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denem

(11,045 posts)
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:42 AM May 2020

Here's The Ticket - Biden & Warren

Last edited Tue May 5, 2020, 06:19 AM - Edit history (1)



As Biden and Warren wrote in their OP

Both of us have served in Congress overseeing the executive branch. We have also both served in the executive branch and answered to independent oversight. Take it from us: Oversight is vital to an effective democracy and a fair economy, and it’s a threat only if you have something to hide.

... During the recent presidential primary, both of us called for significant reforms to end Washington corruption and guarantee a government that works for the people. We urgently need those broader reforms now.


Read more here: https://www.kansas.com/opinion/article242350451.htm

Defeating corruption is the sine qua non for a government that serves the people. This is the team to do it.
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Here's The Ticket - Biden & Warren (Original Post) denem May 2020 OP
I have been hoping Biden would pick Warren as his VP. Bluepinky May 2020 #1
Biden's not "conservative".. Cha May 2020 #17
Biden appeals more to the DNC side of the party, Warren appeals to the more progressive Democrats. Bluepinky May 2020 #21
Biden Appeals to A LOT of People.. That's why he WON Cha May 2020 #22
He appeals to a lot of people, but he's not focused on reining in Wall Street. Bluepinky May 2020 #23
Joe Biden is Focused on Getting Rid of trump at this point.. Cha May 2020 #33
Well, we can all agree on that! Bluepinky May 2020 #38
DNC side of the party??? Trumpocalypse May 2020 #25
Sounds like a "talking point" to me. Cha May 2020 #34
They would make a powerful team! Callalily May 2020 #2
In regards to her Senate seat, here are several work-arounds and explanations Celerity May 2020 #3
I like this idea BGBD May 2020 #45
Biden wanted Warren as his VP (2016) Celerity May 2020 #4
ty denem May 2020 #5
yw, keep up the good posts! Celerity May 2020 #6
Maybe. She would help attract progressives to the ticket Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst May 2020 #9
I like Warren but there is only one question that should be the determining question IMO grantcart May 2020 #11
Very true Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #13
Nope. 2naSalit May 2020 #8
It's time to tackle corruption. denem May 2020 #10
we need to take the Senate back and we can't afford 2naSalit May 2020 #14
"I love Senator Warren but" denem May 2020 #15
Not because Warren is a woman do I suggested that 2naSalit May 2020 #16
I understand. denem May 2020 #19
2020 is not 2016 so no not Warren judeling May 2020 #12
What if Charlie Baker decides to run for her seat? Green Line May 2020 #18
BINGO, Baker could actually win the seat Wanderlust988 May 2020 #20
If Warren resigns her Senate seat, denem May 2020 #24
Two northeast liberals isn't a balanced ticket brooklynite May 2020 #26
By the time makes his decision denem May 2020 #29
No. boston bean May 2020 #27
Yes denem May 2020 #30
No boston bean May 2020 #31
Yes yes yes denem May 2020 #32
I don't think it will be Liz, but I do believe she will play a very, very important roll... SKKY May 2020 #28
No. MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #35
If you want to defeat corruption, denem May 2020 #36
No. Pass MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #37
No. Say hello to K Street denem May 2020 #39
Pass MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #40
Such purity, denem May 2020 #42
Too bad you're probably going to be disappointed kcr May 2020 #43
I've had 50 years of disappointment MyNameGoesHere May 2020 #46
It's Harris, here's how I know: Hamlette May 2020 #41
What has Kamala said about Reade's allegations? denem May 2020 #44

Bluepinky

(2,276 posts)
1. I have been hoping Biden would pick Warren as his VP.
Tue May 5, 2020, 07:21 AM
May 2020

I think it would be a winning combination, Biden for the conservative side of the party and Warren for the progressives.

Bluepinky

(2,276 posts)
21. Biden appeals more to the DNC side of the party, Warren appeals to the more progressive Democrats.
Thu May 7, 2020, 01:25 AM
May 2020

Together, they would have a broad range of appeal. Whereas a Biden-Klobuchar ticket would have less appeal to progressives. After speaking with many progressives, some of them Bernie fans, this is what I’ve heard them say. Many progressives don’t think Biden is interested in making the sweeping changes needed to help restore income equality, whereas this is one of Warren’s strengths.

