes a word now, it'll be too late! Only the "original" will actually sell.

raising2moredems

(641 posts)
38. No doubt he has an end game...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 12:04 AM
Jan 2020

But I'd lay odds the cheeto is the prime target. He's not a captive house/senate member scared shitless about re-election. However I'd not trust him farther than I could throw him.

LisaM

(27,846 posts)
39. I don't trust him in the least.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jan 2020

But if he and the GOP want to do some kind of gladiator death match on the floor of the Senate, it's okay by me.

Nitram

(22,915 posts)
40. The reason to trust Bolton in this case is that Trump fired him and he is out for revenge. It's that
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

simple. The other reason to trust him is that he is doing this for profit. No way he'd risk losing all the book money by refusing to support what's in the book. Motive, my man, motive.

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