It isn't its fault. "Humanity" isn't sacred to hungry critters.

I'm not even going to state how stupid it is to pet an alligator.

I would have grabbed her arm and pulled her away. yelled and cursed to get her to understand the danger. they let her walk into mortal danger.

There's only so much you can do about stupid in a grown person. Surprised they lived this long.

The only one here not at fault is the gator.

do, that always pisses me off!!!

That is why I am worried about the animals entering empty cities right now. When people "reopen" their cities, those animals are going to be in danger.

This is because they live among humans and attacking humans is a learned behavior.

In Texas they rarely attack humans.

you really cannot fix stupid.

or "her" in this case?

go get pissed off on someone else, I have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're spoiling for a fight, you probably have an Internets in front of you, so I'm sure you'll find what you are seeking.

You know EXACTLY what I meant, in fact, I even spelled It out

In the future you might want to avoid the sort of 'humor' whose
implications need to be run from when exposed.

Buh bye.

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You think the animal should be killed for a human’s idiocy?

they could recover her body.

Humans, ugh.

and I imagine they wanted to get her body before the gator devoured it.

Alligators actually have a hard time devouring large prey. We're easier to kill than to eat.
Eating her would have taken days, there was plenty of time.

so we don't know the full circumstances behind the police shooting the gator, but I would imagine that they had to recover the body and the gator wasn't letting go of her body.

I sure as hell wouldn't stand by and watch a gator devour a human body if I could stop it, that just seem rather barbaric to me.

But, realistically, once life has been lost, that's all it is.

If the cops thought there was ANY hope the woman was still alive, lethal force to retrieve her would be justified.
If not, it's just one useless death after another. (in that woman's death didn't benefit the alligator, because now the alligator is dead).

I don't like (on a philosophical level) that life preys upon life to sustain itself. That's why I'm a vegetarian (and, yes, I know I am taking the life of plants). But, it's how the ecosystem works for obligate carnivores (like alligators). Humans are not obligate carnivores, except in very rare medical cases.

in a lake with an alligator and they were waiting till it took a break eating her to try to recover her remains so as to not harm the animal.

that she walked right up to a huge alligator and tried to pet it, which caused her death.

It's very likely the responding officers didn't know she was dead when they fired. So yes, they killed the gator. And even if they knew she was dead, what were they supposed to do? Let it eat her right in front of them??

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/woman-warned-by-friend-moments-before-fatal-kiawah-island-alligator-attack-report-states/article_29034044-8e2a-11ea-b2e6-73acab6e89fd.html

Another animal killed because of a stupid human. Smh.

Sounded very familiar to what's happening all over the country because - freedom. And obstinance.

DD

1. Stupid for violatin Social Distance rules by going over to someone's house to do their nails.

2. Stupid for having a pet alligator.

3. Stupid for trying to pet the alligator.

I count 3 stupids.

There's definitely a lot of stupid going on regardless.

This country is sooo full of crazies

...just that it was in a pond on the property. Without extraordinary (and expensive) measures, there's nothing to keep a wild one from walking in and setting up shop. Especially if there's prey around, such as the deer it had killed.

Such a terrible thing, poor woman etc. I just don’t understand if you had an alligator on your property that had already killed a deer why you wouldn’t get somebody to come and take it away etc.

I have thirty acres of lowland/swampland with alligators. The alligators do what they need to survive. They probably kill deer. They might even kill dogs that are illegally allowed to run free (there have been signs posted in the area for missing dogs).

I wouldn't even consider removing the alligators. it's their habitat that I am leaving natural for the use of the alligators, deer, turkey, bear, and other wildlife. The only people who might be harmed are trespassers.

That said, in Florida the Florida Wildlife Commission has the policy that any gator with complaints has to be removed. If it is above a certain size, it has to be killed. Smaller gators are relocated to other areas.

And it was apparently quite close to their house it seems it would have been prudent to remove it to a truly wild location which this was not. Also many dogs and pets escape and are not roaming illegally. If you want to have a truly wild habitat area you should have no people living on it at all.

Same as if a dog owner warned someone that their dog could bite and someone ignored the owner - I don't believe the property owners should be held at fault.

In the county where I live any dog running free is illegal - they MUST be in the control of the owner. Since development began around here, there have been a several dogs who showed up running free. In every case it turned out that either the owners knew the dogs were loose or knew that their fences were not adequate but didn't bother to repair them. That means that the dogs were running free illegally. In one case, there is a very good possibility that my mares - who would attack free running canines, whether dogs (even my own), foxes or coyotes - may have killed one of the dogs. Boo-hoo, because if I had caught them running my livestock I would have shot them anyway.

Our bottom thirty acres is a quarter of a mile from any legal entrance and an eighth of a mile from my house. The neighborhood next door is closer, and I have had to threaten prosecution for poaching and trespass. Anyone who is on that part of my property that has not been approved by me is there illegally, so if an alligator bites them, too bad. No one has lived on that section in at least 75 years and likely no one has ever lived on it. Behind it is a conservation easement and eventually I will have a conservation easement on that portion of the farm to protect it forever.