Cha

(297,821 posts)
22. Biden Appeals to A LOT of People.. That's why he WON
Thu May 7, 2020, 01:53 AM
May 2020

the Primary OVERWHELMINGLY. Spending 4x less $$$$ than Sanders.

There's nothing "conservative" about Joe Biden's Platform.

Bluepinky

(2,276 posts)
23. He appeals to a lot of people, but he's not focused on reining in Wall Street.
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:16 AM
May 2020

Warren’s message is more appealing to progressives because she wants to make sweeping changes in the financial industry, in favor of the middle and working classes. All I’m saying is that Warren would be a good choice as VP.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
25. DNC side of the party???
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:19 AM
May 2020

What does that mean? Do you even know what the DNC is or are you just repeating a talking point?

Celerity

(43,612 posts)
3. In regards to her Senate seat, here are several work-arounds and explanations
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:01 AM
May 2020
Vice President Warren? It can happen. Here's how:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/5/1924805/-Vice-President-Warren-It-can-happen-Here-s-how

I’ve read a bunch of people assuming that Elizabeth Warren can’t be Vice President, or be in the next President’s cabinet, because she’d be giving up a Senate seat to the GOP after Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker appoints a Republican. I’m here to tell you that it ain’t necessarily so. The mechanism is fairly simple — she can resign this year and be replaced this year.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures (www.ncsl.org/...), Massachusetts is one of 14 states which replace their Senators via a special election. Massachusetts law — M.G.L.A. 54 §140 — says this: 145-160 days after vacancy occurs. If a vacancy occurs after April 10 but on or before the 70th day before the regular state primary, the office shall appear on the regular state primary ballot. If a vacancy occurs after that time, the office shall appear on the state election ballot that November.

Governor Baker could appoint a Republican upon her resignation, but in the mechanism above, there are two options: If she resigns between today and April 9, there would be a special election some time between July 28 and September 16. If she resigns between April 10 and June 23, her seat would be up for a special election held on Election Day to fill the rest of the term. In either case, the winner of the election would be sworn in immediately.

Warren’s resignation also solves a problem. Massachusetts is enduring a massively pointless primary fight between two strong Democrats — Incumbent Senator Ed Markey and Congressman Joseph Kennedy III. If Warren resigns, Kennedy can simply move over and run for this other seat, and everybody’s happy. Whoever Baker appoints would be a serious underdog to Rep. Kennedy. And it’s not like there’s a lot going to get done that Warren would be able to stop in the Senate the rest of 2020. The Senate has done virtually nothing but confirm judges the whole term.

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Massachusetts law dictates an election be held within 145-160 days of a Senatorial vacancy

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx



https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/parti/titleviii/chapter54/section140

Section 140. (a) Upon failure to choose a senator or representative in congress or upon creation of a vacancy in that office, the governor shall immediately cause precepts to be issued to the aldermen in every city and the selectmen in every town in the district, directing them to call an election on the day appointed in the precepts for the election of such senator or representative. The day so appointed shall not be more than 160 nor less than 145 days after the date that a vacancy is created or a failure to choose occurs. Filing a letter of resignation creates a vacancy under this section, even if the resignation is not effective until some later time, but the date of the election to fill a vacancy under this section shall be after the resignation is effective.

(b) If a vacancy under this section is created after February 1 of an even-numbered year, the governor shall not issue the precepts required by subsection (a), except as subsection (c) provides for a vacancy for senator.

(c) If a vacancy is created for senator in congress after April 10 of an even-numbered year, the governor shall issue precepts under this section, unless section 152 requires that office to appear on the biennial state election ballot in that year. If this section prevents issuance of precepts for senator, the office shall appear on the biennial state election ballot in that year. If a vacancy for senator is created after April 10 of an even-numbered year, but on or before the seventieth day preceding the regular state primary, the precepts shall appoint the day of the regular state primary and the biennial state election for holding the special primary and special election required by this section.

(d) If at the time a senator or representative in congress is elected at the biennial state election, there exists a vacancy in that office, the senator or representative shall also be deemed to have been elected to serve out that vacancy.

(e) A senator elected to fill a vacancy under this section shall serve for the remainder of the unexpired term.

