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Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:42 PM Jul 2020

I don't think we should act like we aren't confident Biden will win

Instead we should project the inevitability of a Joe Biden presidency, assuring the public that help is on the way. People should be counting the hours to when Joe Biden WILL, not might, provide us with the real leadership we desperately need.The message that should take hold now is that Trump is a loser who failed and history is already turning the page on his sorrowful chapter.

Instead of trying to scare ourselves about Trump somehow still finding a path to victory, we should visualize the huge challenges ahead that will necessitate a sweeping Blue Tsunami come November in order to address .THAT should be our motivator. Everything and everyone who propped up the Trump regime has to be swept away and we have to get out there to try to make that happen, RESOUNDINGLY. We need to start believing that there are fewer than twenty safe Republican seats left in the U.S. Senate after what Trump has done to this nation, and just a hundred reliably red seats remaining in the entire House. We have to act as though almost any seat is potentially flippable, and then bust our asses to make that happen. Instead of worrying over Joe Biden possibly losing, we should be telling ourselves that with just a few more phone calls made, we can turn Florida, Ohio, Texas, Georgia, Iowa and even Kansas Blue. And if a state went Blue in 2016 by five points, it should go blue by twenty points in 2020. Those are the goals we need, that is what we should be giving our all to bring about. We have to drive a stake through the heart of the Republican beast AND WE CAN DO IT. Because it isn't enough to just defeat Donald Trump.

I understand the danger of being over confident, how that can feed into a lax attitude leading to complacency about the work needed to win November's election. Obviously we can't let up on our efforts to destroy what is rapidly becoming the Trump Junta. But I think the best way to do that right now is to project cold hard confidence that Trump is going down, hard. The looming certainty of his defeat both demoralizes whatever Trump voters still remain AND destabilizes Trump himself, making him less and less capable of pulling it together to stop shooting himself in the foot during the final weeks of this election.

One aspect of how Trump seized the Oval Office in 2016 was by pulling back from Twitter and cutting back on wild unscripted remarks at rallies over the final ten days of the race. Part of what makes the efforts of The Lincoln Project so effective is that they go deep inside Trump's head and fuck with him. They literally are driving him crazy, and the crazier he gets now the more out of touch he seems with what our nation needs. We want Democratic control of the Senate next session, right? Keep generating shots of Republican Senators running away from the likes of Kasie Hunt, fleeing down Senate corridors trying not to comment on the latest Trump outrage of the day.

Trump's daily outrages no longer serve his interest as a distraction from whatever he thinks he wants us not to look at instead. Now his outrages legitimately occupy center stage, because the whole damn nation knows that we need a real leader to steer us through this full blown pandemic that is cutting us down by the tens of thousands, and that sure as hell isn't Donald Trump. But it is Joe Biden. It is time for the public to look past Donald Trump to the President in waiting. It is time to make this a self fulfilling prophesy, and for panic to seize what is left of the Republican Party.

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I don't think we should act like we aren't confident Biden will win (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jul 2020 OP
115 DAYS! sfstaxprep Jul 2020 #1
Maybe the right message is that people should be angry that we have to wait unil January... Salviati Jul 2020 #2
I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2020 #3
Nicely put Tom Rinaldo Jul 2020 #13
I haven't see anyone doing that mcar Jul 2020 #4
Very few on our side think the race is near a toss up, true... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2020 #7
Interestingly enough, I think we fear opposite things DFW Jul 2020 #5
Yep, that sums it up well... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2020 #9
+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #15
Get out the vote. Volunteer. Contribute to Democratic campaigns. Be positive about.... RussellCattle Jul 2020 #6
Just vote. Winning is not enough, we want a HISTORIC LANDSLIDE. Hoyt Jul 2020 #8
K&R, we also need the senate otherwise Moscow Mitch will null and void a Biden win uponit7771 Jul 2020 #10
We need more than a Biden win. We need to eradicate all these cranks from positions of power. Midnight Writer Jul 2020 #11
Saw some great Biden signs hurl Jul 2020 #12
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #14
I Agree. Definitely Fight Complacency, But PROJECT STRENGTH ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2020 #16
Amen. Trump's campaign is seriously wounded. We need to be aggressive. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #17
Take the view that Biden can win if we do our work, but may not win if we're slackers struggle4progress Jul 2020 #18
Nobody should stay home or fight less because they think it is in the bag. Flaleftist Jul 2020 #19

Salviati

(6,009 posts)
2. Maybe the right message is that people should be angry that we have to wait unil January...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jul 2020

for these problems to start to be addressed. Projects the inevitability, but keeps the anger and fire stoked.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
13. Nicely put
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jul 2020

And now it is time to amplify that fear in Trump, for that exact reason. And as he flails wildly the Republicans who have joined themselves to him at the hip will go down with him. Feed their panic with our confidence, as we unflinchingly take the fight to them all across the nation.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
7. Very few on our side think the race is near a toss up, true...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jul 2020

But I can't count how often "we" collectively implore each other not to get over confident about a Biden win. The standard line is "act as if we are down ten points in the polls". My point is that expressing overt confidence in a Joe Biden win, and counting down the days remaining of Trump's failed leadership, is actually an effective campaign weapon against someone like Trump, when the public has already turned on him over Covid-19 in particular. It brands him "a loser", "a dead man walking", a "failed experiment", and I think those are labels he will be unable to get out from under, that will help to pull him and those who enabled him, down. Now we are fighting for Democrats running for offices everywhere in our nation, so that the needed rebuilding can begin.

