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Kanye West? (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2020 OP
That will probably be most older people's LuvNewcastle Jul 2020 #1
No problem with trump voters switching to Kanye. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #2
Haven't figured out what the con here is, Thomas Hurt Jul 2020 #3
I'm pretty sure they think Kanye MontanaMama Jul 2020 #4
It's not about getting blacks to vote for him. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #6
Won't happen. Black people know he's nuts and won't waste their vote. brush Jul 2020 #9
A majority absolutely. But you're insane if you don't think a few will. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #10
Nah, we're pragmatic voters, who we think can win. West ain't it and this... brush Jul 2020 #11
It doesn't matter how pragmatic. This is likely to be a tight race anyway. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #12
You're pushing this awfully hard. Why? brush Jul 2020 #13
You keep saying 'we'. Who is 'we' in this scenario? Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #14
Repugs elected trump. Black voters showed discipline in the... brush Jul 2020 #16
No one? Zero people will vote for him? Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #17
I think a majority of "Blacks for Trump" BlueIdaho Jul 2020 #18
And I worry Kanye will do much better than he has any business doing with young voters. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #19
"Blacks for Trump" keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #23
Totally agree with you, brush. writes3000 Jul 2020 #15
Biden doesn't have the targeted propaganda that Hillary did, convincing some people she was racist. betsuni Jul 2020 #20
No but he also doesn't have the type of enthusiasm from younger voters as Obama. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #21
Of course he doesn't. 2008 was unique. 2016 and 2020 are different. betsuni Jul 2020 #24
No one who takes their vote seriously will vote for him RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #25
The batshit Republican Party just divided itself. C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #5
Trump won't have to worry about any of his supporters voting Kanye. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #8
"NEVER HEARD OF HER" quickesst Jul 2020 #7
Kanye is Trump's bitch tirebiter Jul 2020 #22
He seems to have what it takes to make America great again dalton99a Jul 2020 #26

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
1. That will probably be most older people's
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:02 AM
Jul 2020

reaction. I only know who he is because I saw something about him and his trashy wife on television. Some kind of entertainment news. But now that we have Trump in the White House, we have to be careful with these bottomfeeders. You never know when they might start to look good to the voters, whoever they are nowadays. They could intermarry with the Megan and Harry clan and make us an American royal family. No more Constitution, nobody knew what it said, anyway.

MontanaMama

(23,310 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure they think Kanye
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jul 2020

will eat into the Dem vote because black Americans might vote for him instead of Biden. Not happening is my guess.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
6. It's not about getting blacks to vote for him.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:16 AM
Jul 2020

It's getting enough blacks and younger voters to deliver a narrow election to Trump.

Even if Kanye only wins 5% of black votes, it might be enough to throw states like Michigan and Pennsylvania Trump's way.

And even if Kanye wins 10% of the younger vote, it might be enough to throw states like Wisconsin Trump's way.

brush

(53,771 posts)
9. Won't happen. Black people know he's nuts and won't waste their vote.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:27 AM
Jul 2020

We backed Biden because he of all the Dem candidates can beat trump. West is not and won't be on the radar.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
10. A majority absolutely. But you're insane if you don't think a few will.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:29 AM
Jul 2020

It won't take a lot, either.

Remember, Hillary lost PA by just 44,292. That's a paltry percentage.

616,672 blacks (estimate based on exit polls) cast a ballot in 2016 in PA.

Of that, Hillary won 92%. Trump won 7%.

7% of 616,672 is 43,167 - just a thousand or so votes off Trump's margin,

If they voted Trump in 2016, they could vote for Kanye in 2020.

brush

(53,771 posts)
11. Nah, we're pragmatic voters, who we think can win. West ain't it and this...
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:34 AM
Jul 2020

so-called campaign won't amount to shit. You know he's bi-polar, right? He'll lose interest soon. If he gets on any ballots, get back to us.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. It doesn't matter how pragmatic. This is likely to be a tight race anyway.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:36 AM
Jul 2020

Remember, Hillary lost PA by just 44,292. That's a paltry percentage.

616,672 blacks (estimate based on exit polls) cast a ballot in 2016 in PA.

Of that, Hillary won 92%. Trump won 7%.

7% of 616,672 is 43,167 - just a thousand or so votes off Trump's margin,

If they voted Trump in 2016, they could vote for Kanye in 2020 - and all it would take is a thousand or so more to vote to throw the election potentially.

And that doesn't even get into younger voters, who aren't as pragmatic.

brush

(53,771 posts)
13. You're pushing this awfully hard. Why?
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:39 AM
Jul 2020

This is a transparent, silly attempt to siphon off votes. We aren't that stupid.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
14. You keep saying 'we'. Who is 'we' in this scenario?
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:46 AM
Jul 2020

I didn't know you had the authority to speak to every single voter out there.

Clearly America is stupid because we just elected Trump four years ago.

7% of blacks crossed over in PA in 2016 to vote for Trump.

Nearly the entire margin of votes that Hillary lost the state by.

Beyond that, blacks made up 13% of the vote in PA in 2012 and 10% in 2016 - a decrease of three-percent. Had those three-percent voted, Hillary wins the state.

It's not about what you think - it's about what a few hundred per precinct think.

And you keep ignoring younger voters, who very well could cross over at a higher rate than blacks and hurt Biden in states like Wisconsin and Arizona, two states with huge college-aged voting populations.

brush

(53,771 posts)
16. Repugs elected trump. Black voters showed discipline in the...
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:50 AM
Jul 2020

primaries and waited to back Biden in South Carolina and other states from then on.

No one is foolish enough vote for West. He'll be off his meds soon and forget about this all together. He is of no import.

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
20. Biden doesn't have the targeted propaganda that Hillary did, convincing some people she was racist.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:15 AM
Jul 2020

Especially in swing states.

Susan Bordo: "Among the most unjust consequences of ... branding Clinton as an establishment tool was the effect on young African Americans. Their parents, particularly their mothers -- were virtually solid in their support for Clinton ... . .... But for many millennials, both black and white, "1994 Crime Bill" and "super-predator" said all one needed to know about Clinton. Some spoke as though she was personally responsible for the spike in mass incarceration that was a consequence of her husband's bill."

This was nipped in the bud this time.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
21. No but he also doesn't have the type of enthusiasm from younger voters as Obama.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 02:22 AM
Jul 2020

And that's a real problem with Kanya in the race.

it's all moot, tho, because I don't think he's actually running. But if he were to get on the ballot in some states? Yeah, I think it'd hurt Biden.

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
24. Of course he doesn't. 2008 was unique. 2016 and 2020 are different.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 06:47 AM
Jul 2020

Eight years of a Republican administration that made a disaster of the economy, Iraq War, torture, surveillance of Americans -- the Republican Party was deeply unpopular. Of course Obama had a lot of enthusiasm. The media didn't attack him constantly. Republicans didn't really put up a fight, they knew they'd lose. He didn't have pseudo-leftists attacking him until after he was elected.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
25. No one who takes their vote seriously will vote for him
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 06:54 AM
Jul 2020

And if you're planning on voting for Kanye you probably weren't showing up otherwise.

C_U_L8R

(45,000 posts)
5. The batshit Republican Party just divided itself.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:16 AM
Jul 2020

Now the maga batshits have their choice of two bonkers idiots. Pretty slick job there, geniuses.

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