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Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:45 PM May 2020

There was an enjoyable TV show called Room 222.

There was an enjoyable TV show called Room 222. The show had a very diverse cast which was centered on teachers and students at a diverse Los Angeles High School. This weekly program was pretty darn good for the times and dealt with then-current, and still relevant topics using drama and comedy. Episode 2 of Season 2 is titled “The Laughing Majority”. This episode, shown September, 1970, illustrates nicely how people like Trump can get elected to office.

In this episode, a teacher is getting on his class for apathy in the upcoming Student Body elections, and the title was a twist on the saying, “The Silent Majority”, a line Nixon had used in a 1969 speech to bring attention to “Middle” voters he wanted to secure. I haven’t been able to find this episode free to watch, but it is available on some pay sites. Maybe someone can find it on the net for free viewing.

The school was holding elections and there was a serious candidate for Student President, and there also was a class-clown jokester who ran on a platform of corruption. His name was Harvey, and he laughingly jokes on the whole process, but manages to get a following. I won’t spoil the ending, but it illustrates the phenomena of the Anti-Candidate.

Many people feel left behind in the political process and they may migrate to a candidate who can make them feel comfortable and wanted in a world that doesn’t understand them. The Anti-Candidate may also attract those who want revenge on a political system they think doesn’t include them in the spoils or care about their concerns. Then, there are the voters who will vote for a joke candidate who will help validate their belief the whole system is a joke.

Democrats need to keep messaging crisp, quick, easy to understand, and focus on working class and perhaps struggling Americans. The message should give voters hope for attaining an equal piece of the pie, and not feel guilty for accepting help. Convincing Americans to be comfortable getting help is important as Republicans will certainly frame help for the people as “socialism” and “welfare”, but help for business is spun as a prudent, essential duty. The Republican Party and their failings should be the focus and not just Trump. The overall fight must be against the modern Grand Old Party and their policies.