DFW

(54,506 posts)
5. Interestingly enough, I think we fear opposite things
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jul 2020

Republicans fear what the polls tell them, because they indicate that the voting public doesn't want them.

Democrats fear what the polls DON'T tell them, namely what measure of electoral fraud the Republicans have put in place to negate what the polls tell us. Purged voter rolls, closing polling stations, making sure voters who show up in the "wrong" precincts have doubly difficult times getting permission to vote, seeing the machines change their choices (or, worse, NOT seeing it when it happens). Surprise electoral upsets on the national level in the last 20 years have just about ALL gone to the Republicans. Whether governors' seats, seats in the House or the Senate, or the White House itself, no surprise upsets have gone to us. If that is a coincidence, then I'm the Sultan of Brunei.

To paraphrase Stalin, I do not fear the results of the vote. I fear the results of the counting, because I think that, in the immortal words of Rep. Peter King, R-NY, "we'll (i.e., the Republicans will) take care of the counting." I think they plan on just that, and on a level no less pervasive than when they did it in 2004, when King had downed one too many and let the truth slip on camera.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
9. Yep, that sums it up well...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jul 2020

But as is oft said, the best defense against a stolen election is a strong degree of public certainty about who was far ahead before the counting begins. Even with all that many Republicans are capable of doing to secure "victory", they still are forced to concede defeat in many elections that they really wanted to win. There have been plenty of examples of that happening since 2016.

That is one of the advantages of oozing optimism about the upcoming Democratic wins, it primes the public to expect those victories. The more momentum we can establlsh the safer the election will be for us. And if the public knows in their bones that Trump is going down hard, then his post election claims that only massive vote rigging gave Biden the win will fall flat on his orange face.

RussellCattle

(1,538 posts)
6. Get out the vote. Volunteer. Contribute to Democratic campaigns. Be positive about....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jul 2020

....Joe's chances but maintain that that's only half of the battle. We need the House and Senate with big numbers as well as some serious coat tails that affect everything from state legislatures to local school boards. Your point about the the last ten days is a good one. He's not going to resign before election day, but keep the pressure up and watch as he sabotages his own prospects with the crazy.
Someone ask The Lincoln Project if they're sorry they didn't run ads in 2016.

Midnight Writer

(21,853 posts)
11. We need more than a Biden win. We need to eradicate all these cranks from positions of power.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jul 2020

Keep your head down and keep on swinging.

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
14. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jul 2020

Every single time anyone on DU suggested, in the run up to the 2016 election, that it was not a sure thing for Clinton we were berated, called concern trolls, etc.

We turned out to be right - and that attitude contributed to Democrats voting for third party candidates, voted Republican in the primary to ensure that Trump would be the candidate because he would be so easy to beat. As unbelievable as it that any sentient being could support him, he still has an unshakable base. 115 days is an eternity in politics for him to regain those who are temporarily awake - I have two friends just this week who have declared they are voting either for Trump or at least against Biden.

We cannot afford to act as if we have won this. That was our strategy in 2016.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,786 posts)
16. I Agree. Definitely Fight Complacency, But PROJECT STRENGTH
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jul 2020

That's why I always put bumper stickers on my car and yard signs in my yard. Sometimes seeing an abundance of bumper stickers or yard signs is enough to sway some people. There's a well-known psychological phenomenon that people want to be on the winning team. And people gravitate to and follow strength. I know it's happened to me in the past. There have been times when I've been out driving and said, "I'm seeing a lot of bumper stickers for this guy. Maybe I should check him out and see what he's all about." There are many good reasons to project strength. That's why, for all its good intentions, it still kind of bugs me when I see people constantly warning us not to allow ourselves to get complacent. We get it. It's a good reminder that we still need to do the work. But still let's project some strength.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
17. Amen. Trump's campaign is seriously wounded. We need to be aggressive.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:20 PM
Jul 2020

It's about time we stop being afraid of our own shadows.

It's not a sure thing by any means, but when our side starts pulling on top, we don't stop. It's time to get super-aggressive.

We win elections by being confident and aggressive. The Lincoln Project's teaching us that. But it's not exactly in our long-term interest to rely on our political opponents to win our elections for us, so we need to become our own Lincoln Project.

There's blood in the water, my beautiful sharks!

FEEDING FRENZY!!!!!

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
18. Take the view that Biden can win if we do our work, but may not win if we're slackers
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jul 2020

Over-confidence can be deadly here, since 2000 and 2016 both show that a simple majority of voters can be defeated by the antiquated electoral college

We really need a blow-out, so that we can capture both the House and the Senate on coat-tails

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
19. Nobody should stay home or fight less because they think it is in the bag.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:30 PM
Jul 2020

We should all fight as hard as we can to make sure Trump has the greatest defeat possible. His meltdown when #LoserTrump is trending on Twitter will be epic.

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