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Initech

(100,113 posts)
Sat May 2, 2020, 05:45 PM May 2020

The 'Spanish' flu outbreak of 1918 is playing out just like 'reopen' protesters are in 2020: report

National Public Radio reporter Tim Mak wrote an extensive Twitter thread after researching the way the flu outbreak spread throughout the United States in the early 20th century.

It began in San Francisco in Sept. 1918, he explained, and people were successfully wearing masks and cases were dropping. By November, public health officials said the city could reopen.

“Residents rushed to entertainment venues after having been denied this communal joy for months. The mayor himself was fined by his own police chief after going to a show without a mask,” said Mak.

Another wave of the virus came in Dec. 1918 and the health officials told people to start wearing masks again, but people refused. Businesses were worried about their Christmas sales, so they opposed the efforts, as did the Culinary Workers Union. Residents were over it, and they’d already been dealing with it for months. Police began fining or arresting people for not wearing masks, which sparked lawsuits from people claiming it was their Constitutional right to risk their own lives.

Christian Scientists said it was “subversive of personal liberty” and civil libertarians claimed no one could force them to wear masks.

After the San Francisco Chronicle came out against mandatory masks, the death rate continued to climb, said Mak.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/the-spanish-flu-outbreak-of-1918-is-playing-out-just-like-reopen-protesters-are-in-2020/


Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
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The 'Spanish' flu outbreak of 1918 is playing out just like 'reopen' protesters are in 2020: report (Original Post) Initech May 2020 OP
Yes, Newest Reality May 2020 #1
Gun 101 Chainfire May 2020 #3
Gunsplaning 101.... paleotn May 2020 #7
Of course that is your option, I won't quibble with you. Chainfire May 2020 #11
Yippee world wide wally May 2020 #8
Is the gungeon closed? MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #13
I thought I explained my post Chainfire May 2020 #18
I stopped reading at "If you are not interested in the details, stop reading now." NBachers May 2020 #14
Well I will be damned Chainfire May 2020 #19
Very edifying. I usually cut to the chase and say that I want controls PatrickforO May 2020 #15
The 2nd wave of the 'Spanish' flue was far worse than the 1st wave. empedocles May 2020 #2
If you haven't seen the information Chainfire May 2020 #12
Except there was a dip in the Spanish flu the number of infected in the US has gone up!! It's not uponit7771 May 2020 #4
There is nothing new under the sun. paleotn May 2020 #5
I think that will happen too subana May 2020 #6
The phrase is not forgot sab390 May 2020 #9
Maybe we should have Red Stores, Blue Stores bucolic_frolic May 2020 #10
a thread by Tim Mak on that ... Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #16
History does repeat, a lot! Baclava May 2020 #20
I believe the plan is to have the nation paralyzed for the campaign season and the election. NBachers May 2020 #17

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Yes,
Sat May 2, 2020, 06:02 PM
May 2020

Except this time, the protesters actually act like they are on some wild drugs. They are red wind-up robots who neither think for themselves or understand their own impulsive behavior and how it is so easily manipulated.

They act like they are struggling with arrested development and living in some sort of perpetual adolescence which is indicated by being rebels without any intelligent or purposeful cause.

Some of them carry automatic weapons, even though most people would vote them the least acceptable to be allowed to carry one. Those kinds are just exploiting the pandemic crisis to let other Americans know they would shoot them in the face if given the chance.

Chainfire

(17,671 posts)
3. Gun 101
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:12 PM
May 2020
I doubt that anyone at the protests were carrying automatic weapons.

Why does it matter? The only reason that I bring up the distinction is that the right uses errors in terminology against us to show that we don't know anything about weapons and therefore should have no input into their use. There is no point in giving them ammo to use against us. If you are not interested in the details, stop reading now.

The cost of automatic weapons eliminates the ability of most Trump protesters to own. Automatic weapons are generally owned by professionals with the monetary resources to buy and shoot them. I spoke to a seller who told me most of his clients were lawyers, architects and doctors.

Automatic weapon: fires as long as the trigger is held down and there is ammo in the magazine. (machine gun)

Semiautomatic weapon: the trigger has to be pressed and released each time the weapon is discharged. All or just about all of the recent mass shootings, including the recent shooting in Canada, have been committed with semiautomatic weapons.

Semiautomatic weapons can be bought for under $500.00, you pay the man and walk out with the gun in many states. Most of the yahoos at the protests are carrying semiautomatic rifles in the three to eight hundred dollar range. Many were also packing semiautomatic pistols that cost about $500-$1000 dollars. The weapons cops carry on their hips are semiautomatic and usually in the $500.00 range. In most states, you can sell, give or trade your semiautomatic weapons to anyone residing in your state. A hell of a lot of private deals are made, legally, with no records of the transfers and no background checks. Gimme the money, I give you the gun; again quite legally in many states.

Automatic weapons (machine guns) are a horse of a different color.

Entry level automatic weapons approach ten thousand dollars dollars to buy, require an enhanced Federal background check, a special license, a long wait time, strict storage requirements, and a tax stamp that must be paid perhaps annually. (I am not sure about the frequency) You must, upon demand, be prepared to show your automatic weapon to the police, no warning, no warrant required and it better be where it is supposed to be unless you want a vacation in Club Fed. Uncle Joe can't borrow your auto weapon to get in some range time, unless you are with him.

