Yeah, I wouldn’t argue. I’d leave it with something along the lines of “stay safe”.

But all of them show hospitalizations spiking. A lot.

It IS a higher-level skill.
I taught high school for 30 years, and I had students - otherwise bright - who simply could not translate graphs into words or vice versa.
I'm convinced it is something akin to dyslexia.

This'll be my last year, but I know what you're saying...I've had those kids, too.

But I think with Trumpists it's just a matter of refusing to see.

In TX and FL it is over 15%. This indicates we are also not doing enough tests as the positive rate shouldn’t be any more than 5% if we hope to control the outbreak.

I get the sense that the reason the graph of new COVID19 cases has a 7-day cycle is because there are certain days of the week (Saturday and Sunday) when we do far less testing than other days.

They didn't need facts to form their opinions and facts won't change that.

Their opinions are based on emotions, not the truth.

but 'polite' and educational/informative are my preferences.

A bit over the top but "Click it or Ticket" seemed to work.

The number of tests the USA has done

When that shows lower amount

What argument would come next??

OK....wait for it.

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Or "do the research". As if that proves or justifies their dumbass whackadoodledoo dipshit "theories". Fucking magat morons.

Get out your smartphone and google what they claim.

Look for websites ending in .edu, which ic where all the scientific studies live. The data for just about anything is online
and once you get used to looking for scientific papers ( weird titles for sure), it is pretty easy to debunk the Republican in ones midst.

Don’t argue with them about “facts”.

Tel them Rupert Murdoch is suckering them.


It’s the only way.

Just because you don't take a test that says you are pregnant, doesn't mean you aren't pregnant. Then I think to myself, "you idiot"

...be safe to drink, by this “logic.”

Of all the dumbass things Trump has said, this bit about we won’t have new cases if we don’t test is especially infuriating. Probably because I work in health care.

My forehead is getting calloused.

My suggestion is to say something simple but don't get caught in an argument with them becsuse they don't want facts.

and they get more upset when they are proven wrong.

They are so brainwashed. Until they are directly affected and suffer they will never break from their stupidity. And even then it’s doubtful. We need a clockwork orange type of deprogramming In this country. And bring back the fairness doctrine and reinstate media ownership rules.

No longer speaking to my batshit crazy /right-wing brother.

You're in a significantly different situation since you're married to this guy's mother who, I suppose, won't argue with him. You have my sympathy.

They are a threat to your health right now. They are walking Covid-19 disease vectors.

I have (had) a buddy that is a Trumper. He parroted the same shit and is a NURSE!!!

He is also hospice! I feel terrible for anyone that has him on their final weeks in life. POS should have never taken his oath.

On edit: He used to be a DJ, but the bottom fell out of that job. He has said becoming a nurse was the worst mistake of his life.

So is it his excuse that he just can't be forced to give a damn about anyone but himself?

Some people go into medicine to do research and heal people. Some people go into medicine just to prove how smart they are, and they are not in it to help people. I've seen both kinds at a major medical school.

Start with a baseline of facts.

Point A (The baseline) Do you agree that we have consistently increased testing week after week or month after month?

Point B. Despite the increase in testing, do you know that the number of reported case were going down? (The myth buster question... More testing but decreasing numbers)

If they give an excuse or justification for the false information that they believe, that’s where you end the conversation because it’ll only frustrate you. You’d be talking to a brick wall.

I've found that approach can make people a little less defensive because you're blaming somebody else who told them something stupid. It wrong foots them. I use the opportunity to change the subject--fast. YMMV, you might choose to pursue it. Or not.

It's better than banging your head into a brick wall when they stiffen up and get completely defensive, the more idiotic the statement, the harder they cling to it.

I’m lucky in that nobody I know well is a cult member, but that’s a great phrase to use just in case I ever do need it.

Wrong footing them allows for a strategic retreat, if nothing else.

Bombastic speechifying spreads Covid.

we can not choose our Relatives. But,we do not have to waste time on a lost cause.

Evidently we all have some of these relatives and unfortunately, that includes most of mine. Presenting facts will do nothing. These people are not in touch with reality.

Go right to the foundation.

Tell them Murdoch lies to them and why. Including lying to them about coronavirus

Life is much better that way.

I came to a similar conclusion recently.

I've always tried to keep my social media relatively politics free, because I know I have right wing relatives.

But, they never shut up about their beliefs, so I decided I'm no longer letting them silence me out of some misguided sense of politeness.

Now, I've got a bunch of relatives who I will probably never speak to again, given who they've proven themselves to be.

The kicker? I'm glad they've shown me the ugliest side of themselves, because I don't feel bad about it. They are not good people, not decent people, they are hate-filled people. I don't need them in my life or my kids' lives.

it was relayed to my wife through my mother in law that he read online that some guy whet for a covid test but couldn't get one, but he got a call that he had tested positive. so since this ONE example exists he has concluded all the tests are fake and none one is even sick.............

don't want to get into the whole dynamics of this family thing but suffice it to say............. i rarely see him, and when i do, if we get anywhere near the topic of politics, i change the subject....

I was telling a friend that I could no longer tolerate any trumpanzies, or anti maskers or loudmouth rwnj's. I can't do it anymore. I'll delete them on facebook, I'll interrupt their stupid comments. I just can't take it. Damn i'm tired of it At the firemans club I belong to they already know they are going to get abused verbally by me so they are just quiet in their corner. I'm just tired.....So fucking tired.
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'vaguely' relation family. The hardcore trumps and Q's have been eliminated from my life. I want zero trace of their existence.

are the conspiracy theories. Gah!!

have anyone in my family who is like that.

Except my ex husband who is far away.

I really don’t try to change their minds anymore. It’s virtually impossible.

But I can get their attention through bringing up a totally different but incriminating topic. They don’t like hearing facts and truths. When they respond with inevitable lies or crazy change the subject again to another truth — just like they do. Project their projection back.

hospitals are being overrun with a surge in COVID infections.

ask them what in the world that has to do with increased testing.

then when you see the dumb looks on their faces, see if you can discern it from their regular look.