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There was an enjoyable TV show called Room 222. (Original Post) Baked Potato May 2020 OP
Great post! cilla4progress May 2020 #1
Hi! You're welcome! Baked Potato May 2020 #5
When I was a senior, murielm99 May 2020 #2
Wow, things really come around! Baked Potato May 2020 #10
Karen Valentine! House of Roberts May 2020 #3
Dang, me too! Baked Potato May 2020 #7
Oh yeah JustGene May 2020 #17
I thought I was the only one. Harker May 2020 #24
Judy Strangis! edbermac May 2020 #51
David Jolliffe i believe was the kid with the red fro. Boomerproud May 2020 #53
Correct though nowadays he whistler162 May 2020 #60
Loved that show BeyondGeography May 2020 #4
I hear you... thanks for posting the opening! Baked Potato May 2020 #14
Great, and memorable, theme song from Jerry Goldsmith... LudwigPastorius May 2020 #29
I always felt the theme song was channeling the Beatles robbob Oct 2020 #67
Good ear! The first four chords are basically the same in both songs. LudwigPastorius Oct 2020 #68
I'll see your Sergio Mendez... robbob Oct 2020 #69
Nice. LudwigPastorius Oct 2020 #70
Wow! That's some high level horn players! robbob Oct 2020 #71
That's good stuff. Right in the pocket. LudwigPastorius Oct 2020 #72
My most enduring memory of it misanthrope May 2020 #37
Idyllic! cilla4progress May 2020 #47
Karen Valentine PSPS May 2020 #6
Such a cutie! I was about 14 or so when this was on so... well.. Baked Potato May 2020 #12
Karen Valentine was my first celebrity crush. Aristus May 2020 #19
I was an old man of nine. Harker May 2020 #26
I always got a kick out of how MAD magazine called her 'Ursula UNdress'... Aristus May 2020 #31
Oh, yeah. Harker May 2020 #62
Same here misanthrope May 2020 #36
Yes, she's easy on the eyes, too... Baked Potato May 2020 #58
A very good show. It was wiped from memory by Welcome Back, Kotter bobbieinok May 2020 #8
I would be happy if the dems did ANY kind of messaging, CrispyQ May 2020 #9
I heartily agree with all you said! Baked Potato May 2020 #15
Yup. Ligyron May 2020 #38
Tax and spend Democrats vs Borrow and BLOW Republicans House of Roberts May 2020 #52
Marketing is by far our greatest weakness. We have such great substance, but no focus on packaging JudyM May 2020 #65
Pat Buchanan wrote the "silent majority" for Nixon speech btw themaguffin May 2020 #11
A real race baiter, and very astute. Baked Potato May 2020 #16
Tricky Dick had to translate it from the original German liberaltrucker May 2020 #42
And the "silent majority" morphed into the "moral majority" robbob Oct 2020 #66
Wasn't that snowybirdie May 2020 #13
No, he was in Welcome Back, Kotter csziggy May 2020 #22
with Michael Constantine choie May 2020 #18
Good for him! Baked Potato May 2020 #23
Windex! It's a miracle drug. Gidney N Cloyd May 2020 #27
I see what u did! Baked Potato May 2020 #30
Omg, too funny! catchnrelease May 2020 #39
Remember it somewhat well. I was 4-5 years-old Roland99 May 2020 #20
world's oldest looking teens...outside of grease lol nt msongs May 2020 #21
Your last paragraph is superb! cp May 2020 #25
You're welcome! Yes! Baked Potato May 2020 #63
I remember that show. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #28
I caught a few episodes of the show richdj25 May 2020 #32
Yes, that's the channel I saw Room 222 on, because I remember Julia too. Baked Potato May 2020 #54
It's this episode. mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #33
Oh my gosh! I completely forgot about that show! MoonchildCA May 2020 #34
I loved it too! Baked Potato May 2020 #61
Found it mac56 May 2020 #35
Same character and actor, but different episode. sl8 May 2020 #45
Oh shoot. mac56 May 2020 #49
Kick burrowowl May 2020 #40
I remember watching that show... the_sly_pig May 2020 #41
I loved them both! And Streets of San Francisco too... Baked Potato May 2020 #55
I LOVED that show. MontanaMama May 2020 #43
She was in the Warriors Mosby May 2020 #44
Good post! nuxvomica May 2020 #46
I think some problems require simple statements and actions, Baked Potato May 2020 #56
Oh wow! I remember that show! Tipperary May 2020 #48
I went to high school with Todd Crespi (Tom on room 222). 11 Bravo May 2020 #50
I had to go look for his picture, Baked Potato May 2020 #57
I wanted that to be my life so bad... hunter May 2020 #59
My hat is off to Teachers! Baked Potato May 2020 #64

cilla4progress

(24,789 posts)
1. Great post!
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:00 PM
May 2020

I remember that show, though not the episode. How do you remember something like this?!

Great analysis! Some Americans - maybe because America as a whole - are so immature. On one level it's not drumpf, it's the culture that spawned him, that is the biggest problem.

Thank you!

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
5. Hi! You're welcome!
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:09 PM
May 2020

A few months ago Room 222 was being shown on cable and I was thinking, man I remember this episode where this clown basically acted like you-know-who. I don’t have cable anymore and I tried to find this episode. It must be a damn conspiracy because of all the episodes available this ONE is not there! It’s a good one!

murielm99

(30,778 posts)
2. When I was a senior,
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:02 PM
May 2020

our class clown won the class presidency. The election was close, but he won. He remained a popular person with our classmates as an adult, until he died of a massive heart attack. His adult life was filled with problems, including alcoholism. Somehow, he always managed to pull things out and get back on track. At least he did that until his lifestyle caught up with him.

My husband, who was four years ahead of me, never liked the guy. My husband thought the guy was "twitchy."

I am still friends with the person who should have won.

Boomerproud

(7,973 posts)
53. David Jolliffe i believe was the kid with the red fro.
Mon May 18, 2020, 05:36 PM
May 2020

I wanted to be a history teacher because of that great show. I was the perfect age for it.

