We need to make sure everyone knows we are having none of it, to shame any on our side who try and pretend there's something to this swill, and to blanket 'news' outlets who try and peddle these lies with angry protests and threats of boycott --- anything short of actual threats of lethal violence.


There are a damned sight more of us than there are of them.



"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

Nobody else has ever come forward with anything even similar in 40 years. It's just not believable, and the best thing to do, IMO, is stop talking about it and let it die.

She has a history of accusing others. He has no history of being accused. This is complete bullshit!

the media do an investigation to find out if she has any ties to Project Veritas.

or promise of money

Trump Truism #3: Everything Trump accuses others of doing, he's always guilty of doing the same thing.

(Trump Truism #1: Everything Trump touches dies, Trump Truism #2: Everything Trump says is a lie.)

Trump is a scumbag, hundreds if not thousands of pictures of him and VERY shady people in VERY shady situations exist. TAPES of Trump bragging about sexual assault and attempting to breakup marriages through sexual infidelity traps and affairs EXIST.

Play for me the tape of Biden saying he grabs pussies...
Cue up the video of Biden at a stag party with a dead pedophile rapist...
Read to me the accounts of the other 25+ women making similar claims against Joe Biden...

People on the right are trying to also use this horseshit to cleanse that scumbag phony Kavanaugh.

Where is Biden's calendar detailing the exploits of himself and Squiggy and 'brews and parties?
Where are the letters from Biden's graduating class wishing to distance themselves from him?

ENOUGH!

Quit falling for the whole "LOOK Squirrel!!!!!" trick over and over and over...

This kind of idiotic group-think purity BS cost Al Franken his Senate seat and the nation a gifted orator and legislator in the process.

The Biden-Trump choice is so dire, so ACTUALLY life and death to millions of us living in fear of DEATH from the virus that everyone seems to be 'just getting tired of already' that is cannot be oversold...re-election (or a second stolen term) for Trump is the end of the United States and the death knell of representative democratic republics as a form of government.

It's their favorite move.

With a twist.

This time it's, we know you didn't do it, ButTaraIsAWomanAndShouldBeAutomaticallyBelieved while turning a blind eye to trump's 25+ sexual assault claims.

"We all know" is the issue with #metoo accusations. We can't "know". We can believe.

Objective proof is impossible here, as it is in much of life.

The greatest good for the greatest number requires defeat of a cheap thug, and at present that is best served in this matter by realizing Reade is a lying flake and grifter who deserves nothing but the back of the public's hand, as does every shit-heel pundit who tries to pretend there is something to her lies.

It is not a difficult choice, and the good sense and good will of anyone who pretends it is is open to serious question.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

I think Reade has mental issues and needs professional help.

No one but a professional cable news pundit can't see it

Her background is well documented, and leaves no question in any honest mind.

another way, we have a choice between two men who have been accused of sexual assaults.

One has been accused by one woman with a very sketchy story, and he has had no other accusations in a long, long political career.

The other has been credibly accused by 17 women, we know he has paid off other women, and others have come forward to say what we know is just the tip of the iceberg. And this one has admitted to molesting women himself on tape and on TV.

You have to elect one of them. Which will it be?

Is there really any question?

But the objective here is to drag Biden into the slop with Trump, to make him out (and every liberal voice that defends him) as a hypocrite. To make Trump's assaults equivalent, and therefore zero them out.

If you spend any time arguing with Rightists on other forums, that is their take. They're absolutely gleeful about it.

The impossibility of KNOWING the unknowable is the wedge they exploit.

this is how we should be positioning this.

Hypocrisy is dead as a charge of any weight in political life. Nowadays no one is, and no one ought to be, deterred by a charge of hypocrisy from pressing the line best suited to the political needs of the present day. Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....

Only attack the enemy, the christo-fascist right.

Never, ever, attack people who are on your side.

If you want one quick reason why the right wing wields power well out of proportion to the popularity of its policies, it is that they adhere to this rule, and we on the left do not.


"There are a damned sight more of us than there are of them."



"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

I reject binary assertions about the unknowable on principle.

You're right about the difference of the left and right: we are less ruthless, more loyal to principle. They believe that Power justifies any means.

I'm just about there as well, but I'll never be all the way there.

This would be a very different exchange if I were.

The thing to remember is that we are better than they are because our goals are better. We want to improve people's lives, they want to beggar most to gorge a few plutocrats. Our being better than they are does not rest on our holding ourselves to standard of fair play and good conduct in how we fight against them, especially when they hold themselves to no such standards. Political struggles are about determining who tells whom what's what in the end. People who treat political struggles as a theater for display of virtuous conduct lose them.


"I am a man of principles, and chief among them is flexibility."

but I can't imagine that if he did this, he only did it once.

And if he did it more than a few times (as guys like that ALWAYS do) I would have thought it would have come out when he was picked for VP, because God knows the powers that be wanted to hurt Obama.

I’m certainly not saying it did, I just find your tone and demanding voice offensive - sounds like what Trump told Spicer to say - biggest crowd ever, period.

of prevarication and minimization of it when it's brought to his attention.

You'll get nothing for it but the ruination of the country and its people, but what is that by compare to your sense of personal virtue and fairness....

Don't sell yourself short, at least you're in there pitching for the goal, and in November you may see the gratification of your efforts in this matter.

It's just not helping.

Could I see Joe doing it? NO! I know that there are women whom have said that he's touched people in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. And I believe that he apologized for that and, hopefully, that is not continuing to occur. Reade's allegation just doesn't seem like something Joe Biden would do- and I would be aghast if he actually had. Joe just doesn't strike me as that kind of person to commit a violent assault like that, especially in a semi-public room.