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(102,419 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)bombshell?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)I missed both stories.
The first one would trigger at least one subpoena if this were a real, sane trial.
The second looks more like politico trying to stir the pot with speculation.
bdamomma
(63,931 posts)Kali, for posting these, I feel a little better by reading this. I do not want to hear anyone crowing especially Moscow Mitch and tRump the thug.
Kali
(55,026 posts)the chaos of drumpf affects everything
lamp_shade
(14,846 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)lamp_shade
(14,846 posts)in2herbs
(2,947 posts)a judicial decision about whether to call witnesses?
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)and obviously Democrats are in the minority and would not be able to pass any amendments without GOP support.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,664 posts)Executive Privilege has now been officially waived with this tweet. Defense lawyers have to answer to this today.
Link to tweet
POTUS statement: I never instructed John Bolton to set up a meeting for Rudy Giuliani, one of the greatest corruption fighters in America and by far the greatest mayor in the history of N.Y.C., to meet with President Zelensky. That meeting never happened
Link to tweet
Mersky
(4,986 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The only way Trump testifies on this, is if the secret service arrests every one of his defense lawyers, for trying to physically stop Trump from walking onto the senate floor.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)....real turtle like.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Before pledging allegiance for unknown reasons.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)"We reap what we sow..."
(I swear this guy is amazing )
irisblue
(33,036 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)better
(884 posts)he ain't holding back!
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)AND he has a slide up there!!
gademocrat7
(10,676 posts)denem
(11,045 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Mr. Trump gave the instruction, Mr. Bolton wrote, in the Oval Office in early May and in front of the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, the presidents personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, who is now leading the presidents impeachment defense.
The account supports testimony from witnesses who testified in the House impeachment inquiry, including Gordon D. Sondland, who said that everyone was in the loop.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/trump-impeachment-trial-01-31
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851265/user-clip-schiff-covers-nyt-bolton-piece
Go to 01:10 for the slide.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Kali
(55,026 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)
Fundamental fairness requires evidence in trials
History And Precedent: New evidence in all 15 full Senate impeachment trials
1. Witnesses in every trial
2. Average witnesses heard: 33
3. Hundreds or thousands of pages of new documents
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:45 PM - Edit history (2)
Impeached Official - # Witnesses
Judge Pickering (1804) - 11
Justice Chase (1805) - 49
Judge Peck (1830-31) - 19
Judge Humphreys (1862) - 9
President Johnson (1868) - 40
Sec. of War Belknap (1876) - 40
Judge Swayne (1905) - 44
Judge Archibald (1913) - 112
Judge Louderback (1933) - 44
Judge Ritter (1936) - 25
Judge Claiborne (1986) - 19
Judge Hastings (1989) - 55
Judge Nixon (1989) - 3
Judge Porteous (2010) - 26
Average # Witnesses per Senate Trial: 33
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)elleng
(131,202 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)WH counsel cherry-picked transcripts and left out the revised statements by witnesses that reversed their original testimony.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:26 PM - Edit history (2)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851289/user-clip-garcia-reviews-wh-counsel-claimsGo to 03:50 for Cippy footage
nolabear
(41,999 posts)He went Samuel L. Jackson on them! I wish I had it on loop.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)It's whether the American people can get a fair trial. Americans deserve a fair trial.
Slide - 3/4 of voters - believe trial should have witnesses.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)(Paywall, doh! Ill add excerpts, later.)
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)All questions we can get the answers to.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Let's ask John Bolton what Ghouliani WAS doing. He would know.
Also called him a "hand grenade".
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)The idea that somehow testifying to what you think is true is destructive to the system of government we have I think, is very nearly the reverse the exact reverse of the truth, said Bolton.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Let's just hear from Mulvaney.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,664 posts)From https://twitter.com/washingtonpost
Murkowski: "The congress has failed."
Link to tweet
LISA MURKOWSKI: It has also become clear some of my colleagues intend to further politicize this process, and drag the Supreme Court into the fray, while attacking the Chief Justice. I will not stand for nor support that effort."
Link to tweet
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)madaboutharry
(40,234 posts)It is the statement of a coward. She is throwing her hands up in the air and claiming its just too hard.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)So even if Mickey didn't testify, he's now in the official trial record.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Mossfern
(2,570 posts)the trial record means nothing to the Republicans in the Senate.
Only time will tell of the grave consequences of this debacle.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)and how DOD could no longer support this view. DOD was told by Duffy that there was a "clear direction from POTUS to continue the hold", after warning the hold was unlawful.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)including the handwritten notes and policy memoranda....
I think it's a cover-up.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,219 posts)They're given 2 hours....could they keep a half hour for rebuttal?
I really would love to see them put the double-whammy on Cippilone after he attempts to explain away his lying.
Kali
(55,026 posts)nolabear
(41,999 posts)Schiffs anger at the outset was enlivening. We need for them to yell this at the tops of their lungs. They sound like theyre asking, not demanding.
Kali
(55,026 posts)I bet that will have some passion.
nolabear
(41,999 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Had slide showing them.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)1. The pResidents obstruction compels subpoenas.
2. The Senate requires a complete record.
3. The pResident should want a fair trial.
4. The American people deserve a fair trial.
5. The requested witnesses and documents are necessary.
6. The subpoenas will not cause delay.
7. The pResident has no basis to block these witnesses and documents.
8. A No vote will have long-lasting, harmful consequences
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Each manager has been working through this list. Garcia addressed item 7, before handing the floor over to Schiff.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,219 posts)I mean, really, really, really good.
nolabear
(41,999 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Otherwise the government has become arbitrary.