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brush

(53,978 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 PM Jan 2021

Poll: Was yesterday a coup attempt?


82 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Yes.
66 (80%)
No.
4 (5%)
It was and the Capitol Police's lax security was part of it.
10 (12%)
Jr. trump and Rudy were in on it and hyped it up with remarks
0 (0%)
Hawley and Cruz coordinated their EC objections with it.
1 (1%)
It was and typical of trump, it was botched by depending on magats
1 (1%)
trump's latest video kicking magats to the curb to save himself is evidence.
0 (0%)
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Poll: Was yesterday a coup attempt? (Original Post) brush Jan 2021 OP
the head of state was not threatened so I think it's not a coup, legally speaking nt msongs Jan 2021 #1
An autogolpe, or autocoup covers that Lars39 Jan 2021 #3
An attempted take over of government can be considered a coup attempt. brush Jan 2021 #4
It was an attempt to replace the Constitution thucythucy Jan 2021 #9
Yes. It was half baked like everything else Trump does. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #2
Not in the strictly legal sense StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #5
The existing government is our Constitution. thucythucy Jan 2021 #11
No, that's not correct StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #12
I guess our European allies are misinformed as well. thucythucy Jan 2021 #17
As I said. Think whatever you want StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #20
It's important because Sean Hannity and his ilk thucythucy Jan 2021 #24
What you or I think is the proper definition of "coup" doesn't mean jack squat StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #26
From Merriam- Webster MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #29
The same could be said of your definition. thucythucy Jan 2021 #33
And, what were those zip ties for, exactly? EndlessWire Jan 2021 #23
Zip ties don't have any effect on whether something is a coup or not StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #28
And, you decided this how? n/t EndlessWire Jan 2021 #31
True enough. There must be a shorter term for that instead of... brush Jan 2021 #27
I honestly don't know. Trump is obsessed with himself, so he may have been showboating. 42bambi Jan 2021 #6
I voted yes but really need a lot more proof than what we have seen so far that Trump ordered it. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2021 #7
Not a valid poll. Answer options need to be mutually exclusive Bucky Jan 2021 #8
So do your own poll. Easy peasy. brush Jan 2021 #16
It's only a coup if its from the coup d'etat region of France, otherwise its just sparkling white NightWatcher Jan 2021 #10
Heehee! Good answer. brush Jan 2021 #14
The difference is that the coup participants weren't worried about being lined up against a wall and brewens Jan 2021 #13
Agreed. Make them pay. More will come out. brush Jan 2021 #15
Neither was Hiter when he staged the Beer Hall Putsch thucythucy Jan 2021 #19
I literal coup in that moment? Probably not, but... tandem5 Jan 2021 #18
That scenario is scary. A smarter trump would've modeled wearing masks... brush Jan 2021 #25
Yes MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #21
YES! myohmy2 Jan 2021 #22
Agreed. There have to be consequences, and since Pence won't... brush Jan 2021 #30
Hell yes! Brother Mythos Jan 2021 #32
No AmyStrange Jan 2021 #34
Agreed. But it was trump, who would've cruised to a second term... brush Jan 2021 #35
Yup, too bad for him but good for us. AmyStrange Jan 2021 #36
Having lived through many coups, not even close grantcart Jan 2021 #37
That's what it was, but IMO trump hoped for more. brush Jan 2021 #38
Not even close to a coup d etat grantcart Jan 2021 #39
Trump doesn't have the smarts to mastermind a coup attempt. Kaleva Jan 2021 #40
Not a coup, but definitely an insurrection. GoCubsGo Jan 2021 #41

thucythucy

(8,139 posts)
9. It was an attempt to replace the Constitution
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:50 PM
Jan 2021

and the duly elected President-elect with rule by autocrat through the use of violence and terror.

The members of the legislature were threatened.

The machinery of our elections was threatened.

The Vice President and his family were threatened.

Sounds pretty coup-ish to me.

Renew Deal

(81,901 posts)
2. Yes. It was half baked like everything else Trump does.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:33 PM
Jan 2021

He thought he could intimidate congress into supporting his challenges. That was never going to happen.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. Not in the strictly legal sense
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:37 PM
Jan 2021

A coup is the removal of the existing government by force.

These people were not trying to remove the existing government. They were trying to prevent a new government from coming into existence.

thucythucy

(8,139 posts)
11. The existing government is our Constitution.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:55 PM
Jan 2021

Adherence to our Constitution is what defines our government.

This was an attempt to replace the Constitution with rule by autocrat and mob.

Had it succeeded, it would have been the destruction of the federal government as legally constituted.

Sounds like a coup to me.

As I understand it, the phrase "coup d'état" means a blow against the state.

The only way this doesn't qualify is if, like Louis XIV, Trump is entitled to say, "The state is me."

thucythucy

(8,139 posts)
17. I guess our European allies are misinformed as well.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:09 AM
Jan 2021

They seem to think it was a coup attempt:

https://democraticunderground.com/100214849344

It seems to me they have a lot more experience with coups and coup attempts than we do.

We are supposed to be a government of laws, not men (or women). To attempt to derail the proper functioning of government at the level of head of state is attempting to decapitate the legal government.

But we're arguing semantics. Surely you agree this was an attack on democracy.

thucythucy

(8,139 posts)
24. It's important because Sean Hannity and his ilk
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jan 2021

are now making that exact point.

It isn't a coup, the left is exaggerating. It was just a protest that got out of hand (and besides the worst actors were ANTIFA infiltrators).

