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Hoochie Coochie Man

(443 posts)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:08 PM Mar 2021

Centrist Democrats fcking the Democratic Party

Derailing the minimum wage and now unemployment benefits. Centrist “moderate” Democrats are a total fucking DISGRACE! You are not moderate at all but bought and paid for corporate schmucks who could give a sht about working folks and the poor. If Democrats wonder how we ended up with Trump, THIS IS IT.

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Centrist Democrats fcking the Democratic Party (Original Post) Hoochie Coochie Man Mar 2021 OP
Totally agree budkin Mar 2021 #1
They'd rather be in the minority it seems. They do a great job at losing elections liskddksil Mar 2021 #2
Who are they? BlueLucy Mar 2021 #4
The Democratic party apparatuses and a good amount of the Congress nt liskddksil Mar 2021 #6
It's just not true BlueLucy Mar 2021 #10
It wasn't moderates that lost us elections...when we lost them...we lost the majority for 10 Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #14
It's only ONE or TWO BlueLucy Mar 2021 #3
Its not just Manchin and Sinema. Numerous others had a hand in reducing the thresholds liskddksil Mar 2021 #5
The rest would have been fine with a little push. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #7
They led the way. PA_jen Mar 2021 #21
agreed NewHendoLib Mar 2021 #8
They had agreed to the bill before Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #9
Moderates gave us the House and Senate and we will get nothing without them. Better to get a Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #11
Good luck with that. TwilightZone Mar 2021 #13
I have seen a number of posts gone...so at their own peril... Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #31
+1 LongtimeAZDem Mar 2021 #15
The promise of $2,000 checks gave us the Senate wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #19
And will take it away. Watch for it. nt Doremus Mar 2021 #25
Shh! We're not supposed to mention that wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #28
lol TwilightZone Mar 2021 #33
Both Dem candidates were behind the goops in the general wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #39
And the checks will go out before unemployment ends I might add. Had we held out for the Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #35
Mitch McConnell's in charge? Doremus Mar 2021 #23
"If Democrats wonder how we ended up with Trump, THIS IS IT." Yavin4 Mar 2021 #12
By base I assume you mean some progressives-not all- you ignore the fact our base did not give us Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #17
It's a bit more than that RainCaster Mar 2021 #18
Democrats got Trump because 'but her email' people from our party voted for Stein, stayed home Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #26
We have the house and senate by the thinnest margins. Centerist Dems make the party viable Amishman Mar 2021 #16
Thank you. And even though I wish they had just passed the original bill- sorry folks but without Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #20
I have never heard this from the Republican Party RainCaster Mar 2021 #22
Republican voters are loyal, based on 10,14 and 16...we can't say the same about our party. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #29
+1 DashOneBravo Mar 2021 #34
We need more seats. gldstwmn Mar 2021 #24
That is it...but the seats we get will likely be from Centrist or even red states so we do what we Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #27
I can't believe anyone in West Virginia wants gldstwmn Mar 2021 #32
He is probably playing to the donors who support his campaign. But many in WVA are on the dole... Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #36
Then we need to elect more Democrats from purple states, Blue_true Mar 2021 #30
What purple states do you have in mind? Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #37
Pennsylvania. Keep the senior seat in Georgia and the Junior seat in Arizona. Blue_true Mar 2021 #38
 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
2. They'd rather be in the minority it seems. They do a great job at losing elections
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:11 PM
Mar 2021

and repeating the same tired strategies during campaign cycles instead of learning from mistakes. And then if we do miraculously stumble into power, they negotiate with themselves to the point that the legislation is worse off from both a political and policy standpoint.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
14. It wasn't moderates that lost us elections...when we lost them...we lost the majority for 10
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:48 PM
Mar 2021

years in the House and six years in the Senate. Face it...it is a center left country...probably more center than left.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
5. Its not just Manchin and Sinema. Numerous others had a hand in reducing the thresholds
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:12 PM
Mar 2021

for stimulus checks, so that 16 million will get cut off this time.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
11. Moderates gave us the House and Senate and we will get nothing without them. Better to get a
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:18 PM
Mar 2021

Covid relief bill which helps many folks and fixes the ACA too...then nothing. And that is what we get with Mitch McConnell in charge. This is a Democratic site, I suggest you delete or alter your post.

TwilightZone

(25,542 posts)
13. Good luck with that.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:23 PM
Mar 2021

The rules seem to have been suspended for the duration of the debate.

(I don't mean officially, of course.)

TwilightZone

(25,542 posts)
33. lol
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:23 PM
Mar 2021

That's one of the funnier things I've read of late.

Trump's abysmal Covid response, a solid top of the ticket, Stacey Abrams, and a massive turnout effort in several states gave us the Senate.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
39. Both Dem candidates were behind the goops in the general
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM
Mar 2021

You know? With the Trump's bungling and Biden's, ahem, coattails?

Yet more people voted for the goops than voted for either Democratic candidates in November.

They were damn lucky they had another shot in the runoff. and Ossof and Warnoff only caught up in the special after they promised $2,000 stimmies.

