Well done!

People who won't wear masks and don't do social distancing don't care.
They don't care if they have it .. they don't care if they infect anyone else because they don't CARE. period. They only care about their own interests. They care about what they want to do ... only.... they don't care about anyone else Not at all..
you can't appeal to them on that level because they won't CARE and they think those of us who do care are nuts.

and talk about how many lives trump is saving by suggesting it?

But I doubt it. He wont wear one either because he doesn't care. They don't care................... Don't CARE. Nothing anyone says will change that. nothing that happens will change that. If you try.. and why not.. you will be knocking your head against a brick wall.

"i listen to russian bots and not the stupid scientists!"

They, our forefathers, realized back then it was not a political ploy, it was biological. How did the Spanish Flu go away? It ran out of fuel, because everyone kept their distance and wore their masks.

Now imagine if we all wore our mask and kept our distance from one or another..... miracle or just plain science?

I say science.... something trumpers dont believe and never will.

The people who have died from this would never have chosen it as a way to go, regardless.

Those who insist on their "freedom" need to respect everyone else's. Mine would be freedom from selfish fools who put my life at risk while insisting I watch them do it.

They wouldn't tolerate someone else drunk driving down the highway at any speed and in any lane because that's freedom, would they?

have just caused a family rift for me with 2 relatives that will probably not be healed. My apologies that this is so long, but I need to get it off my chest in a place where people can understand.

First, there was my brother, who is 77, has serious COPD, and lives in FL. I am not on facebook, so we communicate with texts or e-mails. Our parents are both deceased, as are 2 siblings, leaving him and me as the last of our immediate family of origin .

I texted and e-mailed him to see how he's doing. By the next day , when he had not responded, I texted a cousin, who is on Facebook, to ask if he knew anything about my brother. He must have passed the word along because I soon received a response from my brother to my e-mail.

My parents, other siblings, and I are/were all Democrats. This brother has always been very conservative. He is a Trumpist. I have avoided discussing politics with him by ignoring his attempts to bring it up, for the sake of peace. When my mother was dying, she urged me to stay in touch with my brother by saying, "He loves you, even though he does not always show it."

But this time, I responded when he ridiculed my description of my precautions (face mask, social distancing). He bragged that he was supporting the economy by going out to casinos and other public places without such precautions. Said he feels fine and is not afraid.

Then he went on to repeat, almost verbatim, every criticism of Cuomo that Trump has voiced, calling Cuomo a nut case for crying publicly over the lack of PPE and equipment. He took a very patronizing older brother position that I was influenced by "that nut case" (Cuomo) because I live in NY, as if I cannot make my own political decisions. He said that Trump is a nut, too, but at least you know where he stands because he tells it like it is.

So I told him that I have avoided political discussions with him for the sake of family peace, but I am and always have been a registered Dem. I gave him facts about Cuomo and the covid situation in NY to counter his RW talking points. I said that I am a committed Dem who was supposed to be a Dem poll worker this year. (Backed out due to covid and my susceptibility).

Following is my verbatim response to my brother's claim that Trump tells it like it is.

"Every time Trump speaks, he makes Pinocchio sound like Honest Abe by comparison. Speaking crudely and acting boorish is not the same thing as being straitforward and honest." I ended by saying that we will not change each others' minds and should not try to. I wished him good health and told him to be safe.

Then I noticed that my cousin had texted me back that he will be in PA, just over the state border from me, for his wife's family reunion in a couple weeks. Said they will stop by to visit me.

Uh-oh. Like my brother, this cousin is ex-military, tough guy, and a Trumpist. His father and mine were close so we grew up together as more like brother and sister than cousins. His father is a dedicated Dem at age 90, so I don't know where his RW views come from.

Anyway, this cousin does not wear a mask or do social distancing. He will drive from SC to PA, and visit there with people from various places who also oppose precautions (small town rural RW), and then come to see me. I have underlying conditions, which he knows about.

So, my apt. building's management has signs at the entrance lobby and at the elevator, requiring masks in public areas (halls) and limiting the number and frequency of outside visitors. (Several seniors live here.) I have decided to require the cousin to meet me outdoors in a nearby park. I will wear a mask and refuse to let him hug me in greeting. Have not yet informed him of these "rules of engagement." Will tell him in advance and I expect that he will decide not to come at all.

Even worse, after all that unprotected travel, he plans to visit his 90 year old father.

As the saying goes, you can choose your friends, but not your relatives.

Unlike almost everything I've said on the same subject.

Very admirable.