Coup as commonly understood is an attempt to overturn the government, which in this case means the orderly transition of power from one administration to the next duly elected administration.

It was an attempt to overthrow the Biden administration even before it took office.

We've gone too far in this country sugar coating the reality of what's been happening.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. What you or I think is the proper definition of "coup" doesn't mean jack squat
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:33 AM
Jan 2021

As I said. Think whatever you want.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
29. From Merriam- Webster
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:38 AM
Jan 2021

Definition of coup d'état
: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup%20d'état

brush

(53,978 posts)
27. True enough. There must be a shorter term for that instead of...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:35 AM
Jan 2021

attempting to nullify the results of an election.

Bucky

(54,094 posts)
8. Not a valid poll. Answer options need to be mutually exclusive
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:43 PM
Jan 2021

You won't learn anything from the data you gather.

The answers that lie between Yes and No can't be Yes, buts. Plus Antifa reptilians are crossing the Mexican border illegally to vote in favor of Sharia Law in this poll.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. It's only a coup if its from the coup d'etat region of France, otherwise its just sparkling white
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:50 PM
Jan 2021

terrorism

brewens

(13,678 posts)
13. The difference is that the coup participants weren't worried about being lined up against a wall and
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:58 PM
Jan 2021

shot if they failed, like in other countries where this shit happens. All the more reason why they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They wanted to be heroes for pulling it off. Make them pay.

thucythucy

(8,139 posts)
19. Neither was Hiter when he staged the Beer Hall Putsch
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:14 AM
Jan 2021

(which is the German for coup).

He knew he'd get what amounted to a slap on the wrist, since the Bavarian courts were all far-right, He even had the support of some of the members of the government he was trying to overthrow.

It was still an attempted coup.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
18. I literal coup in that moment? Probably not, but...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:11 AM
Jan 2021

The imagery that came out of it was the goal -- the mirage of democratic infallibility that our country has been able to maintain on the world stage is completely shattered and it paves the way for a real and swift coup in the future.

brush

(53,978 posts)
25. That scenario is scary. A smarter trump would've modeled wearing masks...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:25 AM
Jan 2021

and social distancing in the early days of the pandemic and cruised to a second term easily.

We dodged a bullet with his dumb ass but there's Cotton on the horizon. I say Cotton because he was smart enough not to latch onto the shiny object of objecting to EC ballot counting like the ambitious upstart Hawley who thought he was on his way to a big share of magat support for 2024.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,691 posts)
21. Yes
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:19 AM
Jan 2021

No doubt about it. He needs to be removed but it's unlikely to happen. My hope is that he can be neutered until he leaves.

myohmy2

(3,230 posts)
22. YES!
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:20 AM
Jan 2021

...it was a culmination of months if not years of trump's propaganda all focused on him seizing power should he not be legitimately re-elected...remember, if he lost, it was rigged?

...this is why it's imperative Congress strongly asserts the rule of law and redeems the integrity of our Constitution and it's impeachment and removal process...

...there has never been a more worthy president for impeachment and removal...

...we dodged a bullet this time...but without a strong, timely and effective impeachment and removal of trump we may not be so lucky next time...

...if we don't put more skin and teeth into our impeachment process, it'll be meaningless...

...dangerously meaningless...

brush

(53,978 posts)
30. Agreed. There have to be consequences, and since Pence won't...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:44 AM
Jan 2021

use the 25th, and censoring is way too mild, it has to be impeachment even though McTurtle and the republicans are still the same obstacle they were before.

The Speaker has to go through with it though even if time runs out resulting in it being only symbolic in value. That's ok with me though as the orange turd will be the only president in history, and probably ever, to be impeached twice.

Twice.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
34. No
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:55 AM
Jan 2021

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Now, if you'd asked, was this a coup attempt by the Three Stooges, then I'd probably agree with you.

A coup attempt might've been what Trump was hoping for, but from what I saw, it looked more like an unorganized mob riot.
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brush

(53,978 posts)
35. Agreed. But it was trump, who would've cruised to a second term...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 02:12 AM
Jan 2021

if he had just had enough sense to wear a mask and model social distancing.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
36. Yup, too bad for him but good for us.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 02:19 AM
Jan 2021

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ETA: I feel sorry for all the Dems who died, but as far as the republicans are concerned...
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brush

(53,978 posts)
38. That's what it was, but IMO trump hoped for more.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 02:41 AM
Jan 2021

But it was trump, he bungles everything. Good for us, bad for the 360k covid dead.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
39. Not even close to a coup d etat
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:34 AM
Jan 2021

A coup d etat has several common key ingredients

1) central organizing group with a plan to take over institutional power

2) multi location attacks to take over control of media

3) infiltration of military command structure enabling key units (usually capital tank units) to take physical control of the capital.

Could go on but this wasn't close to being a coup attempt. It wasn't treason.

It was an unruly seditious mob. Trying to undermine orderly government is sedition, not treason (which requires helping an enemy during war) or a coup d etat which is an organized attempt to take over control of government.

It was sedition, an attempt to disrupt the normal legal order, a serious crime.

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
40. Trump doesn't have the smarts to mastermind a coup attempt.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:42 AM
Jan 2021

He is capable of fomenting chaos and confusion which often comes back and bites him in the ass.

GoCubsGo

(32,103 posts)
41. Not a coup, but definitely an insurrection.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:57 AM
Jan 2021

And, Trump and his toadies and children are guilty of sedition for inciting it.

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