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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/30/20 THREAD 4****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212928625
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212929057
Thread 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212929614
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)with the head of a foreign government?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)a total binfull!
Mersky
(4,986 posts)For idk, his second day of this crap
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)Every question is a loaded one! And the senators can choose which side gets to answer it? What a fricking joke.
The format is wrong! All questions by republicans should be answered only by the House managers, and vice versa.
C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)North Korea does a better job at justice.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)🙏
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)legitimacy of the role of the Chief Justice and the Supreme Court?
crickets
(25,987 posts)CJ presides, the Senate tries and decides - he doesn't want to let the Senate Repubs off the hook.
"Oh, my god, we can't hear what John Bolton has to say!"
Right matters, a fair trial matters, and the American people deserve it. If they don't get it, that will just contribute to the corrosive cynicism prevalent.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)the cynicism of the public, that is corrosive.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)the McDonnell v. U.S. case regarding bribery?
(note that case was regarding the GOP governor of VA)
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)So does this make it legal for a President to invite other countries like Russia and China, etc., to dig up damaging info on political opponents?
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Video starts with the reading of the question - approx 1.5 mins from the end is especially good, imo:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851027/user-clip-schiff-answering-bribery
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)on defining how the House does it charges. WH's convoluted legal arguments do not address the fact that the President violated multiple acts including bribery, whistleblower act, Impoundment control act, etc, and abused his power.
malaise
(269,220 posts)no they don't
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)be considered fair?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)(they are afraid)
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Sekulow needs help with the unfwairness of needing to call witnesses and documents to run a real trial. Oh, and I think he said hes tainted, or something.
Kali
(55,026 posts)maybe what he sees in a mirror?
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Is a walking perineum infection.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Kali
(55,026 posts)oh god, we don't have time to find out the truth
crickets
(25,987 posts)*flop sweat* It's hard work!
jaysus.
wildflower
(3,196 posts)Even one more would be just too many!
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)when specific processes were followed to do this - including a required notification to Congress about a hold and/or any changes. No one knew why it happened.
The one who could shed light on this - Mr. Bolton - is being blocked.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)You managed the question and a paragraph about the answer in 2 posts, while I got a 1-line summary of the answer in 1 post.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)nolabear
(41,999 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)If doing his job - and a fair trial here is included in that - if doing his job is too much danged trouble for him, he should go home and let a real American step up to do it for him. "Oh, it would go on and on, and how would we ever get to the end of it?" That question is not just rhetorical, buddy. And you know it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Nothing but CTs. It's hard to keep count.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)(....while ignoring Ghouliani )
crickets
(25,987 posts)and Steele worked for Fusion GPS?
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)The WH tried to make it sound like Clinton hired Steele (British) directly and that somehow is in the same ballpark as what Trump has done. Uh, nope.
Thanks, BumRushDaShow!
nolabear
(41,999 posts)I swear to god Id be in jail for murder by now.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)was classified.
(you mean the one that was sent out to people as the "transcript" that was high classification and only a remnant was sent out?)
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Now going after Pence claiming he knew nothing. But the "transcript" referenced was Pence's call.
crickets
(25,987 posts)Congressional members were able to go read it in a SCIF somewhere or something? But were not allowed to divulge its contents.
IIRC one congresscritter later came out and said there was no reason for it to be classified.
IcyPeas
(21,916 posts)NEWS: Jennifer Williams, the Pence aide who testified to House impeachment investigators, is leaving the VP's office,
@NatashaBertrand and @dlippman report.
Shes leaving early, her detail was supposed to end in two months.
Link to tweet
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Her last day is Monday.
She's had another job lined up for months apparently.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Hadnt seen that news, and is curious.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)and it only became "bipartisan" after all the facts came out.
For Clinton impeachment - start partisan and ended partisan. But had nothing to do with a Presidential function. I.e., for Clinton - never had a high crime or misdemeanor.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)for the Senate.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)(not open ended)
crickets
(25,987 posts)Proposal being made to opposing counsel is reasonable accommodation as the Constitution allows.
If any disputes over whether witnesses are material or documents were privileged, the CJ could rule.
Boom. All whiny Repub objections are shown to be whiny whines.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)underpants
(182,950 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)impeachments.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)(despite the fact that the President announced that he could do anything he wanted)
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)would want their own witness. So does the President havea witness who can address the charges? (split question)
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Includes question:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851038/user-clip-schiffs-response-coons
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,536 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)and laughing at how they were calling the witnesses the House wants "your witnesses" ignoring that they are the President's men!
crickets
(25,987 posts)Schiff points out that the president's witness list doesn't include Mulvaney or Pompeo or OMB head (Mulvaney; Duffey is Assoc Dir and the guy who signed the hold) because their honest testimony under oath would incriminate him.
eta and now WH whiney whine whine "But we want to call the Bidens! It's not fair!" Yikes.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)despite the fact those witnesses ARE WH staff!!
crickets
(25,987 posts)"You know, we can just let CJ Roberts make a ruling on whether a witness is material to the case."
I didn't hear WH counsel touching that point.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)I couldn't keep up -- questions, answers, who and wwhat.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)and still have been rewinding my cable feed every once in awhile to get the gist of the questions before I could even post them.
cp
(6,670 posts)Really appreciate the work!
Been watching just about ALL of it (sound muted on the farce squad mostly) but grateful to see what other DUers are saying.
We're from Wisconsin: our Senator Baldwin has asked some good questions. As for RoJo, we apologize on behalf of the whole state.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)spanone
(135,900 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)spanone
(135,900 posts)Prof.Higgins
(194 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Are the concerns well founded?
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)is the most partisan of all, and it's the Republicans who are being partisan.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)1. Check out the video posted for Crows presentation of Evolution in Solicitation (from the first live thread for 1/30/20)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4850929/user-clip-evolution-solicitation
2. Consider this clip of graham (@ 2 mins in) dated June 13, 2019:
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Ari Melber played that clip of graham during the dinner break. Was a good reminder of the shifting ways of lindsey.
BumRushDaShow
(129,668 posts)Would they be willing to have the Chief Justice decide on the relevancy?