BeyondGeography

(39,388 posts)
4. Loved that show
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:09 PM
May 2020

Never dreamed watching it as a kid that 50 friggin years later so many Americans, not least the President, would still be wanting to turn the page back on these opening credits either.


LudwigPastorius

(9,206 posts)
29. Great, and memorable, theme song from Jerry Goldsmith...
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:16 PM
May 2020

That's probably the only TV theme written in the time signature of 7/4.

Goldsmith was a great writer, up there with John Williams in my estimation.

Here he is at his most Stravinsky-esque, with a cue from Star Trek The Motion Picture.

robbob

(3,539 posts)
67. I always felt the theme song was channeling the Beatles
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 09:48 AM
Oct 2020

“Fool on the Hill”. It all came back when I listened to it again.

LudwigPastorius

(9,206 posts)
68. Good ear! The first four chords are basically the same in both songs.
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 10:20 AM
Oct 2020

Have you ever heard Sergio Mendes' take on "Fool"? My parents had most of the Brasil '66 albums when I was a wee tot, so this stuff always reminds me of them.

robbob

(3,539 posts)
69. I'll see your Sergio Mendez...
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 10:29 AM
Oct 2020

and raise you a Ray Sepulveda!



...actually, search “Tropical Tribute to the Beatles”: I love this album!

LudwigPastorius

(9,206 posts)
70. Nice.
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 11:06 AM
Oct 2020

Thanks for posting.

When I grow up, I want to be the cowbell player in a salsa band.

One of my fave albums:



robbob

(3,539 posts)
71. Wow! That's some high level horn players!
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 11:25 AM
Oct 2020

I played piano in a Salsa/Merengue band for many years. More dance oriented then Latin Jazz, but boy it was fun. Lots of memories from touring across Canada.

Here’s one of my favourite tunes from our repertoire, complete with dancers and band uniforms ...

LudwigPastorius

(9,206 posts)
72. That's good stuff. Right in the pocket.
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 11:52 AM
Oct 2020

If DU ever forms a latin band, we'll know to call you to supply the montuno.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
37. My most enduring memory of it
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:53 PM
May 2020

was nothing more specific -- I don't recall any of the plots -- than the undercurrent of hope that ran through the series. I've noted over the decades that the opening credits and theme music still conjure that feeling when I see/hear them.

PSPS

(13,624 posts)
6. Karen Valentine
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:10 PM
May 2020

Karen Valentine was quite the cutie. She was 21 when the show started and will be 73 next Monday!


Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
12. Such a cutie! I was about 14 or so when this was on so... well..
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:15 PM
May 2020

for an older girl she was nice to see!

Harker

(14,064 posts)
62. Oh, yeah.
Mon May 18, 2020, 07:46 PM
May 2020

Imagine how big a letdown it was to find out her voice was overdubbed by another woman...

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
8. A very good show. It was wiped from memory by Welcome Back, Kotter
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:11 PM
May 2020

IIRC John Traviolta got his start in Kotter

The show played to all the most common stereotypes about teenagers, inner-city, etc

CrispyQ

(36,544 posts)
9. I would be happy if the dems did ANY kind of messaging,
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:11 PM
May 2020

much less, crisp, quick, easy to understand messaging. Although I get your point. But we need a marketing department, stat! We have conceded messaging to the right/repubs for over three decades! I just don't get it!

George Lakoff said in his book "Moral Politics," that the dems believe people vote more on intellect than emotion. Tell voters where your platform page is and trust they will go read it, (and the opposing side's platform, too) and the voter will make an informed decision. The repubs know that millions of people vote on emotion. If you can sway them to your side, even with deceptive messaging, you can win. Frame the debate, capture the narrative, win the vote. We are 30+ years behind the 8-ball on messaging.

Lies about the Republican Party that millions of Americans believe without question:

Pro-life party
Party of God
Family values party
Fiscal conservatives
Party of personal responsibility


We have never challenged any of their popular right wing memes.

