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Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:19 PM May 2020

No arrests after black man shot dead while jogging

Sickening
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/no-arrests-black-man-shot-210655414.html

The case was briefly in the hands of DA George Barnhill, based in Waycross, but he recused himself because his son works for prosecutors in Brunswick.

But in a memo from Barnhill to police, the DA said he believes Gregory and Travis McMichael should not be indicted. He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.

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No arrests after black man shot dead while jogging (Original Post) Proud liberal 80 May 2020 OP
We are bdamomma May 2020 #1
You think this is new? misanthrope May 2020 #5
You are right about it going on since forever, but Jamastiene May 2020 #13
You are correct misanthrope May 2020 #23
yes bdamomma May 2020 #28
Does that mean that the boundaries of our 'castles' can sinkingfeeling May 2020 #2
+1, what was the probable cause they victim might be a burglar? Can members of the victims uponit7771 May 2020 #6
Castle Doctrine doesn't apply NutmegYankee May 2020 #29
If I had witnessed that and opened fire on the gun wielding hunters, would I receive the same? Moostache May 2020 #3
It's unbelievable to me. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #7
Deplorable. c-rational May 2020 #4
You have got to be kidding me? How could you watch that tape and not see murder? cayugafalls May 2020 #8
To make a citizen's arrest in Georgia, one must observe a crime being commited Kaleva May 2020 #9
Those laws down south, where I have lived my whole life, are just on the books for show. Jamastiene May 2020 #12
So, everyone has been deputized as police officers now? Is that it? nt mr_lebowski May 2020 #10
I read the article. It LITERALLY says the DA said that. Jamastiene May 2020 #11
Heres the letter Proud liberal 80 May 2020 #15
He claimed the jogger grabbed at the gun, but if you listen in the video, Jamastiene May 2020 #16
Amazing the world they've constructed greenjar_01 May 2020 #21
No joke misanthrope May 2020 #24
here is Mr. Barnhill... the DA who considers it proper to chase down a jogger and shoot him Demovictory9 May 2020 #14
That poor family will never get justice. Jamastiene May 2020 #17
Fucking infuriating! smirkymonkey May 2020 #18
Nothing like a recusal where you give an legal opinion exboyfil May 2020 #19
Are you sure this is the most recent news? I thought I saw where a different DA is going to refer scarletwoman May 2020 #20
So you're telling me, I see a stranger that makes me "suspicious", it's cool to chase'm and kill'm? Midnight Writer May 2020 #22
only if you're a white southerner wearing camo Nature Man May 2020 #25
I reckon I could pass. Midnight Writer May 2020 #26
or a cop Nature Man May 2020 #27
So if someone rings their doorbell and blows them away and claims it was self defense? SoonerPride May 2020 #30

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
5. You think this is new?
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:46 PM
May 2020

This kind of thing has been going in America for longer than anyone on this site has been alive.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
13. You are right about it going on since forever, but
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:17 PM
May 2020

at one time, there was a push to push back against bigotry. There was a movement to try to get people to not be racist fuckheads. That's all gone now and things are going backwards now again.

Yes, it has been going on since forever, but it is still wrong.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
23. You are correct
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:17 AM
May 2020

It is wrong but I don't think we are regressing because it never stopped. We've been made more aware in the last decade of how prominent violence against African-Americans is and how often they are harassed and assaulted by law enforcement.

We're not going backwards. Our eyes are merely more open now.

sinkingfeeling

(51,484 posts)
2. Does that mean that the boundaries of our 'castles' can
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:38 PM
May 2020

only be limited by how far we're willing to drive? How can you 'stand your ground' if you keep going miles?

Dumbest thing I have ever heard from a DA (excluding AG Barr).

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
6. +1, what was the probable cause they victim might be a burglar? Can members of the victims
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:50 PM
May 2020

... family say, mistake the shooters for burglars one day in a similar situation ?!

