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highplainsdem

(49,121 posts)
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:04 PM Jul 2020

Norm Eisen says Wharton could rescind Trump's degree for having someone else take his SAT






Wharton should immediately investigate whether Trump paid someone to take the SAT and obtained his admission by fraud.

If so, the degree should be rescinded.

There is no statute of limitations on plagiarism, and this allegation is even worse.
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Norm Eisen says Wharton could rescind Trump's degree for having someone else take his SAT (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2020 OP
Hit Him From All Sides! leftieNanner Jul 2020 #1
Yes!!! C Moon Jul 2020 #19
Yes SouthernCal_Dem Jul 2020 #2
If they find this is the case, they should also immediately release his transcripts Mike 03 Jul 2020 #3
+1 lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #7
Look, I'm all for attacking on all fronts (sides, backs, etc.) matt819 Jul 2020 #4
You can't, but it will rattle the Dumpus. That's good enough for me. fleur-de-lisa Jul 2020 #10
It's proven all the time by signature matching greenjar_01 Jul 2020 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2020 #56
Very much doubt it, as I say in the post you're responding to greenjar_01 Jul 2020 #59
It is my understanding that he transferred into Penn after 2 years at Fordham, unitedwethrive Jul 2020 #5
Yes they look at your SAT. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #8
I just checked Wharton's website jmowreader Jul 2020 #9
It's not a BA in Economics - it's a BS in Economics Pachamama Jul 2020 #62
Oops. Sorry. jmowreader Jul 2020 #63
Keep it quiet Captain_New_York Jul 2020 #16
I listen to WFUV... that's *my* big connection! SMC22307 Jul 2020 #58
Look, of course it took an additional four years HuskyOffset Jul 2020 #52
Felicity Huffman went to jail for SAT fraud. tinrobot Jul 2020 #6
Exactly! For something the uber-wealthy have.. Duppers Jul 2020 #29
Do it! Jirel Jul 2020 #11
Hey, if Lori Laughlin's kids get the boot. . . And Donald Trump Jr. busted her balls about it. 😂😂 TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #26
Or did they just normalize cheating on another test? Brainfodder Jul 2020 #12
Doubtful that they'd be able to prove it at this point greenjar_01 Jul 2020 #13
oh, yes they can essme Jul 2020 #17
I would not be too sure of that. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #32
is it possible they may the records on tape abakan Jul 2020 #35
Possibly. A lot of companies did record old documents on microfiche before destroying the paper. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #39
When I was an undergraduate in 1960 I worked one COLGATE4 Jul 2020 #53
The undergraduate program at Wharton is rated #1 in the US NewJeffCT Jul 2020 #40
The person who was paid to take the test neohippie Jul 2020 #47
Trump has been credibly accused of 20+ sexual assaults greenjar_01 Jul 2020 #50
Apparently, he has passed away. smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #54
This has nothing to do with plagiarism. Don't muddy the waters! marybourg Jul 2020 #14
It has everything to do with plagiarism essme Jul 2020 #18
I want them to take it seriously. marybourg Jul 2020 #37
All I have to say is Politicub Jul 2020 #20
Anyone Here Think He DIDN'T Cheat While At Wharton? ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #21
I bet each of his papers has a different voice, from each of their authors. TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #24
Likely A Slam Dunk For Them ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #25
Exactly! Turn-it-in and other services check more recent papers, but this UK firm does older papers TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #28
I'm Not Worried! ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #31
But how to prove it? I doubt anyone Ilsa Jul 2020 #44
From start to finish malaise Jul 2020 #27
I bet he didn't cheat NewJeffCT Jul 2020 #41
I Knew All That ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #42
Yeah, but then Joe Shaprio would be also guilty of academic fraud and could get punished. TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #22
Yup. If true, this guy should bear the consequences as well. roamer65 Jul 2020 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2020 #57
Well, that saves him the grief. roamer65 Jul 2020 #60
It would be nice but they won't do it. kimbutgar Jul 2020 #23
Heavens, not a twitter attack. The horror. flibbitygiblets Jul 2020 #30
This is something we DUers have thought Duppers Jul 2020 #33
After so long it's impossible to zentrum Jul 2020 #34
Remember when he wanted Obama's college grades released? Marie Marie Jul 2020 #36
Anyone taking bets that one or several of his children went the same route? fierywoman Jul 2020 #38
If this criminal's ego wasn't so big, none of it would have come out Denvermosaic Jul 2020 #43
He should re-take the test jayschool2013 Jul 2020 #45
He probably had everyone at the university sign a NDA Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #46
Penn has the 1968 graduation program available on their website. Old Terp Jul 2020 #48
He didnt take any tests, surely they know that now...Of did he graduate with a 1.0? Eliot Rosewater Jul 2020 #51
Impeach his degree! yellowcanine Jul 2020 #55
But didn't he get a doctorate from Trump University nakocal Jul 2020 #61
I hope he's plagued by a ton of warts Blue Owl Jul 2020 #64