It would be more realistic if you would admit that does happen too. Some are abandoned as well.

I commend you on doing a such a good job of maintaining your habitat. I don’t think the person in this case was.

I think if you want to have a real habit there shouldn’t be any people there at all but that is always going to be my opinion. Of course the woman takes some of the blame here but I just don’t think that situation should be able to happen in the first place if the alligator were not so close etc. it probably would not have happened.

Also, It doesn’t matter if you warn somebody that your dog could bite them if your dog bites them you are still going to be in trouble legally most of the time. Really do not think that is a valid comparison at all and I think you know that.

There are alligators EVERYWHERE on the coast of SC.

The woman who was attacked takes all of the blame. It is highly doubtful that the SC wildlife officers would remove a gator because it decided to go live in a gated community.

She's lucky she didn't step on a copperhead on the way to pat the alligator.

I guess it is a difficult situation. I would never live in one of those areas or any warmer climates etc. for many reasons but partly because of the wildlife, the insects and so on I just don’t want to get exposed to all of that. We have quite a lot of wildlife where I am but most of it isn’t too dangerous. I am in a suburban area. The ticks and the bats are probably the worst.

Disagree that she takes all of the blame however I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I read that a woman in the same area I think was killed by an alligator that attacked her dog( she was walking her dog in a park, is she also completely to blame? I guess you would say no because she didn’t go and try to pet the alligator LOL

If you assume they are in every body of water in the state you would not be wrong. If seen them in side ditches not 2 feet wide.

The state removed those that present a threat. And most of them are killed. There are no vacant place to release them and if dropped off in a full habit they will have to fight for space. And if the lose the fight they are on the menu.

I don't think it said it was a pet though, in this case. There are people in Florida who have pet gators though.

I know at one time, at least, it was legal to have a pet raccoon in SC but not NC. Some states let you have pet tigers while other states do not. So, it is a state by state type thing.

But anyone who lives near water have gators as neighbors.

But I am sure there are people who do it anyway.

Of coastal South Carolina. If you were running on a EMS truck to an address, you had to check into security first so they will follow you. Cause....?

Rich assholes doing rich asshole plans visit there.

Sounds like something out of the 1950s

Calling an alligator a "beast"? Really?

Was it a "pet" or did she just want to "pet an alligator" that was in a pond...

Anyway, I took to google and found out more. The alligator was wild, not a pet. The woman that was killed loved animals.

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/woman-warned-by-friend-moments-before-fatal-kiawah-island-alligator-attack-report-states/article_29034044-8e2a-11ea-b2e6-73acab6e89fd.html

by posting the link. Sad, it sounds like the woman was a nice person who cared about animals but just didn't use good sense.

And the worst spot to ever face an alligator or croc is at the water's edge. They are hard to see and that is where they do a lot of hunting anyhow. I hate that they killed the gator for doing what gators naturally do. I understand loving animals, but use common sense. I love animals too, but even I wouldn't attempt to pet a gator, unless it was a pet and the owner knew how to control the biting end.

from my TV understanding, they run pretty fast. Now I have to google what the appropriate reaction would be, because my first instinct would be to sprint back to my car.

Once they attack a human, they will probably attack again.

but they probably won't bother, unless maybe you hurt a mother's eggs or babies.

Pet an Alligator? We don't pet alligators here.. she didn't even get closer than 4 ft.

I would think the owners of said alligator might have Insisted she stay the **** Away.

Yes, RIP

means "dinner."

They weren't the owners of the gator, it was a wild gator that set up shop in their pond, probably because of the abundance of prey close by.

your other post when it was self-deleted.

I said.. I thought later that I might have gotten that wrong about them owning the alligator.

Thank you, dware.. poor woman

stupidity, it should have just been captured and relocated.

But, you're right, poor woman, may she RIP and condolences to her family and friends.

It was a wild gator on their property.

I’ve lived in SC and in Florida, it’s not unusual for gators to show up pretty much anywhere.

The woman was a moron.

First rule is "Check the pool before diving in. There might be a visitor in there."

I couldn't get to the NY Daily News story but found more details here - https://www.postandcourier.com/news/woman-killed-by-gator-on-kiawah-island-was-fascinated-took-pictures-before-attack/article_fc45f728-8eeb-11ea-87c8-1f66d1bd551c.html

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Hard to believe they are THAT lazy insomuch as they still have not sorted their compliance shit even after years of the EU privacy laws being in effect.

Thanks for the elucidation.

cheers

No reason to kill the gator.

Would you want your husband, sister, wife, you to be a gator's dinner?

'Yeah, we let the gator eat her. Saved a packet on the funeral costs.'

My sympathies are entirely with the gator.

It won, fair and square.

Or the remains of family being a gator's dinner. Everyone in my family, with the possible exception of my sister, feels the same way.

I know that some people are simply not going to continue to social distance.

But seriously, an 8 year-old knows better than to mess with an alligator.

Reminds me of the nitwits that were drinking Lysol and Chlorox the other week.

look so calm an peaceful when laying on the bank, soaking up a few rays.

