How Christian of him...

Jerry SR. was from the generation that partied in secret, pre-Instagram and pre-Facebook.

for his stupidity.

The embarrassment would be over Jr. being seen doing the wrong thing and posting it, yes.

Jerry Sr. had no shame. He was good at shaming others because of it and really enjoyed profiting off of it.

...fun to watch.

ever actually live that way themselves.

It's quite another to be so stupid as to brag about it, as Junior did.

Hopefully jr goes away and we never have to hear from him again.

Finally caught in his hypocrisy.

He's not going to go hungry.

LOSER

PHONEY
BYE FOR NOW

Oh wait; that's only for people whose main source of income is the teat of Rupert Murdoch.

Is he taking the pool boy?

n/t

Reminds me of Peggy Bundy

... with Jerry Falwell Jr. dressed as Julian with his trademark glass of black water. Nothing to be alarmed about, since it is an obvious choice for such a church group to dress up as dope smoking whoring criminals - as a clear tribute to Jesus.

To show her navel during the iconic 1960s TV show. This asshole has unzipped pants, underwear of questionable origin, many people are said to say that it’s her underwear, and showing 4 inches more than his navel, and this guy is running a religious college. If that’s normal behavior, I’d be interested in seeing what the president of a secular college wears.

See Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard...

fucking GRIFTERS

Monkey business.

There will be Daisy Dukes in the afterlife.

K&R

...is black water?) and they were just fooling around (her pubes are showing). Give me a break.

"Grey water" is all other water waste; sinks, showers, etc...

His reference to "black" water is hopefully some euphemism, otherwise that glass he's holding is pretty stinky.

Donations that IS!

Couldn’t happen to a better POS faux xtian!

If a person studies hard and applies themselves, they can go on to better things. I personally know of one young woman going on to graduate school for her MBA at UVA (not easy to get into!), and a friend I met while volunteering with Remote Access Medical was admitted to medical school from there after getting her master's in Health Science from there. So it's possible. But the atmosphere is stifling and I would not want anyone I cared about to be anywhere near there.

...I'd high tail out of the office as soon as I saw the degree on the wall.

Getting into medical school does not imply that one will be a good doctor or a competent doctor or a compassionate doctor.

If there is one thing I would insist upon with a physician is that he or she has respect for science. You cannot attend Liberty University - want to attend it, agree to attend it - and make that claim.

I would not interview anyone who sent me a resume with a degree from that university listed.

I actually knew, however, a chemist - who was very good at organic synthesis by the way - who was a creationist.

Although he could carry out a synthesis competently, we had to fire him, because of his attitude; chiefly making sexist remarks about women and creating a hostile work environment for one of our women scientists.

along the lines of your comment above, I had a HS friend that went to GA Tech as an engineering student (they have an academically rigorous program) and this guy still tried to convince himself that the world was really on 6000 years old like the religious nuts in the north ATL suburbs want to believe.

to your opinion. I have no doubt that my young friend will be an excellent doctor who will keep her "creationist" beliefs out of the office. She will, however, be a thorough, competent, and compassionate family physician, who will care deeply for her patients. I know this because I know her. She wants to go on to be a primary care practitioner and to practice in Appalachia; that's what she's absorbed from volunteering with RAM. Not everyone is motivated by the big bucks.

One of the most serious issues before medicine today is the evolution of infectious agents, an issue before the entire world, right this second.

I have not raised an issue about money, or even compassion. I have raised an issue about science.

I personally feel that one should be excluded from medical school if one does not accept the basic tenets of molecular biology. And that is where the proof of evolution exists, at the well understood level of molecular biology. You cannot understand pharmacology without understanding molecular biology, and if you deny it for religious reasons, you're part of the problem.

The issue of bringing doctors to areas under served by them is important, but we need competent doctors to go to these areas. We should not claim that we serve the poor by giving them less than ideal or less than competent doctors. In many ways they need outstanding doctors,.

are like bellybuttons. Everyone has one. Sometimes they collect lint. You are free to hold yours. I am free to tell you that you can stop dissing my friend. like right now. I don't even know for sure whether she is a creationist. I never asked. She got her degree where she got accepted and got the money. She is going to med school. She will excel. She will be a damn good, damn dedicated, and damn COMPETENT doctor, serving the underserved, and you can take your opinion and fold it five ways. I will leave to you what you can do with it.

Your friendship with a person has no bearing whatsoever on my general opinion that one cannot really be a competent doctor and disregard an important scientific factor in good medicine, evolutionary molecular biology as it plays a serious role in medicine.

I have worked in areas of medicinal chemistry for more than three decades, and I have very strong opinions on what competence is and what it isn't.

In the 1990's, with the development of protease inhibitors, the importance of evolution became critical issue. Here is a list of resistant strains of HIV and sequence changes represented by letter codes in HIV aspartyl proteases in that evolved after treatment with various protease inhibitors which inhibit the cleavage in the Gag and Gag-Pol system.

D30N: Nelfinavir. (Agouron/Pfizer).
M46I/I47V/I50V: Amprenavir (BMS).
L10R/M46I/L63P/V82T/I84V: Indinavir (Merck)
M46I/L63P/A71V/V82F/I84V: Ritinovir (Abbott).
Saquinavir: G48V/L90M (Roche)

Ref: Antiviral Drug Discovery Summitt, March 28-29, 2001
Protein Science (2000) 9: 1898-1904

I was on the front line of the development of several of these drugs and as such, I am well aware of many of these things. In those days, they guided everyone's thinking except maybe, Jerry Fawell's, since he believed AIDS was punishment by God for the existence of gay people, who made up most of the affected patients in the early days.