Trickle down economics --> Trickle ON economics (or Piss on economics)
Tax and spend democrats --> Tax CUT and spend republicans
No child left behind --> No child left behind if you're already at the front of the class

If I can come up with these lame ideas, a sharp marketing team could come up with dozens of winners and put together a thorough campaign of crisp, quick, progressive messages.

on edit: I loved that show! Going to look for it.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
15. I heartily agree with all you said!
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:25 PM
May 2020

The emotion part is very important! I hope Joe can hit them with short, easy to understand points that make people feel secure with Democratic values. And the intellect point, yes, too much intellect freezes out a lot of voters. Thanks...

House of Roberts

(5,190 posts)
52. Tax and spend Democrats vs Borrow and BLOW Republicans
Mon May 18, 2020, 05:28 PM
May 2020

There's never anything left to show but the debt, when Republicans spend money.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
65. Marketing is by far our greatest weakness. We have such great substance, but no focus on packaging
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:24 PM
May 2020

We need a Lakoff-schooled marketing whiz team.

robbob

(3,539 posts)
66. And the "silent majority" morphed into the "moral majority"
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 09:46 AM
Oct 2020

under Reagan. Why are the GOP always trying to divide Americans? The coastal blue states vs. The “real Americans” in the more rural states? It’s been going on for a long time now.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
22. No, he was in Welcome Back, Kotter
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:54 PM
May 2020

Similar TV show, set in a high school, about the same time - Room 222 was 1969-74, Kotter was 1974-78.

cp

(6,673 posts)
25. Your last paragraph is superb!
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:08 PM
May 2020

Thank you for writing this post.
Especially: "Democrats need to keep messaging crisp, quick, easy to understand, and focus on working class and perhaps struggling Americans."
And: "he Republican Party and their failings should be the focus and not just Trump. The overall fight must be against the modern Grand Old Party and their policies."

Now I say "Trump and his enablers" every chance I get.

richdj25

(164 posts)
32. I caught a few episodes of the show
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:32 PM
May 2020

via my cable-TV provider, Verizon. The channel is called "Aspire". Don't know if they're still showing Room 222, given I haven't been watching much TV these days. The channel also showed another old school program called Julia, which I believe was from the same era (late 60's, early 70's).

Brought back a whole lot of memories.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
34. Oh my gosh! I completely forgot about that show!
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:37 PM
May 2020

I loved it! I’m going to find it right now and watch an episode while I have lunch.

sl8

(13,949 posts)
45. Same character and actor, but different episode.
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:51 PM
May 2020

The OP is referring to the season 2 episode, "The Laughing Majority". The funny guy guy is the same in both episodes.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1336878/

nuxvomica

(12,454 posts)
46. Good post!
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:54 PM
May 2020

Some nice analysis there and I fondly remember that show from my childhood. I think it airs in the early morning hours on a digital channel of a local broadcast station around here.

You've addressed one of my biggest concerns, the following that Trump has managed to put together, including people that are otherwise sane. How do you break through to that crowd? It's a question we need to be constantly thinking about. I think Trump won't be re-elected but that following will continue. Kaiser Wilhelm had a similar following and after WWI he was out of power but that same demographic is what later became the core of Nazi supporters.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
56. I think some problems require simple statements and actions,
Mon May 18, 2020, 06:10 PM
May 2020

and not a big heavy duty public analysis. Safety and security are most important, and when the trust is there for that, everything else can fall in line. We really needed these 4 years to cause real change. Now the job will be harder and take longer.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
50. I went to high school with Todd Crespi (Tom on room 222).
Mon May 18, 2020, 04:46 PM
May 2020

He was (and presumably still is) a good dude.

hunter

(38,339 posts)
59. I wanted that to be my life so bad...
Mon May 18, 2020, 07:36 PM
May 2020

... alas my career as a big city school teacher was short-lived.

My wife and I were big city school science teachers when we married. When my wife was accepted to graduate school in another state I followed her.

Teaching was, by far, the most difficult job I've ever had, nothing like Room 222 or Welcome Back Kotter. It was in my head 24/7 and for every problem I solved there were multiple horrors I could not.




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