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Derailing the minimum wage and now unemployment benefits. Centrist moderate Democrats are a total fucking DISGRACE! You are not moderate at all but bought and paid for corporate schmucks who could give a sht about working folks and the poor. If Democrats wonder how we ended up with Trump, THIS IS IT.
budkin
(6,732 posts)Its beyond unacceptable.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)and repeating the same tired strategies during campaign cycles instead of learning from mistakes. And then if we do miraculously stumble into power, they negotiate with themselves to the point that the legislation is worse off from both a political and policy standpoint.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Democrats are united save one or two!
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Joe Biden is at the top of the "apparatus" and his original bill was damn good.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)years in the House and six years in the Senate. Face it...it is a center left country...probably more center than left.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)not all centrist.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)for stimulus checks, so that 16 million will get cut off this time.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)PA_jen
(1,114 posts)NewHendoLib
(60,044 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,355 posts)The UI reduction is inexcusable.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)Covid relief bill which helps many folks and fixes the ACA too...then nothing. And that is what we get with Mitch McConnell in charge. This is a Democratic site, I suggest you delete or alter your post.
TwilightZone
(25,542 posts)The rules seem to have been suspended for the duration of the debate.
(I don't mean officially, of course.)
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Best to remember that.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)We should be grateful for $1,400 checks.
TwilightZone
(25,542 posts)That's one of the funnier things I've read of late.
Trump's abysmal Covid response, a solid top of the ticket, Stacey Abrams, and a massive turnout effort in several states gave us the Senate.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)You know? With the Trump's bungling and Biden's, ahem, coattails?
Yet more people voted for the goops than voted for either Democratic candidates in November.
They were damn lucky they had another shot in the runoff. and Ossof and Warnoff only caught up in the special after they promised $2,000 stimmies.
It literally happened right in front of you, don't rewrite history.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)unemployment that would not have happened...you will never get exactly what you want but the Covid bill includes help for the ACA and other good stuff. And many people would have face a really bad tax liability that has been included as well...so we should be happy for what we did get. What do you suppose we would get if the GOP were in charge?
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Are you saying he's in charge if repukes are a majority and also when they aren't?
WTF did we all break our necks to give the tiebreaker majority to the Dems? Why did we all support a liberal party platform that includes $15/hr and everything else we campaigned on? Why are we castigating our supporters instead of career politicians who signed on to the party platform and are now reneging?
Where's the outrage about them? Why do we continue to blame the only people who give a shit about us? I'm fucking sick of it.
Yavin4
(35,455 posts)I just posted something similar and got attacked for being negative. In order for the Democrats to win, they have to get their base motivated and excited. Most people are not political. They don't follow politics closely. You cannot scare them with Republicans. That simply won't work.
They have to deliver on their promises or they get voted out. End of story.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)the House and the Senate...moderates did. If progressives abandon the party as they did before during Obama's time, the party will move further right to pick up votes and the 'base' as you call them will have less influence and power. There are now more states where the 'base' can't win statewide than those they can. And that is the reality. This bill is a compromise and we always expected it to change. But damn it we have a bill with McConnell in charge what would we have nothing.
RainCaster
(10,975 posts)Left alone, voters will remember their senator's voting records, only if it painfully impacts them. If groups like the Lincoln Project come in with attack adds to remind voters of how they got screwed by Senator Doosh, then more will vote against the incumbent.
If the DNC comes in and provides strong support for a replacement candidate, then the apple cart gets really upset. If the infrastructure in Senator Doosh's home state falls behind Candidate HappyFace, then there are a lot more voters who will have a serious look at HappyFace.
Now, if the DNC acts like it has in GA, it will be there 365 days a year. Reminding voters of what is going on in WA-DC even if the election is a year or two away. Asking voters and engaging them all year round for their opinions on what should be done in DC. Not just in the final run-up to a new election, but ALL THE TIME. The GOP does this- we should too! That is Stacy Abram's vision for the DNC and how she has been running the elections in GA.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)or even voted for Trump. And that is a lesson that I see clearly from this thread some have not learned. You vote blue no matter what or you lose...and the GOP takes over and they will not just do bad policy...there is a good chance if they get in that our Republic ends. Time for the games and threats from anyone about voting for Democrats should be over.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)Without them we are a shrill but powerless minority party.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)a minimum raise- as that would have delayed everything and we don't have time, I have to wonder why you are outraged that moderates want a say...we have the majority because of them.
RainCaster
(10,975 posts)They never give out that centrist crap, and they have a very strong hold on their voters. I'm not buying it.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)can and try to get more people to see that our more progressive policies are beneficial...win hearts and minds.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)a hundred dollars a week less in unemployment.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)disability etc.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)we will have one or two misses on that, but in the aggregate, we would have Senators and Reps that see the value of raising peoples incomes.
Demsrule86
(68,917 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Take the open seat in North Carolina. Take Johnsons seat in Wisconsin. If we do those things and hold the line on seats that we hold (a good chance of accomplishing), we end up +2, or with 52 seats.
I believe that Ohio and Florida right now would be harder pulls, but if we get solid candidates that work their ass off and build a good ground game, maybe we can take both seats. In Florida, I actually would like to see Miami Mayor Suarez change parties and run against Rubio as a Democrat, his policies are more liberal than republicans like and I dont see him going much farther as a republican, but as a moderate-progressive Democrat, he could potentially win Rubios seat or defeat DeSantis (although I think Crist wants to take a run at DeSantis). President Biden seems to really like Suarez, he has had him at the White House several times, and Suarez has criticized DeSantis handling of Covid related policy while at the White House and during the past. Hopefully President Biden is putting a bug in his ear and pointing out possibilities to him. He is still a young guy, and a pretty dynamic leader.