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. If they find this is the case, they should also immediately release his transcripts
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jul 2020

because what he allegedly did was an implicit breach of contract, freeing them of honoring his confidentiality.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
4. Look, I'm all for attacking on all fronts (sides, backs, etc.)
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jul 2020

But how do you prove this unless someone comes forward, and how does he prove it?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
15. It's proven all the time by signature matching
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jul 2020

I'd bet they disqualify hundreds if not thousands of tests a year through signature matching, and that's not the ones where somebody is rejected for a bad ID in the test room. Computer-based tests maybe a little different, but paper tests have been disqualified for failing a signature match A LOT.

Unfortunately, the physical test Trump took has probably been destroyed, so there won't be a comparison. That said, Trump's signature is so distinctive that if he did have somebody else take the test and the test still exists, it's going to be pretty obvious.

Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #15)

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
5. It is my understanding that he transferred into Penn after 2 years at Fordham,
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jul 2020

does one need SAT scored to transfer colleges? Also, it is interesting that after 2 years at Fordham, it still took him an additional 4 years to get a bachelor's degree (in econ, not business as he often states).

Anyone know if Wharton actually gives out undergrad degrees in econ? Or is it a Penn degree?

jmowreader

(50,590 posts)
9. I just checked Wharton's website
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jul 2020

“Economics” is the name of any BA you get from Wharton. They don’t have a Bachelor of Business Administration degree like some business schools offer.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
62. It's not a BA in Economics - it's a BS in Economics
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jul 2020

I know because I have that on my degree from Wharton Undergraduate



Captain_New_York

(161 posts)
16. Keep it quiet
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jul 2020

As a proud Fordham GBA married to a Fordham Law we are very happy the orange stain doesn’t speak of life on Rose Hill. My wife’s family has over 100 alumni of Fordham and connections like her grandfather was one of the founders of the law school. We are very grateful Dump left

HuskyOffset

(892 posts)
52. Look, of course it took an additional four years
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jul 2020

He was a very busy man, those prostitutes aren't going to fuck themselves, now are they? It was like goddamn Vietnam in there, son. The horrors...the horrors...

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
12. Or did they just normalize cheating on another test?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:45 PM
Jul 2020


Is this guy on the level on ANY FUCKING THING?



He has to be a dunce, he thinks his orange face and hair looks beautiful/acceptable+?

Won't show his medical records, grades, and taxes?
Republicans don't give a fuck, they just want a body as President, and as long as agenda is pursued and stock pricing are pleasing; that shallow?

Picked a 100% total yuge loser and continue the propping?

Now finally consequences.



Lonestarblue

(10,159 posts)
32. I would not be too sure of that.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jul 2020

The College Board moved its offices from north of Columbus Circle a few years ago into a smaller space in the Wall Street area. Unless they decided to keep old records and store them offsite with some group like Iron Mountain, records so old may have been destroyed. They would probably require a court subpoena to respond even to the question of whether they still have the records. The University of Pennsylvania might decide to pursue this just to ensure that others do not try the same tactic to gain admission.

Trump likes to brag that he has a degree from Wharton, which is technically correct I suppose, but it is the Wharton MBA program that is internationally acclaimed, not the undergrad program. I’m sure the undergrad program is good, but the Wharton name is most associated with the graduate MBA program. I doubt Trump would have been admitted to the that program.

Lonestarblue

(10,159 posts)
39. Possibly. A lot of companies did record old documents on microfiche before destroying the paper.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jul 2020

I don’t know the College Board’s document retention policies, but it’s possible that they still have records in some form. Microfiche was invented in 1961, so it would have been available for records storage after it caught on. I’m assuming that Trump would have paid someone to take the SAT for him in 1964, the year he graduated from the military academy.