It literally happened right in front of you, don't rewrite history.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
35. And the checks will go out before unemployment ends I might add. Had we held out for the
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:42 PM
Mar 2021

unemployment that would not have happened...you will never get exactly what you want but the Covid bill includes help for the ACA and other good stuff. And many people would have face a really bad tax liability that has been included as well...so we should be happy for what we did get. What do you suppose we would get if the GOP were in charge?

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
23. Mitch McConnell's in charge?
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:00 PM
Mar 2021

Are you saying he's in charge if repukes are a majority and also when they aren't?

WTF did we all break our necks to give the tiebreaker majority to the Dems? Why did we all support a liberal party platform that includes $15/hr and everything else we campaigned on? Why are we castigating our supporters instead of career politicians who signed on to the party platform and are now reneging?

Where's the outrage about them? Why do we continue to blame the only people who give a shit about us? I'm fucking sick of it.

Yavin4

(35,455 posts)
12. "If Democrats wonder how we ended up with Trump, THIS IS IT."
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:21 PM
Mar 2021

I just posted something similar and got attacked for being negative. In order for the Democrats to win, they have to get their base motivated and excited. Most people are not political. They don't follow politics closely. You cannot scare them with Republicans. That simply won't work.

They have to deliver on their promises or they get voted out. End of story.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
17. By base I assume you mean some progressives-not all- you ignore the fact our base did not give us
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:55 PM
Mar 2021

the House and the Senate...moderates did. If progressives abandon the party as they did before during Obama's time, the party will move further right to pick up votes and the 'base' as you call them will have less influence and power. There are now more states where the 'base' can't win statewide than those they can. And that is the reality. This bill is a compromise and we always expected it to change. But damn it we have a bill with McConnell in charge what would we have nothing.

RainCaster

(10,975 posts)
18. It's a bit more than that
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:56 PM
Mar 2021

Left alone, voters will remember their senator's voting records, only if it painfully impacts them. If groups like the Lincoln Project come in with attack adds to remind voters of how they got screwed by Senator Doosh, then more will vote against the incumbent.

If the DNC comes in and provides strong support for a replacement candidate, then the apple cart gets really upset. If the infrastructure in Senator Doosh's home state falls behind Candidate HappyFace, then there are a lot more voters who will have a serious look at HappyFace.

Now, if the DNC acts like it has in GA, it will be there 365 days a year. Reminding voters of what is going on in WA-DC even if the election is a year or two away. Asking voters and engaging them all year round for their opinions on what should be done in DC. Not just in the final run-up to a new election, but ALL THE TIME. The GOP does this- we should too! That is Stacy Abram's vision for the DNC and how she has been running the elections in GA.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
26. Democrats got Trump because 'but her email' people from our party voted for Stein, stayed home
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:03 PM
Mar 2021

or even voted for Trump. And that is a lesson that I see clearly from this thread some have not learned. You vote blue no matter what or you lose...and the GOP takes over and they will not just do bad policy...there is a good chance if they get in that our Republic ends. Time for the games and threats from anyone about voting for Democrats should be over.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
16. We have the house and senate by the thinnest margins. Centerist Dems make the party viable
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:54 PM
Mar 2021

Without them we are a shrill but powerless minority party.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
20. Thank you. And even though I wish they had just passed the original bill- sorry folks but without
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:57 PM
Mar 2021

a minimum raise- as that would have delayed everything and we don't have time, I have to wonder why you are outraged that moderates want a say...we have the majority because of them.

RainCaster

(10,975 posts)
22. I have never heard this from the Republican Party
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:58 PM
Mar 2021

They never give out that centrist crap, and they have a very strong hold on their voters. I'm not buying it.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
27. That is it...but the seats we get will likely be from Centrist or even red states so we do what we
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:04 PM
Mar 2021

can and try to get more people to see that our more progressive policies are beneficial...win hearts and minds.

Demsrule86

(68,917 posts)
36. He is probably playing to the donors who support his campaign. But many in WVA are on the dole...
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:46 PM
Mar 2021

disability etc.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. Then we need to elect more Democrats from purple states,
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:06 PM
Mar 2021

we will have one or two misses on that, but in the aggregate, we would have Senators and Reps that see the value of raising people’s incomes.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. Pennsylvania. Keep the senior seat in Georgia and the Junior seat in Arizona.
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:58 PM
Mar 2021

Take the open seat in North Carolina. Take Johnson’s seat in Wisconsin. If we do those things and hold the line on seats that we hold (a good chance of accomplishing), we end up +2, or with 52 seats.

I believe that Ohio and Florida right now would be harder pulls, but if we get solid candidates that work their ass off and build a good ground game, maybe we can take both seats. In Florida, I actually would like to see Miami Mayor Suarez change parties and run against Rubio as a Democrat, his policies are more liberal than republicans like and I don’t see him going much farther as a republican, but as a moderate-progressive Democrat, he could potentially win Rubio’s seat or defeat DeSantis (although I think Crist wants to take a run at DeSantis). President Biden seems to really like Suarez, he has had him at the White House several times, and Suarez has criticized DeSantis’ handling of Covid related policy while at the White House and during the past. Hopefully President Biden is putting a bug in his ear and pointing out possibilities to him. He is still a young guy, and a pretty dynamic leader.

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