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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,304 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:00 PM Jan 2020

Senator Doug Jones says Trump team made 'persuasive' argument against obstruction article

WASHINGTON – Sen. Doug Jones, a key Senate Democrat considered one of the chamber's most endangered senators going into the 2020 race, found some of the arguments made by President Donald Trump's counsel "persuasive" and highlighted concerns he has over the second article of impeachment.

Jones, D-Ala., in a brief interview with USA TODAY Monday evening, said he's taken about 240 pages worth of notes so far throughout the trial. He says he's made stars next to key arguments and acknowledged he's wrestling over whether he will find the president guilty or vote to acquit him — a decision that would almost certainly hang over his future in the Senate.

"He did make some good points on a couple of things on factual issues that I've got concerns about with, especially with regard to Article II," Jones said of the arguments made by Alan Dershowitz, a member of Trump's counsel defending him during the trial.

Jones' vote on impeachment likely won't determine Trump's fate. To remove the president from office, a supermajority of 67 senators would have to vote to convict the president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/key-senate-democrat-says-trump-team-made-persuasive-argument-against-obstruction-article/ar-BBZoop9?li=BBnb7Kz

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Senator Doug Jones says Trump team made 'persuasive' argument against obstruction article (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 OP
If Jones is to have any chance at all getting re-elected calguy Jan 2020 #1
And still won't win Thrill Jan 2020 #7
Dershowitz is all wrong, though NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #2
If he votes to acquit, all of his money dries up. He will be a man on an island. scheming daemons Jan 2020 #3
He gets an Alabama Mulligan Jersey Devil Jan 2020 #4
Article II is a slam dunk. Zero doubt of guilt here, and a dangerous precedent going forward. Midnight Writer Jan 2020 #5
I wonder about Jones...he pulled off an upset in Alabama, does he not trust his voters to ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #6
No Alabama didn't like his opponent at all jimfields33 Jan 2020 #8
You're right, I do wish the best for Senator Jones. He is inbetween a rock and hard place, but... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #14
Is the man dumb as a stump? wtf Lars39 Jan 2020 #9
educate yourself, Doug. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #10
He's going to lose in November, why disgrace yourself and vote with Trump anyways? tritsofme Jan 2020 #11
It never works jcgoldie Jan 2020 #12
Can we go back and vote for the pedophile? lame54 Jan 2020 #13
You win the thread. 11 Bravo Jan 2020 #15
He is going lose anyway standingtall Jan 2020 #16
I guess Jones liked his brief stint as a U.S. Senator DFW Jan 2020 #17
The second article is ironclad pecosbob Jan 2020 #18

calguy

(5,338 posts)
1. If Jones is to have any chance at all getting re-elected
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jan 2020

he's going to have to vote to acquit. That's what his constituents want and this is who he represents.

Midnight Writer

(21,819 posts)
5. Article II is a slam dunk. Zero doubt of guilt here, and a dangerous precedent going forward.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jan 2020

Probably doesn't matter how Doug Jones votes, but i hope he doesn't set total obstruction of Congress as an accepted practice.

SWBTATTReg

(22,176 posts)
6. I wonder about Jones...he pulled off an upset in Alabama, does he not trust his voters to ...
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jan 2020

reelect him if he should vote against rump and cronies? I thought enough voters in Alabama were sick and tired of the republican games being played and thus, voted Jones in for a little house cleaning.

jimfields33

(16,021 posts)
8. No Alabama didn't like his opponent at all
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

This time it’s session. Won’t be easy. I hope senator Jones can find a way to win but it is our most difficult seat.

SWBTATTReg

(22,176 posts)
14. You're right, I do wish the best for Senator Jones. He is inbetween a rock and hard place, but...
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jan 2020

perhaps with his record so far of not alienating his voters, perhaps he'll be a shoo in? We can only hope...

I was hoping that the voters in Alabama have had a reckoning, being that parts of the state are 'liberal', such as Huntsville, the rocket capital of the US (or one of them), that launched the successful series of rockets into space. Such intelligence and smarts, all concentrated in the northern part of Alabama. I still have family there in Alabama, and do hold out hope for the state to show the rest of the South the way to go, in governing.

jcgoldie

(11,655 posts)
12. It never works
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jan 2020

When these guys from red states straddle the fence and grasp at corrupt republicanism to keep their job they just lose their office and their integrity... eg Donnelly, McCaskill, et al...

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
16. He is going lose anyway
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:46 PM
Jan 2020

and it would look horrible for us if 1 or 2 Democrats along with every republican senator to acquit Trump. Both Manchin and Jones both need to vote to convict Trump period.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
17. I guess Jones liked his brief stint as a U.S. Senator
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

But he ran against pedophilia, not the Alabama Republican Party.

This time, they are not running a child molester, but probably the same guy who had that seat (and securely) four years ago. Jones could wear red suits and ties, and record gospel albums singing Trump's praises, and STILL lose his seat if he runs against Sessions. He might as well go down with honor (like Heidi Heitkamp in 2018) than groveling for reality not to step on him, which it will anyway.

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
18. The second article is ironclad
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jan 2020

The first article is at least debatable on some level IMO but the obstruction of Congress should have no defense particularly from a Dem.

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