This is some shit here

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
29. Castle Doctrine doesn't apply
Thu May 7, 2020, 12:21 PM
May 2020

That's defense of yourself in the home, your legal place of refuge for hundreds of years under English Common Law. This wasn't even "stand your ground" technically - you cannot pursue someone and claim it if they defend themselves.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
3. If I had witnessed that and opened fire on the gun wielding hunters, would I receive the same?
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:39 PM
May 2020

Both McMichaels should be standing trial for murder and accessory to murder NOW.

The fact that they are not and that ANYONE would defend them from the video evidence of their hate crime is disgusting.

That was murder, plain and simple and it is on fucking tape for Christ's sake...

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
7. It's unbelievable to me.
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:58 PM
May 2020

There's no sugar-coating or spinning that video!

It wouldn't matter if the jogger had actually burglarized a home either, and there's not even reason to suspect that at all!

Is that kind of behavior almost normal around those parts?!

The last time that I was in Georgia and stopped at a convenience store, the black clerk and customer who were inside looked aggravated at me until I started talking with my "Northern" accent. Then they smiled.

cayugafalls

(5,646 posts)
8. You have got to be kidding me? How could you watch that tape and not see murder?
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:01 PM
May 2020

There was no crime. Just a jogger. What did he steal? Jogging pants?

This is sickening.

Kaleva

(36,371 posts)
9. To make a citizen's arrest in Georgia, one must observe a crime being commited
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:03 PM
May 2020

"The state of Georgia allows people to make citizen’s arrests. To make a citizen’s arrest, a person must witness a crime being committed and detain the suspect until police reach the scene."

https://www.redandblack.com/cops/citizen-s-arrests-legal-discouraged-by-experts/article_3649dc64-5eb6-11e2-b79f-001a4bcf6878.html

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
12. Those laws down south, where I have lived my whole life, are just on the books for show.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:15 PM
May 2020

Everything down here gets done by backroom deals and letting bigots do whatever they want. I know from firsthand experience.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
16. He claimed the jogger grabbed at the gun, but if you listen in the video,
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:48 PM
May 2020

there were gunshots BEFORE he grabbed to get the gun away from the other guy. They were already shooting BEFORE he tried to get the gun away from the guy.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
21. Amazing the world they've constructed
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:23 AM
May 2020

where they have the right to shoot somebody for grabbing for their gun, but the person being held up at gunpoint doesn't have the right to grab at the gun to defend himself!

The sheer caucasity of it all is fucking startling.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
24. No joke
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:21 AM
May 2020

Why wouldn't he be grabbing at the gun? Two rednecks in a pick-up truck pull bearing weapons and shouting at him, and he's in the rural South? He's got every reason to assume the worst and defend himself in any way possible.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
17. That poor family will never get justice.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:49 PM
May 2020

They do things like that down here and lie lie lie to get away with it. Bunch of bigoted sickos covering for each other, that is what this is.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
19. Nothing like a recusal where you give an legal opinion
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:54 PM
May 2020

that can be used by the defense down the road.

Some real facts.

They did not observe him commit a crime at the time. They may think he was on tape committing a prior crime, but I don't see how a citizen's arrest would apply.

They attempted three times to get him to stop. He even attempts to move away from the man with a shotgun in his hand by running to the passenger side of the vehicle. He only turns to engage when the man moves towards him at the front of the truck.

If I jogging and some yoyo with a gun tries to stop me, I am going to do my best to defend myself as well. They have already committed a crime by brandishing weapons in an attempt to stop his progress.

By the way they are attempting to reduce the penalty for brandishing weapons in Georgia.

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/georgia-panel-approves-bill-aiming-make-legal-brandish-gun/Oe2x0xPUTKP99PueauFWdI/

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
20. Are you sure this is the most recent news? I thought I saw where a different DA is going to refer
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:21 AM
May 2020

the case to a Grand Jury.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
30. So if someone rings their doorbell and blows them away and claims it was self defense?
Thu May 7, 2020, 12:25 PM
May 2020

I feel threatened by their existence

Plus I think they may have committed a crime.

I stood my ground.

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