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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf McConnell postpones this hearing until next Wednesday, it means...
that he doesn't have the votes. When he has the votes, he acts. He doesn't worry about the consequences. He is a cold-blooded, power-driven politician.
With Murkowski voting NO on witnesses, it is possible that there is another vote we do not know about, that would have given 4 Republicans for witnesses? Murkowski "no vote" may have only taken it back down to three votes?
If it is postponed, Mitch does not have the 51 votes needed. That is the way I see it.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)question everything
(47,544 posts)while still under indictment.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)I have no idea if there is any truth to those reports?
3_Limes
(363 posts)But I can't imagine what.
Tweedy
(628 posts)Tweedy
(628 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)touchdown dance, I'm not hopeful though.😞
Is something happening?
2naSalit
(86,843 posts)PArnas' lawyer sent a letter that's now revealed and it names a lot of names, and something else... this being after the revelation of Cipilloni's participation in the cover up.
2naSalit
(86,843 posts)it's early in the day! I stopped to check the sky activities for the day... rocky road all day with a couple blows to the bad guys early on but there's a big assed whopper of surprises coming way late tonight so that tomorrow we may awaken to a different ballgame, again.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I look away for a couple hours and stuff blows up.
2naSalit
(86,843 posts)budkin
(6,722 posts)And that's why he is giving Senators more time for closing arguments so they can try to slap some lipstick on this pig.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Think Merrick Garland. When he has the votes, he acts.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... the "no witnesses" thing.
Somethings going on, I don't think Moscow Mitch has the senate tight like Pelosi has the house ... no way.
cilla4progress
(24,783 posts)several R Senators seems to accept 1) it happened; 2) it was bad; 3) not that bad...not impeachable.
We should "let the voters decide" in the upcoming corrupted, hacked, stolen election.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)There may be some confusion and distractions amongst his caucus?
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)The optics would look bad.
The optics look like shit anyway without witnesses and documents no matter when they end it.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)McConnell doesn't want to spend all night locked up in the Senate chambers again, and neither do a number of other rethuglicans. Of course Trump cares nothing about those Senators in his pocket. He looks at it like everyone works for him, and he wants his acquittal NOW!
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)That there are a number of republican senators who want to at least deny Trump his Superbowl and SOTU victory lap and might have threatened to not vote to acquit. And because Trump and McConnell want zero defections from their side in an acquittal vote, this might be the compromise McConnell hopes to achieve.
I don't think Trump is going to like that one bit.
mopinko
(70,268 posts)the bottom line for him is the re-election of his members, esp himself.
this all looks bad enough. the victory tour was only gonna blowback.
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)To give his vulnerable members something to latch onto.
3_Limes
(363 posts)during the SOTU if the vote were beforehand. MoscowMitch may want to avoid that by not allowing the opportunity. (Which is actually a good move on his part - giving the Devil his due.)
cannabis_flower
(3,768 posts)embarrassing gloating no matter when he is acquitted.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)went head to head with Moscow Mitch about delaying the vote until Wednesday late in the day. Schummer must have had a Ad ready to roll just in case Mitch would not budge .. Old Mitch would have to eat the Optics,which is all the Orange Anus cares about,if he ran a vote today.
Kota
(901 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)being witnesses to Trump ordering Bolton to call Zelensky and ask for help getting dirt on the Bidens has thrown everything off kilter.
3_Limes
(363 posts)Do it going into the weekend. (Super Bowl weekend at that)
So they can get "it under the carpet" sooner.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)between the WH, which wants deliberation and acquittal tonight and some "moderate" Rs who don't for their own unknown/unstated reasons.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)they are well aware that whatever the vote is, an uproar is going to ensue. They may just want to delay it past the SOTU.
Essentially knowing what the outcome will be, but postponing the inevitable shit storm. May have nothing to do with votes and everything to do with managing media/propaganda timing.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)of Trump crowing about "exoneration" during the State of the Union. Especially when the "exoneration" was affected by dirty, complicit Republicans who blocked testimony from witnesses, against the wishes of 75% of the American public.
JudyM
(29,294 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)for a Bolton interview with Rachel Maddow ASAP. Or a House subpoena and hearing on Monday.
3_Limes
(363 posts)I keep hearing this idea, but there's not a chance in Hell that he would do her show! What would the other war lords think?
matt819
(10,749 posts)He clearly wants to tell his story, i.e., make money on his book. The RW doesnt want to aid him in this. They want him gone. Dems usually hate him I know I do - but the enemy of my enemy ...
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)DarthDem
(5,257 posts)Just more standard Gooper messaging tricks? The whole "Mitch doesn't have the votes to block witnesses" silliness was, what, two or three days ago?
dchill
(38,562 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)But maybe not the votes that Trump would like to see?
dchill
(38,562 posts)...victory lap. So they want to postpone. Just a guess.
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)I hope they TELL him they'll vote with him, and then stick it to him.
2naSalit
(86,843 posts)getagrip_already
(14,891 posts)Don't crowd my plate.
They are likely upset he put them into this position, and while they will suck it up and acquit him, they are still going to send the message he can't be an ass to them.
If that's their play, it will slide past the red hats in the end. It will also be lost on trump. His ego won't see it as a rebuke. He couldn't accept that. So he will blame it on someone else and wait it out.
Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)But the moment McConnell gets the votes, he will end it.
Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)that is coming out as she's on air, which has been going on for a long time, but it seems to be ever accelerating.
2naSalit
(86,843 posts)Ohioboy
(3,248 posts)It totally disgusts me to think that this whole thing is based on vote calculations and not the truth!
lastlib
(23,323 posts)And WELCOME to DU!