I live in gator country, I boat in their rivers. I assure you people around here respect the prehistoric eating machines. I would just as soon try to pet a high voltage transmission line as a gator.

As far as killing the gator, it is probably not just, but it is a long-standing tradition to kill animals who kill people, unless of course, if you are the president.

No excuse to kill the gator.

And, the woman went willingly to her death.

Surely you don't place the same value on the life of a random human to that of a random (for instance) ant?

As a Buddhist, to me, all life is precious, even microscopic life.

But, also as a Buddhist, I recognize that some things die so that others can live, but life should never be taken capriciously.

In this case, the answer is clear: the woman went willingly to her death, and she was already dead. There was no bringing her back. Why kill the alligator?

the reason for killing any predatory animal which takes a human life is that the animal in question, having discovered that humans are easy prey, are more likely to try again. And since society on the whole values human life far more than non-human life, the decision to kill the animal under these circumstances is quite straightforward.

She was easy prey because she made herself so.

This myth of "getting a taste for human blood" is just that, a myth.

Predatory animals survive on opportunity, not Wile E. Coyote-type schemes.

According to the property owners, the gator had recently brought down a deer. That doesn't mean it is going to go out of its way to hunt deer from that point on, either. They take what they can get. Almost exclusively, that is other swamp-dwelling creatures. If humans go into the swamp, that makes them prey. That's just how it works.

I'll concede your point that our society has messed-up values that prioritize humans. We're finally learning that it a very short-sighted and ultimately destructive attitude to have. We destroy nature, we destroy ourselves.

There was no need, and no useful purpose in killing this alligator. There is no such thing as "revenge" for it having killed a human. You haven't taught it, or any of its kind, a "lesson."

The human race has simply once again proved that it is needlessly violent and domineering.

The Tsavo Man-Eaters, a pair of lions in Kenya, killed dozens of construction workers in Kenya in 1898. The Champawat Tiger in India was responsible for killing an estimated 436(!) people at roughly the same point in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsavo_Man-Eaters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champawat_Tiger

These are just two of the most famous, there are plenty of other examples.

As for prioritizing humans over non-humans, well....naturally we do. On the other hand, mismanaging natural resources is foolish in the extreme, granted.

ALL predators are opportunistic.

If a predator learns that a specific site yields positive results, they will keep targeting that area. And yes, there is also the factor that, for large cats, we are much s-l-o-w-e-r than most of their prey, and therefore easier to catch. It's simple opportunity, it is NOT a factor of "I've decided humans are more yummy than gazelles."

In the case of alligators, none of that comes into play. Still no reason to kill the alligator.

As for man-eating tigers, I have to say that my sympathies are still with the tigers. Who has killed more of whom? We are a far greater threat to large predators than they are to us, unless we are literally fighting mano-a-cat-o.

in the last 500 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_attack

killed. This happened as recently as 2018, when a tiger killed 13 people in western India. That's simply self defense.

We cannot afford to lose a single one.

Far too many humans, not enough tigers.

Answer: The United States, with roughly 5,000 (the vast majority of which are not in zoos, but privately owned).

And at this point I'm going to bow out (and thank you for the civil conversation while I'm at it). I believe we have irreconcilable differences on most (not all) aspects of this subject.

There are far too many people in this country with more money than sense, or compassion.

The situation of most tigers, in the wild or in captivity, is dire.

Mother Teresa and an alligator.
Which one should get the parachute ... all lives being equal and everything?

I'd suspect Mother Theresa would put the parachute on the alligator.

But, we can't ask her, since she's dead.

And people are just damn people. You apparently think you are better than
an alligator.

You have a larger brain? You're a human and it's just a "critter"?
How are you superior? What else are you superior to?

and I'm superior to Repukes.

usually place their lives WAY above an alligator.

and then back under water with her. An officer shot it when it came back up. It was the only way they could get her body out. They didn't just shoot it to shoot it.

That had to have been an awful thing to see.

But I guess for some people saving on funeral costs by letting the gator have her is okay.

She was taken to hospital where she died, she died by drowning.

America at work.

from this story.

Good times, DU2




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A human that stupid was clearly asking for it.

rings this place. They're timid and don't hang by our shore when we're staying down here, but nevertheless I never routinely walk where/when they could come to expect me or relax with a book on the lawn of that narrow side, though we spend a lot of time on our set-back covered patio.

Especially, though, we never, ever feed them, even inadvertently. My husband doesn't clean fish on our little dock. We're very aware that we ARE food and never do anything to encourage them to come to us for it.

I'm very sorry for this poor woman and her horrible death. If I were eaten, I know some people would callously rush to blame me for outrageous stupidity because we chose to live in this beautiful place, never need to be coaxed or paid for their trouble. I figure they, like our alligators, are always with us and have their plusses and minuses that need to be accepted but not forgotten.

Btw, know how you tell if an alligator is male or female? You turn it over and poke around the hole near the tail for details.

to get close to the gator for the purposes of taking a photo.

And, they should.