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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNorm Eisen says Wharton could rescind Trump's degree for having someone else take his SAT
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If so, the degree should be rescinded.
There is no statute of limitations on plagiarism, and this allegation is even worse.
leftieNanner
(15,200 posts)Now let's see those tax returns!
C Moon
(12,226 posts)SouthernCal_Dem
(852 posts)They MUST investigate these allegations.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)because what he allegedly did was an implicit breach of contract, freeing them of honoring his confidentiality.
matt819
(10,749 posts)But how do you prove this unless someone comes forward, and how does he prove it?
fleur-de-lisa
(14,629 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)I'd bet they disqualify hundreds if not thousands of tests a year through signature matching, and that's not the ones where somebody is rejected for a bad ID in the test room. Computer-based tests maybe a little different, but paper tests have been disqualified for failing a signature match A LOT.
Unfortunately, the physical test Trump took has probably been destroyed, so there won't be a comparison. That said, Trump's signature is so distinctive that if he did have somebody else take the test and the test still exists, it's going to be pretty obvious.
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greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)does one need SAT scored to transfer colleges? Also, it is interesting that after 2 years at Fordham, it still took him an additional 4 years to get a bachelor's degree (in econ, not business as he often states).
Anyone know if Wharton actually gives out undergrad degrees in econ? Or is it a Penn degree?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)jmowreader
(50,590 posts)Economics is the name of any BA you get from Wharton. They dont have a Bachelor of Business Administration degree like some business schools offer.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I know because I have that on my degree from Wharton Undergraduate
jmowreader
(50,590 posts)Captain_New_York
(161 posts)As a proud Fordham GBA married to a Fordham Law we are very happy the orange stain doesnt speak of life on Rose Hill. My wifes family has over 100 alumni of Fordham and connections like her grandfather was one of the founders of the law school. We are very grateful Dump left
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Heh-heh. Must have been wonderful attending Fordham.
HuskyOffset
(892 posts)He was a very busy man, those prostitutes aren't going to fuck themselves, now are they? It was like goddamn Vietnam in there, son. The horrors...the horrors...
tinrobot
(10,927 posts)Duppers
(28,132 posts)Been getting away with for decades.
Jirel
(2,031 posts)Oh, take your time. Do a huge and very public investigation of cheating, bad grades, whatever.
TheBlackAdder
(28,253 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Is this guy on the level on ANY FUCKING THING?
He has to be a dunce, he thinks his orange face and hair looks beautiful/acceptable+?
Won't show his medical records, grades, and taxes?
Republicans don't give a fuck, they just want a body as President, and as long as agenda is pursued and stock pricing are pleasing; that shallow?
Picked a 100% total yuge loser and continue the propping?
Now finally consequences.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)essme
(1,207 posts)Those old records are sitting in filing cabinets.
Lonestarblue
(10,159 posts)The College Board moved its offices from north of Columbus Circle a few years ago into a smaller space in the Wall Street area. Unless they decided to keep old records and store them offsite with some group like Iron Mountain, records so old may have been destroyed. They would probably require a court subpoena to respond even to the question of whether they still have the records. The University of Pennsylvania might decide to pursue this just to ensure that others do not try the same tactic to gain admission.
Trump likes to brag that he has a degree from Wharton, which is technically correct I suppose, but it is the Wharton MBA program that is internationally acclaimed, not the undergrad program. Im sure the undergrad program is good, but the Wharton name is most associated with the graduate MBA program. I doubt Trump would have been admitted to the that program.
abakan
(1,819 posts)or micro fish?
Lonestarblue
(10,159 posts)I dont know the College Boards document retention policies, but its possible that they still have records in some form. Microfiche was invented in 1961, so it would have been available for records storage after it caught on. Im assuming that Trump would have paid someone to take the SAT for him in 1964, the year he graduated from the military academy.
I really hope Penn follows up with this. A lot of parents whose kids sweat over the SAT would most likely be pretty upset.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)summer at the Registrar's Office microfiching old WW II Navy V-7 records (from training Naval Aviators there during WW II). This stuff is available on microfiche.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Their graduate program is rated #2 behind Stanford
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings
However, Trump initially got into Fordham before transferring to Penn, so Fordham could also investigate.
For years, Donny used to imply that he had an MBA from Wharton, though. If he tried that in the private sector - claiming an MBA when he only had an undergraduate degree, he'd get fired.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)Couldn't the person who was paid to take the test give testimony to that fact?
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)You're counting on testimony from somebody who he paid to take an SAT?
The only way this is proven is by clear documentary evidence. Unlike others in this thread, I don't actually think the SAT saves tests this long in some archive. The docs are long gone.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Perhaps his family would be able to back up the claim.
marybourg
(12,650 posts)essme
(1,207 posts)the "waters are not being muddied."
Wharton has a reputation, and they will take this seriously.
marybourg
(12,650 posts)But not by using an epithet which is not a crime and which depends on an underlying copyright infringement. That's not what happened here. It will just cause confusion.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,400 posts)I doubt it.
Just like his new press secretary.
Cheating as a way of life, includes college.
TheBlackAdder
(28,253 posts).
There is a firm in the UK than can compare essays to see if they were plagiarized or written by the same person.
They even have a database that compares prior essays from multiple countries to identify the true authors.
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ProfessorGAC
(65,400 posts)Would take one of their people 15 minutes to figure out the different subjects were written by different people.
Like Thorton Melon, in Back To School hiring Vonnegut to do a paper on Vonnegut.
TheBlackAdder
(28,253 posts).
It's used to catch Undergrad, Masters and Doctorate fraud.
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ProfessorGAC
(65,400 posts)I know I wrote mine, and did the work.
The title was scintillating. Well, perhaps not!!!
Looks good in the black leather binding though!
Ilsa
(61,712 posts)has his college term papers 45 years later.
I certainly suspect him of paying others to write his papers, and I bet he couldn't get away with stiffing them on the payment, either.
malaise
(269,288 posts)He is the definition of fake
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)The school knew that Freddy Trump was wealthy, so they let Donny skate by in nearly every class with what was then called "The Gentleman's C" - back before the 1980s or so, if you were the child or nephew of a potential big donor and/or famous alum (Bush family, for example), you basically were guaranteed a minimum of a C in every class no matter how bad your actual grades were - because they didn't want to piss off the "gentleman's" rich father, uncle or grandfather and lose a multi-million donation.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentleman%27s_C
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gentleman%27s%20C
ProfessorGAC
(65,400 posts)I knew he was a C student. I know what gentlemen's Cs are.
I still say he cheated.
TheBlackAdder
(28,253 posts)roamer65
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roamer65
(36,748 posts)kimbutgar
(21,278 posts)Wharton doesnt want to deal with the twitter attack.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Honestly, what reputable university would want anyone thinking a person could graduate from their curriculum and still be so demonstrably uneducated?
Duppers
(28,132 posts)Since we've known about tRump.
He has cheated & lied about EVERYTHING.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)prove. They won't rescind.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)He railed on and on about that. Projecting again!
fierywoman
(7,706 posts)Denvermosaic
(120 posts)or at least not while he's alive.
jayschool2013
(2,318 posts)Just to show everybody that's he's a stable genius, y'know.
Mr. Ected
(9,675 posts)That's how he rolls...and gets away with it.
Old Terp
(464 posts)Trump is listed. He doesn't even have a simple laud. Not the top of his class.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,137 posts)yellowcanine
(35,704 posts)nakocal
(558 posts)in fraud and treason.
Blue Owl
(50,575 posts)n/t