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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,320 posts)
Wed May 20, 2020, 07:47 PM May 2020

Coronavirus May Spread via Pillows Used by Presymptomatic COVID-19 Patients

People infected with the coronavirus who were not yet showing symptoms spread the germ to a range of surfaces in a hotel room, including pillow cases, a sheet, and duvet, a study has revealed.

The virus contaminated surfaces in less than 24 hours, despite the patients being pre-symptomatic, according to a study published in the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases.

Pre-symptomatic patients "may easily contaminate the environment," the authors wrote.

To learn more about the pre-symptomatic spread of SARS-CoV-2 (the coronavirus which causes COVID-19), the researchers tested swabs taken from a hotel room where two Chinese students were quarantined. The students had been studying overseas. One, referred to as patient A, had returned on March 19 and patient B on March 20.

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https://www.newsweek.com/presymptomatic-patients-contaminate-covid-hotel-rooms-1505302?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=wired&utm_mailing=WIR_Science_052020&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=WIR_Science&bxid=5be9f8cb24c17c6adf0e5d24&cndid=25394153&esrc=bounceX&source=EDT_WIR_NEWSLETTER_0_SCIENCE_ZZ

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csziggy

(34,139 posts)
2. So what about the CDC announcement that Covid-19 'does not spread easily' via contaminated surfaces?
Wed May 20, 2020, 08:14 PM
May 2020
The virus does not spread easily in other ways

COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning about how it spreads. It may be possible for COVID-19 to spread in other ways, but these are not thought to be the main ways the virus spreads.

From touching surfaces or objects. It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.
From animals to people. At this time, the risk of COVID-19 spreading from animals to people is considered to be low. Learn about COVID-19 and pets and other animals.
From people to animals. It appears that the virus that causes COVID-19 can spread from people to animals in some situations. CDC is aware of a small number of pets worldwide, including cats and dogs, reported to be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, mostly after close contact with people with COVID-19. Learn what you should do if you have pets.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
10. My conclusion is that the revised CDC guidelines are as watered down as a...
Thu May 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
May 2020

Billy Barr Mueller Report Memo.

So, yeah, pretty worthless.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
6. If yiou read the article in the OP, the headline is misleading
Wed May 20, 2020, 08:24 PM
May 2020

The article says that "pillow and duvet covers" were contaminated, not that the PILLOWS were contaminated. Every hotel I have been in has washed the linens at the very least between guests. Since we have been told repeatedly that soap and water are more than adequate for killing the virus on our hands, it should be the same for hotel linens.

In addition, the students had been quarantined in the rooms so this was not a normal changeover from guest to guest, it was an enforced confinement with unspecified frequency of linen changes, if any.

I suspect that casual touching of surfaces is not a common way of transmitting the virus but prolonged (days in the same room with the same linens) and intimate (sleeping and washing for days) contact is more likely to provide enough viral load on the linens to be a concern.

SWBTATTReg

(22,183 posts)
8. Wouldn't the virus have to be viable in order to react w/ the detection process? E.g. react w/ an
Thu May 21, 2020, 12:36 PM
May 2020

agent of some sort in order to determine if the CV is present on each of the surfaces they tested...

I assume that there wouldn't be any antibodies either since they are positive for the CV (both), so they wouldn't use an antibody test for objects (unless they had the CV long enough for their bodies to develop antibodies too (still relatively low in numbers)).

Man, there is so much to learn, in so little time. And we have a fart head president who is worthless.

It's not funny anymore. Thanks for the heads up / additional information and be safe.

Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
12. It has to be prolonged exposure.
Thu May 21, 2020, 12:56 PM
May 2020

A pillow case would be an example of prolonged exposure. A pre-symptomatic person touching a box of cereal in a store would not be prolonged exposure.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
13. That's what I figured
Thu May 21, 2020, 01:02 PM
May 2020

And I've wondered about the people who wipe down every single object that comes into their house. I see that as completely unnecessary - and a waste of wipes.

Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
14. If you could contract it from touching packages, we would have seen major spikes
Thu May 21, 2020, 01:14 PM
May 2020

The pattern seems to be prolonged exposure to people with the virus in enclosed places where the air is re-circulated. So, workplaces, nursing homes, public transportation, airplanes, cruise ships, bars, movie theaters, etc.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
15. Yes, while I have been staying home, I have not been isolated from people
Thu May 21, 2020, 01:25 PM
May 2020

We're nearing the end of an addition to our house, so construction crews have been in & out since February. I'm 67, my husband, 68. but we have not been sick (other than sinusitis caused by pollen). My husband does most of the shopping, since he has to make trips into town to take a friend to doctor's appointments. He wears a homemade mask but no gloves and we've never wiped anything down.

For us, this has seemed to work - though neither of us is immune compromised, we both have health issues.

I do think people should take precautions that keep them comfortable. If they feel the need to isolate and wipe everything down, then that is their choice.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
5. This does not show that the virus will remain after normal cleaning of the room
Wed May 20, 2020, 08:18 PM
May 2020

Which includes washing of all linens. From the link in the OP:


When they arrived in China, neither had a fever or any symptoms of COVID-19, but were taken to a hotel for a 14-day quarantine. Every morning and afternoon, local medical staff checked their body temperature and if they had developed symptoms. On day two, neither had a fever or symptoms. Regardless, they were tested for the coronavirus, and their results came back positive. They were sent to a local hospital for treatment, and still didn't show any symptoms despite nose, sputum, and fecal samples testing positive and containing high levels of the SARS-CoV-2.

After two days in the hospital, patient A developed a fever and a cough. By day six, patient B had a fever and cough, and scans revealed issues with her lungs.

The researchers took swabs from surfaces in the students' two hotel rooms three hours after they tested positive. They took samples from the pillow and duvet covers, sheet, and towel, as well as the door and faucet handles, light switch, the room's thermometer, television remote, bathroom door handle, and toilet seat and flush. The students were the only people to recently stay in the room, as the hotel was closed from January 24 due to lockdown measures. To add a control to their study, the scientists also collected samples from an unoccupied room.


Note that it says "pillow and duvet covers" and not from the pillow as stated in the headline.
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