These were serious issues. People died if a physician was unaware of these evolutionary changes. Let me say it again, in case you missed it the first several times I stated it: This was, again, and again in case you still insist on missing it, evolution with a clear and well understood mechanism by molecular biology.

The same reality will prevail in any drug developed to treat Covid, AIDS, and for that matter, many antibiotics. From my perspective you cannot competently write a script for any anti-infective agent without understanding evolution. Doing so not only risks the lives of your patients, but it risks the lives of everyone on Earth.

I would never, ever under any circumstances recommend any member of my family being treated by a doctor with an undergraduate degree from Liberty University, nor would I recommend that anyone else do so.

As for "do this right now" order, that I not offer my general opinion of medical students admitted to medical schools with undergraduate degrees from Liberty University, I feel no compunction whatsoever to obey your order that you feel entitled to give me. Your friendship with someone in no way inspires me to value it above human lives.

I refuse to obey you, the Bible, or anyone who requires me to value their opinion over scientific facts.

Got it?

No?

Well, that's tough. I made myself perfectly clear.

You can go to a witch doctor if you want, or your young friend, but my ethics require that I will not respect physicians trained to believe that evolution is "fake news." The embrace of ignorance, or excusing it, kills people.

can kiss my grits. And anyway, it was a master's in health science, not an undergraduate degree. Furthermore, I didn't give you an order, it was a suggestion, and I personally don't care what you do with it, Mr. OMG I'm-A-Scientist. I do suggest you get off your high horse before you fall off it, though.

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A master's degree in health "science" from Liberty University in my opinion should, given the world wide health crisis connected with antibiotic and antiviral medications, preclude admission to medical school.

Obviously it doesn't, but I clearly think it should.

What's in the curriculum, prayer will make everyone healthy? MSRA and VRE's are work of the devil?

As for kissing anything, I don't kiss anyone or anything that places risks on human health because they happen to admire someone for "being nice."

Good medicine may involve being a warm and fuzzy person, but that does not override the more important need to have scientific integrity.

Clearly you don't think much of science or scientists, but you're certainly not alone in this. Our culture drips with contempt for science, and not all of it is on the political right.

As for being on a "high horse," I would say that your contempt for facts does not suggest humility.

have a contempt for facts and I never gave you any reason to even suggest that. I am a nurse, FFS, and my brother is a doctor. We came from a family of scientists that included nurses, doctors and physicists. What I have contempt for is your snotty ATTITUDE! My guess is you wouldn't look too closely at a doctor's credentials if you were bleeding and they were there to sew you up. You sound exactly like the people who hate Muslims..until it comes to the point where it's a Muslim doctor to save their life, or nobody. Now, if you don't mind, please fuck off.

It's called the "ignore button."

I've had enough of your "Lovely people go to Liberty University!" bullshit. So I'm going to comment one last time since you've announced that I'm like an anti-Muslim bigot.

I'm not the one defending an institution that officially embraces bigotry, notably against gay people.

I don't hate people based on their class, but I do strongly dislike people who, for example, go to universities where the "public health" rhetoric includes crap like "God put AIDS here to punish gay people."

Now maybe you with your very special view of bigotry which claims that holding people in contempt for what they say is equivalent to hating people for what they are, but I'm unashamed of holding a "science" degree from a "university" run by creationist fundementalists who hate gay people for, um, what they are is useless.

I'm sorry to say that I do consider a physicians credentials, and I also consider what they believe.

As it happens, I've had a number of doctors, including some who have saved me after a very serious accident. Thankfully, none of them seem to have lacked competence.

I don't expect that any of them were creationists, but a number have been of various non-white non-male variety, but I'm not likely to justify my life to someone who accuses people of being anti-muslim bigots because they don't buy the bullshit, "Lovely people go to Liberty University."

Here's a quote from the guy who runs the university you say "lovely people go to:"

really wonderful at reading things into what others say. I'm glad I don't know you in person and hope I never do. I did not call you an anti-Muslim bigot, I said your attitudes were ANALOGOUS to those, but you prefer the broad brush. Well, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You may not be an anti-Muslim bigot, but you have now persuaded me that there are indeed bigots on this site. Welcome to block city.

It's called the "ignore button."

I've had enough of your "Lovely people go to Liberty University!" bullshit. So I'm going to comment one last time since you've announced that I'm like an anti-Muslim bigot.

I'm not the one defending an institution that officially embraces bigotry, notably against gay people.

I don't hate people based on their class, but I do strongly dislike people who, for example, go to universities where the "public health" rhetoric includes crap like "God put AIDS here to punish gay people."

Now maybe you with your very special view of bigotry which claims that holding people in contempt for what they say is equivalent to hating people for what they are, but I'm unashamed of holding a "science" degree from a "university" run by creationist fundementalists who hate gay people for, um, what they are is useless.

I'm sorry to say that I do consider a physicians credentials, and I also consider what they believe.

As it happens, I've had a number of doctors, including some who have saved me after a very serious accident. Thankfully, none of them seem to have lacked competence.

I don't expect that any of them were creationists, but a number have been of various non-white non-male variety, but I'm not likely to justify my life to someone who accuses people of being anti-muslim bigots because they don't buy the bullshit, "Lovely people go to Liberty University."

Here's a quote from the guy who runs the university you say "lovely people go to:"

The kind that's in every newspaper, all the photos, every little detail of his disgusting life.
That kind of divorce.

Glad to hear it. This guy is such an execrable dipshit.

from her 'assistant'.

Great question! Maybe there's a 3 some or more...they all look like they're pretty friendly with each other. Ah to be young & foolish again, especially during a pandemic...

hum............. does the boat have a glove compartment

Great observation about the wedding ring! There was another comment about who took the picture-his wife? So much for social distancing & masks! Pretty risky behavior especially if there's other things going on...