(f) Upon failure to choose a senator in congress or upon a vacancy in that office, the governor shall make a temporary appointment to fill the vacancy; provided, however, that the person so appointed shall serve until the election and qualification of the person duly elected to fill the vacancy pursuant to subsection (a) or (c).
 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
45. I like this idea
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:32 AM
May 2020

if for no other reason than to get Kennedy in the Senate. He's a superstar in the wings.

Celerity

(43,612 posts)
4. Biden wanted Warren as his VP (2016)
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:51 AM
May 2020
The Massachusetts senator was 'noncommittal,' but warned of a backlash against his pro-Wall Street votes in Senate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-223104



Joe Biden took months to decide he wouldn’t run for president — but he was sold on Elizabeth Warren as his running mate from the start, people familiar with the situation told POLITICO. And he still thinks the Massachusetts firebrand would be Hillary Clinton’s best choice to replace him as the nation’s No. 2 in January 2017. Biden, a stalwart Democrat who has veered leftward in recent years — but, as a centrist senator, voted to scuttle the Glass-Steagall prohibitions on banks engaging in speculative investments — favored Warren because he needed a partner to capture the wave of anti-bank, anti-establishment anger raging to his left.

Warren, a freshman senator from Massachusetts, who supports breaking up the big banks and re-imposing 1930s-era Wall Street regulations to prevent another global financial crisis, was Biden’s “only real choice,” according to an official he spoke to at the time. Biden — who told an interviewer on Tuesday that he considered running for president because he believed he was “the best” person for the job — took his hat out of the ring in late October 2015, citing the stresses on his family following the death of his son Beau. But he’s recently told associates that Warren would be an equally smart pick for Hillary Clinton, who has been sharply criticized for refusing to publish the transcripts of her high-paid speeches to the elite banking firm of Goldman Sachs.

Biden, a senior Democratic official said, first mentioned Warren as a possible running mate during his earliest strategy sessions with a team of advisers that included friends Mike Donilon, Steve Richetti and Ted Kaufman; Donilon, the person said, was particularly enthusiastic about it. And Biden broached the idea, almost matter of factly, to Warren during a much-hyped lunch meeting at the vice president’s residence on the grounds of the Naval Observatory last September. Biden, according to a person briefed on details of the meeting, told Warren he wanted her to be his running mate “during the conversation” but didn’t explicitly ask her to commit to the slot or endorse his candidacy. Warren, the person told POLITICO, was “noncommittal” but “not displeased.”

At that meeting, she delivered a clear-eyed assessment of Biden’s own chances, according to a staffer who was given a read-out of the conversation, telling the vice president that he had little chance of positioning himself to the left of Clinton, given his own three-decade record of moderate compromise in the Senate. Warren conceded — prophetically in retrospect — that Clinton would face a progressive backlash but she informed Biden that his record on Wall Street was little better than that of the woman he hoped to topple as front-runner. As a senator, Biden, like Clinton, had supported a 2001 bankruptcy bill that Warren vehemently opposed; her advice to Biden was that, to appeal to the left, he would need to start talking right away about Wall Street reform.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
7. Maybe. She would help attract progressives to the ticket
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:39 AM
May 2020

But will she help to win a swing state or get AA voters excited to vote?

Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #7)

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. I like Warren but there is only one question that should be the determining question IMO
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:27 AM
May 2020

Which candidate helps elect more Senators.

Here are the state's where 3% could make a difference

Montana
Arizona
Colorado
Georgia X 2
Iowa
Maine
Kentucky

I don't see Warren helping much down ticket

I do see Harris helping in many states esp Georgia

Lujan would have an even stronger draw with purple voters and suburban women. She could help make us viable in Texas, Warren does not.

Love Warren but we have other candidates who have broader appeal and her 3rd place finish in her own state primary proved that.
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
13. Very true
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:39 AM
May 2020

But while Biden does get the AA vote, remember Clinton did to but they still didn't come out in the same number they did for Obama. A WOC on the ticket would help there and could possibly make the difference in states like Florida and North Carolina.

2naSalit

(86,867 posts)
14. we need to take the Senate back and we can't afford
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:50 PM
May 2020

to lose her from that position. She can get a lot done from there if the rest of the Senate is with her. It's easier because she can actively lobby members of Congress as a member, not from the WH. Susan Rice has international experience with the UN and the intel community as NatSec advisor to the president and as an ambassador. She has worked with Joe for years and is, in my view, the best candidate for the position.

