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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe election will be hacked
by the Russians and the republicans we are watching prop up trump will prop up a stolen election. I wish the managers would introduce that to the American public.
I just watched The Great Hack about Cambridge Analytica and one thing that was telling was their way of using smaller countries to test their methods. That has already happened with hacks into American government agencies. We know about the ones where they were caught but are there others that were not caught. No one is doing much to stop this from happening.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)When I holler about that, people here blame me of being defeatist.
But Mueller, Wray, Coats and Comey all told us UNDER OATH that election 2020 is being rigged AS WE SIT HERE.
Can't risk waiting for the election.
States are still buying hackable systems.
Mitch refuses to bring legislation to protect elections for a vote!
Localities are still purging voters!
We know what's needed for a safe election.
HAND MARKED PAPER BALLOTS
VOTER VERIFIABLE
BALLOT SECURITY
AUDIT TRAIL
HAND COUNTED
The best info is tracked by Jennifer Cohn. She has a youtube presence, and also on twitter @jennycohn1
diva77
(7,667 posts)and not just by Russians.
We need to GOTV in LANDSLIDE proportions. If you can choose to have a hand-marked paper ballot -- whether by mail-in or at the polls, do so.
KT2000
(20,591 posts)I'll check her out.
Turin_C3PO
(14,087 posts)what can we do about the issues you mention when Republicans control many states? Our only hope is to overcome GOP/ Russian shenanigans by getting a record number of people to vote for our side, up AND down ticket.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)I think they are played by the gop "friends" as much as the targeted general public is conned
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)The GOP have opened the floodgates.
BigmanPigman
(51,642 posts)the 12 points we will lose due to hacks, social media, bots, etc.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,642 posts)One of Bill Maher's guests said the same thing. What is that called in Sports, a Handycap?
rockfordfile
(8,708 posts)dchill
(38,562 posts)... substantial, right?
Kablooie
(18,642 posts)Most of the country they can ignore.
triron
(22,026 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)KT2000
(20,591 posts)who else is so easy to get what they want. He is above the law.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... counting in states
Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)I hope the Dems have a plan.
denem
(11,045 posts)High on the hill, he's Putin's bitch.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)he believes it's in the national interest, even when it's regarding his own reelection if he says "it's in the national interest" then it's perfectly fine by Dershowitz' standard.
KT2000
(20,591 posts)to say that, on the record, tells us how far things have gotten. That in itself should be the reason the republicans should vote for removal.
renate
(13,776 posts)I'm sure they'd have rolled right over just like they're doing now.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Which is very comforting...for Trump and Putin!
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,466 posts)If we can select a dem candidate that won't give them that narrative, it will make it harder...
Right now, the only candidates I see that won't give them a solid narrative is Buttigieg or Klobuchar.
Can't the house start looking into election issues?
The "fix" was in before Trump was even took the oath of office, in which he has failed miserably.
live love laugh
(13,161 posts)I dont understand why we want to look over there instead of in our own back yard at our own election vendors and safeguards when we know votes were switched in Florida in 2000.
KT2000
(20,591 posts)but they were close to getting caught and the Russians would avoid that
live love laugh
(13,161 posts)domestic interference.
Afromania
(2,771 posts)If our systems are wide open what stops our allies from counterhacking? I mean, most of the entire world needs us to stop being insane. For that to happen the gop and the trump mob has to go. If I were in say South Korea/Japan I'd have my cyber command ready to make sure that dump gets tossed. Him being in power puts that whole area in danger from that idiot he "fell in in love" with.
doc03
(35,389 posts)to do whatever he wants.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)everyone knows. Our elections will be hacked. We've heard it for years. States run their elections as they like. If people just called their Secretary of State's office and questioned the security and accuracy of their vote, things might happen? Maybe an advertising campaign that explains the steps we can take to protect our elections. The people in every state need to act. You would think everyone would want their vote to count. This federal government we have now, is useful to no one.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)It was Friday, October 21st, 2016. In two weeks, Americans would pick a new president. When Ferrante, a director in the White Houses cybersecurity team, realized the internet had gone dark across the country, he feared the worst. Ferrante thought he was witnessing a dry run for an attack on the election.
A native of Portland, Maine, with pale Nordic features and a sharp widows peak, Ferrante hacked his first computer when he was 10 and studied computer science at Fordham... when the September 11th attacks happened. He quit corporate America, joined the FBI, and specialized in tracking terrorists on the internet; in his first case at the bureau, he helped foil the terrorist plot to blow up the PATH train tunnel between New York and New Jersey. Over the next decade, he rose to become one of the FBIs top cyber-security agents and helped write President Obamas directive that created the first chain of command in the event of a major cyberattack on U.S. soil.
...Four years ago, for an embarrassingly modest price, Russia pulled off one of the more audacious acts of election interference in modern history. The Internet Research Agency, the team of Kremlin-backed online propagandists, spent $15 million to $20 million and wreaked havoc on the psyche of the American voter... Russian intelligence agents carried out the digital version of Watergate, infiltrating the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign, stealing tens of thousands of emails, and weaponizing them in the days and weeks before the election.
Russian-based hackers tested election websites in all 50 states for weak spots, like burglars casing a would-be target. The Russians were testing whether our windows were open, rattling our doors to see whether they were locked, and found the windows and doors wide open, says Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. The fact that they didnt interject themselves more dramatically into our election was, I think, almost luck.
Weve made progress since the last election but were much less secure than we should be. To use Sen. Warners analogy, the windows and doors are no longer wide open, but the burglars are more sophisticated, and there are a lot more of them than there were four years ago.
They may try to break into our voting systems; they may push online propaganda to merely create the impression of an attack as a way to undermine our faith in the electoral process. The target is the minds of the American people, says Joshua Geltzer, a former counterterrorism director on the National Security Council. In some ways, were less vulnerable than we were in 2016. In other ways, its more.
Nearly every expert agrees on this: The worst-case scenario, the one we need to prepare for, is a situation that causes Americans to question the bedrock of our democracy free and fair elections. If such a catastrophe occurred and the integrity of a national election came into doubt, Michael Daniel, the former cybersecurity coordinator in the Obama White House who now runs the Cyber Threat Alliance, isnt sure the country would ever be the same.
Experts who study election systems in the U.S. say many flaws remain. Some counties and states still use outdated voting equipment and insecure election software: At the 2018 DEFCON hacker conference, an 11-year-old hacked into a copycat version of Floridas state election website and changed vote totals in less than 10 minutes.
Only three states conduct mandatory, scientifically rigorous post-election audits to ensure the final vote count is accurate. Were still in a situation going into 2020 where there are significant gaps left in the security of election infrastructure, says J. Alex Halderman, a University of Michigan computer science professor who studies voting equipment. Until we ensure that all of the doors are locked, there will be ample opportunity for foreign adversaries to disrupt or, in the worst-case scenario, change the outcome of close elections.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-election-hacking-russia-iran-ransomware-interference-938109/
KT2000
(20,591 posts)frightening.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)attention.
We've known what it will take. I posted extensive advice from DEFCON hackers about what would have to be done. Nothing's been done.
Hackers are taking their own inititiative in battleground states, but they are doing this under cover so that they're not obstructed by politicians with an interest in winning by any means necessary.
Our Fifth Column is real.