I really hope Penn follows up with this. A lot of parents whose kids sweat over the SAT would most likely be pretty upset.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
53. When I was an undergraduate in 1960 I worked one
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jul 2020

summer at the Registrar's Office microfiching old WW II Navy V-7 records (from training Naval Aviators there during WW II). This stuff is available on microfiche.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
40. The undergraduate program at Wharton is rated #1 in the US
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

Their graduate program is rated #2 behind Stanford
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings


However, Trump initially got into Fordham before transferring to Penn, so Fordham could also investigate.

For years, Donny used to imply that he had an MBA from Wharton, though. If he tried that in the private sector - claiming an MBA when he only had an undergraduate degree, he'd get fired.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
47. The person who was paid to take the test
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jul 2020

Couldn't the person who was paid to take the test give testimony to that fact?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
50. Trump has been credibly accused of 20+ sexual assaults
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jul 2020

You're counting on testimony from somebody who he paid to take an SAT?

The only way this is proven is by clear documentary evidence. Unlike others in this thread, I don't actually think the SAT saves tests this long in some archive. The docs are long gone.

essme

(1,207 posts)
18. It has everything to do with plagiarism
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:12 PM
Jul 2020

the "waters are not being muddied."

Wharton has a reputation, and they will take this seriously.

marybourg

(12,650 posts)
37. I want them to take it seriously.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:52 PM
Jul 2020

But not by using an epithet which is not a crime and which depends on an underlying copyright infringement. That's not what happened here. It will just cause confusion.

ProfessorGAC

(65,400 posts)
21. Anyone Here Think He DIDN'T Cheat While At Wharton?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jul 2020

I doubt it.
Just like his new press secretary.
Cheating as a way of life, includes college.

TheBlackAdder

(28,253 posts)
24. I bet each of his papers has a different voice, from each of their authors.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jul 2020

.

There is a firm in the UK than can compare essays to see if they were plagiarized or written by the same person.

They even have a database that compares prior essays from multiple countries to identify the true authors.

.

ProfessorGAC

(65,400 posts)
25. Likely A Slam Dunk For Them
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jul 2020

Would take one of their people 15 minutes to figure out the different subjects were written by different people.
Like Thorton Melon, in Back To School hiring Vonnegut to do a paper on Vonnegut.

TheBlackAdder

(28,253 posts)
28. Exactly! Turn-it-in and other services check more recent papers, but this UK firm does older papers
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jul 2020

.

It's used to catch Undergrad, Masters and Doctorate fraud.

.

ProfessorGAC

(65,400 posts)
31. I'm Not Worried!
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jul 2020

I know I wrote mine, and did the work.
The title was scintillating. Well, perhaps not!!!
Looks good in the black leather binding though!

Ilsa

(61,712 posts)
44. But how to prove it? I doubt anyone
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jul 2020

has his college term papers 45 years later.

I certainly suspect him of paying others to write his papers, and I bet he couldn't get away with stiffing them on the payment, either.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
41. I bet he didn't cheat
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jul 2020

The school knew that Freddy Trump was wealthy, so they let Donny skate by in nearly every class with what was then called "The Gentleman's C" - back before the 1980s or so, if you were the child or nephew of a potential big donor and/or famous alum (Bush family, for example), you basically were guaranteed a minimum of a C in every class no matter how bad your actual grades were - because they didn't want to piss off the "gentleman's" rich father, uncle or grandfather and lose a multi-million donation.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentleman%27s_C

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gentleman%27s%20C

Response to roamer65 (Reply #49)

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
30. Heavens, not a twitter attack. The horror.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jul 2020

Honestly, what reputable university would want anyone thinking a person could graduate from their curriculum and still be so demonstrably uneducated?

Duppers

(28,132 posts)
33. This is something we DUers have thought
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 03:30 PM
Jul 2020

Since we've known about tRump.

He has cheated & lied about EVERYTHING.

Old Terp

(464 posts)
48. Penn has the 1968 graduation program available on their website.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 05:05 PM
Jul 2020

Trump is listed. He doesn't even have a simple laud. Not the top of his class.

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