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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu May 14, 2020, 11:10 AM May 2020

Josh Marshall: "Let's remember what the 'unmasking' scandal is about..."



Josh Marshall ✔@joshtpm

Let's remember what the 'unmasking' scandal is about. The Obama admin imposed retaliatory sanctions against Russia for interfering in the US presidential elections. They had phone surveillance of the Russian Ambassador talking with an unnamed US citizen about how to deal ...

2/ with the US sanctions. When US citizens are picked up in surveillance of lawful foreign intelligence surveillance their names are "masked". Top NSC officials wanted to know who that US citizen was. It was Mike Flynn.


11:03 AM - May 14, 2020


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Josh Marshall: "Let's remember what the 'unmasking' scandal is about..." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan May 2020 OP
They should be commended.. kentuck May 2020 #1
Exactly! ananda May 2020 #14
Kick dalton99a May 2020 #2
Fine People czarjak May 2020 #7
That dinner was to celebrate Russia's PROPAGANDA outlet: RT. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #9
When was this? live love laugh May 2020 #15
Dec. 10, 2015 dalton99a May 2020 #18
Flynn was always the good soldier Chainfire May 2020 #3
But if flynn i pardoned, he will lose his 5th amendment rights vapor2 May 2020 #16
We are living in a fact challenged era...nt Wounded Bear May 2020 #4
It's a Deadly War on Facts & Truth. Cha May 2020 #19
K&R for visibility. crickets May 2020 #5
All about Sanctions Wellstone ruled May 2020 #6
I could betray my country in the middle of Fifth avenue and I wouldn't lose any of my supporters. world wide wally May 2020 #8
Glad you're not going to shoot anyone on Fifth Avenue...... KS Toronado May 2020 #13
Burn Baby Burn...Mikey is goin' down in flames. Ford_Prefect May 2020 #10
Oh, would that it were so. maxsolomon May 2020 #17
Flynn unmasked himself. Corgigal May 2020 #11
Where the legal concerns come into play.. Omen78 May 2020 #12
What legal concerns? I have none. And that is not unmasking. You do recall that all sorts of shit Demsrule86 May 2020 #20
Mine and your concerns are of no consequence. Omen78 May 2020 #21
In 2016, Obama's last year, there were 9,217 unmaskings. panader0 May 2020 #22

dalton99a

(81,656 posts)
18. Dec. 10, 2015
Thu May 14, 2020, 04:44 PM
May 2020

celebrating the 10th birthday of the Russian TV network RT


Sergey Ivanov (right), then Putin's chief of staff, sat directly across the table from Flynn at the gala. To his left, is Putin's nominal spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, who U.S. officials say is really the Russian president's de facto national security adviser.



Margarita Simonyan is a personal friend of Putin, and worked in one of his presidential campaigns before being chosen to head RT. She took Putin's seat next to Flynn when Putin went to the stage to speak.

Chainfire

(17,671 posts)
3. Flynn was always the good soldier
Thu May 14, 2020, 11:27 AM
May 2020

Taking orders from his Commander in Chief. Flynn has probably talked to the President about the bad things that could happen if he goes to prison and has too much time on his hands to develop his literary talents. If the AG can't set him free, the President will. The pardon is a powerful tool in the President's legal toolbox.

Flynn will not see prison.

maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
17. Oh, would that it were so.
Thu May 14, 2020, 02:08 PM
May 2020

Flynn will be the Trump campaign's cause celebre.

Judge Sullivan may not let him off the hook, but the process will get dragged out interminably. It all serves the RW propaganda - confusion is just as good as the truth.

 

Omen78

(81 posts)
12. Where the legal concerns come into play..
Thu May 14, 2020, 01:49 PM
May 2020

Is where someone within administration leaked the contents of the discussion and Flynn's name to the Washington Post.


Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
20. What legal concerns? I have none. And that is not unmasking. You do recall that all sorts of shit
Fri May 15, 2020, 10:54 AM
May 2020

was leaked about Hillary Clinton by the FBI right?

 

Omen78

(81 posts)
21. Mine and your concerns are of no consequence.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:58 PM
May 2020

If you're looking at where this is probably heading, then the leaking of the unmasked name and contents of the private conversation of a US citizen does become a problem.

Was this "unmasking" illegal?

No. It's common for officials of sufficient seniority. The intelligence agencies get thousands of unmasking requests every year. And the relevant agencies keep records about who makes the requests, as this week's developments have confirmed.

What may have been illegal was when an official in the White House, reviewing these reports and having unmasked Flynn, revealed some of that information to The Washington Post's David Ignatius for a column published Jan. 12, 2017. That sparked the series of events that led to Flynn's defenestration.

Will anyone be charged?

The groundwork has been laid, but it isn't clear if there is any criminal investigation underway.

Investigators, however, could try to use this now-public material to try to link people in the list to Ignatius. Trump has cited what he called the "crimes" from the Obama era and promoted a hashtag, "Obamagate," suggesting that some kind of reckoning might be coming.

[link:https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855820024/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-flynn-biden-and-unmasking-story|

I was just relaying what I had read on NPR.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
22. In 2016, Obama's last year, there were 9,217 unmaskings.
Fri May 15, 2020, 02:10 PM
May 2020

tRump calls unmasking "the greatest crime in political history."
In 2017, tRump had 9,529
in 2018, he had 16,721
in 2019, he had 10,012

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