I love Senator Warren but I think she could be far more effective in dealing with corruption where she is... and she's already there.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
15. "I love Senator Warren but"
Wed May 6, 2020, 12:46 AM
May 2020

I don't know how many times I have heard that in the primaries and beyond. Ita the wording used to tell a woman she's been passed over "but, you'd be better where you are".

I'd be very happy with Susan Rice, just about all the women on the list. Amy Klobuchar is a most status quo, so I would prefer someone else, by would be more than enthusiastic in the GE.

Addendum: it is not necessarily true that nominating Warren would be at the price of a seat in the Senate. Warren could resign and trigger a special election, resolving the Markey v Kennedy III dilemma.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13392936

A woman president of color would be the strongest possible repudiation of trumps, and send an indelible message to the world. I agree. I would be cheering on Susan Rice. Why I prioritize corruption is results. It is the dominance of big money in politics that derails the platitudes expressed by Democrats during elections. Results. Results matter, to African Americans as much, if not more than anyone else. The place to tackle corruption is in the executive branch. Whatever position Warren may have there would raise the same considerations in the Senate.

2naSalit

(86,867 posts)
16. Not because Warren is a woman do I suggested that
Wed May 6, 2020, 12:56 AM
May 2020

I would prefer her to remain in the Senate but because I think her skill sets are best utilized in her role there. I actually think she would not have as much ability to accomplish the objectives she has in mind regarding corruption. So I stand by my statement as a woman who has been held back from my full potential my entire life.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
12. 2020 is not 2016 so no not Warren
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:36 AM
May 2020

In 2016 we actually needed to unite and excite the party. In 2020 the party is already united and determined.
In 2017 who ever would have built and expanded on the previous eight years and work on systematic problems in a longer term planned way. In 2021 we have to spend a lot of effort just undoing and rebuilding basic government structures, while getting short term patches out that can position us to address the structural problems.

For this election cycle and the next four years Biden would be best served with a tactician not a strategist in the VP slot. My firm hope is that Biden strongly hints at Warren for Labor as a direct echo of FDR/ Francis Perkins.

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
18. What if Charlie Baker decides to run for her seat?
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:03 AM
May 2020

He’s so popular here, he would most likely win. There goes a Dem seat. He’s much more popular in Mass than she is.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
20. BINGO, Baker could actually win the seat
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:37 AM
May 2020

We could easily have another Scott Brown situation.

Also, is Warren the 'go along to get along' type of person? I just don't see her playing 2nd fiddle to anyone.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
29. By the time makes his decision
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:41 AM
May 2020

It will become clear if 2020 is going to be a blowout or not. IMO trump’s presidency is as doomed as Carter’s in 1980.

SKKY

(11,827 posts)
28. I don't think it will be Liz, but I do believe she will play a very, very important roll...
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:31 AM
May 2020

...in the next administration. But, from her seat in the Senate. Charlie Baker seems like someone who could win her seat should she leave. Kamala checks an awful lot of the boxes, IMHO.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
36. If you want to defeat corruption,
Thu May 7, 2020, 03:31 PM
May 2020

if you want someone to play the role Joe did in the Obama Administration, overseeing the Recovery Act, Warren is the one.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
42. Such purity,
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:00 AM
May 2020

except when it comes to money under the table. Kind regards to Craig Hall and Louis Susman.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
41. It's Harris, here's how I know:
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:29 PM
May 2020

she is suddenly everywhere. On MSNBC, posts on social media. Haven't seen much from her in months. Now? She's back.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
44. What has Kamala said about Reade's allegations?
Fri May 8, 2020, 01:18 AM
May 2020

Will Candidates for Biden’s VP Shortlist Defend Him From Reade Allegations?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-kamala-defend-biden-from-reade-allegations.html

“I saw the reports of what Ms. Reade said, I saw an interview with Vice President Biden. I appreciate that the vice president took a lot of questions, tough questions. And he answered them directly and respectfully,” Warren told CNN’s Manu Raju Monday. “The vice president’s answers were credible and convincing.”

Elizabeth Warren
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/496134-warren-calls-bidens-denial-of-sexual-assault-claim-credible-and-convincing

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