There are enhanced penalties for using an automatic weapon in the commission of a crime. Unlike TV and the movies, automatic weapons are rarely used in crimes in the US. When an automatic weapon is transferred to another seller they must go through the same process as the original purchase. I can't give away my auto weapon to my wife or my son on my deathbed. There is no longer any manufacturing of fully automatic weapons for civilian use, so that every year, the number of weapons available declines through attrition. There is no way to make a newly built auto firearm legal for civilian use. That is why the prices are so high.

Ammo to feed a auto weapon can cost $15.00 per second and up to shoot. A couple of hours at the range could be quite spendy. A fully automatic weapon like an AR-15 from the Vietnam era, can't be bought for under, and I am guessing here , about fifteen thousand thousand dollars. A fully automatic Thompson (gangster style machine gun) could set you back $50,000 or more. So your car mechanic, or your local drug dealer probably don't have one.

paleotn

(17,990 posts)
7. Gunsplaning 101....
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:35 PM
May 2020

I have an idea. Lets just cut to the point and call them exactly what they are....child killers, classroom sweepers or how about Newtown specials. There. Happy now?

Chainfire

(17,671 posts)
11. Of course that is your option, I won't quibble with you.
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:14 PM
May 2020

You might also say that semi trucks are the same as a child's toy wagons because they have rubber tires or that a jet plane is no different than a hummingbird because they both fly and brag that you don't give a damn about the technical differences. At some point in time, ignorance of the subjects may lead you into some embarrassment, or not.

I simply offered an explanation of the differences in the types of weapons for anyone who was interested. Some people don't know and might like to, others don't know and don't care; I know that. You may should have stopped reading when I suggested that if you had no interest, to quit reading now. I even highlighted it for those who may be visually challenged, But, of course, no matter how hard you try, you can't tell some people anything.

I was in the military service, many years ago; it was not my choice.... I learned a few things about firearms at that time. I can not think of a single piece of information that I have filed away in my mind that was not of some use at some point in my life. If I offended you by sharing some knowledge, I am sorry.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
13. Is the gungeon closed?
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:36 PM
May 2020

Or did you just come up to educate us on firearms. Weapons. Guns. Don't want to offend you by using the wrong terms, I wouldn't want anyone to melt under the persecution.

Chainfire

(17,671 posts)
18. I thought I explained my post
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:51 PM
May 2020

where even someone who was educationally challenged could understand the point of the post. Perhaps I failed. I will chalk it up to my lack of communication skills. If you want to call a pop gun a cannon, or a jet a hummingbird, it is no sweat off my brow; go for it.

I thought most liberals were up to considering new ideas and new information, only to find out that some are simply mirror images of their counterparts on conservative forums; close minded, obtuse and only able to accept and parrot the party line. I thought that free and open discussions of fact and opinion was welcomed. Oh well, all was not lost, I try to learn something new every day.

Chainfire

(17,671 posts)
19. Well I will be damned
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:54 PM
May 2020

some people can actually follow instructions! Congratulations, you beat out several posters!

PatrickforO

(14,600 posts)
15. Very edifying. I usually cut to the chase and say that I want controls
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:38 PM
May 2020

on guns that shoot lots of bullets really fast. I know, it makes me sound like someone who knows very little about guns (which I don't), and a lefty who wants (gasp!) gun controls (which I do).

The second amendment has been twisted by capitalists intent on selling more and more and more guns ruled only by their lust for shareholder profits. When I was a kid, the NRA was good. They advocated safety, responsibility and so on. Mostly hunters.

But with Charleton Heston, things changed. The whole 'pry it out of my cold, dead hands' deal is just sick. My kids were in school when Columbine happened and now we have mass shootings all the time.

Chainfire

(17,671 posts)
12. If you haven't seen the information
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:21 PM
May 2020

you might be interested in a Spanish flue incident in the city of Philadelphia centering on a WWI bond drive parade. It has many similarities to the situation that people are facing today. It is also a lesson in what not to do during a pandemic. The lesson seems to have been lost to time. The short of it was that the politicians wanted to have a big parade to promote the the sale of WWI war bonds. The medical professionals begged them not to, the politicians won and the results were catastrophic.

The story will not be hard to research. I do recall seeing a documentary film on the subject but I don't recall where or when.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
4. Except there was a dip in the Spanish flu the number of infected in the US has gone up!! It's not
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:16 PM
May 2020

... NOT because were testing more.

The positive rate didn't go down by half with twice the number of test it went down by 2% ... we're screwed

subana

(586 posts)
6. I think that will happen too
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:34 PM
May 2020

in about 3 weeks, I think we'll see new cases being reported. If it's bad donnie may be in more trouble than he is now!! If there are a lot of new cases & it takes us another month or two to get it under control again, that won't be good for him!

Americans love to live our lives based on instant gratification. We want what we want, when we want it but it's time to practice a little patience for once! I know it's not as much fun but at least we wouldn't be risking our lives for the sake of shopping & entertainment!

sab390

(185 posts)
9. The phrase is not forgot
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:02 PM
May 2020

The phrase is "those who do not UNDERSTAND history are doomed to repeat it ". It's a far higher bar. It requires people to accept the ideas of those who study it. MAGAts may know about the Spanish flu but they have no ability to understand it. We have far too many people who confuse knowing with understanding.

bucolic_frolic

(43,393 posts)
10. Maybe we should have Red Stores, Blue Stores
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:05 PM
May 2020

Isn't that the American way? Giving everyone everything they want? Believers in corona virus could wear masks and go to blue stores, Freedom Self-Impalers could to to Red Stores and disavow hospital treatment. The populations would reach their own levels over time, and all could claim victory.

Problem solved!

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