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Nevilledog

(51,274 posts)
Mon May 24, 2021, 12:06 PM May 2021

If Democracy Is Dying, Why Are Democrats So Complacent?




https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/democrats-voting-rights-filibuster/618964/

If you’ve followed recent Democratic messaging, you’ll have heard that American democracy is under serious attack by the Republican Party, representing an existential threat to the country. If you’ve followed Democratic lawmaking, you’d be forgiven for thinking that the threat is actually a rather piddling one. The disconnect, in this case, isn’t attributable to Democratic embellishment, but to inexcusable complacency.

In his first address to Congress, last month, President Joe Biden established three basic themes—each one invoked in a language of crisis and political urgency: “The worst pandemic in a century. The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. The worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” When it came to the third, Biden was both pointed and emphatic, tying the events of January 6 and the broader effort to delegitimize November’s election to a wider crisis of democracy. “Congress,” he declared, “should pass H.R. 1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and send them to my desk right away.”

Biden is far from the only Democratic leader to have made the connection. In urging the Senate to pass H.R. 1, which would improve voter access and election security, Senator Chuck Schumer (hardly anyone’s idea of a firebrand) said in March that state voter-restriction laws “smack of Jim Crow rearing its ugly head once again.” He went as far as warning that “if we don’t stop these vicious and often racist actions, Third World autocracy will be on its way.” Schumer hasn’t been shy about naming an antagonist, either, citing a “concerted, nationwide effort to limit the rights of citizens to vote” and even declaring that “we won’t let [Republican-controlled legislatures] create a dictatorship in America.”

Granting some room for hyperbole, these dire pronouncements aren’t entirely misplaced. As of March 24, researchers at the Brennan Center for Justice had logged some 361 bills containing provisions that seek to restrict voting—a 43 percent increase from about the same time in February. Many involve the usual suite of suppression methods introduced under the auspices of fairness and transparency (expanded ID requirements, banning same-day voter registration, limiting the use of mail-in ballots, etc.), and one in Arizona even aspires to give the state legislature the authority to override the certification of future presidential-election results by simple majority vote. A recording recently released by The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer, meanwhile, makes more or less explicit that Republican operatives plan to use every tool at their disposal to defeat the renewed push for expanded voting rights, despite its widespread popularity.

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If Democracy Is Dying, Why Are Democrats So Complacent? (Original Post) Nevilledog May 2021 OP
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #1
Manchin. Sinema. FoxNewsSucks May 2021 #2
+ 1,000,000 Efilroft Sul May 2021 #3
Those two need to come under a full frontal assault. Whatever it takes, they must be forced to ... lagomorph777 May 2021 #13
Those in power don't want to rock the boat too much, even democrats. The people must be more triron May 2021 #4
The Constitution is a suicide pact if enough of us want it to be. SYFROYH May 2021 #5
Kick dalton99a May 2021 #6
I'm sure the blogosphere knows better than the Democratic Party leadership..... brooklynite May 2021 #7
No one is required to defer to Democratic Party leadership, especially when democracy is threatened friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #9
It's a fair question to ask our leaders in Washington. Boomerproud May 2021 #8
I hate this framing. I'm a Democrat and I'm not fucking complacent. Neither is any other Dem I know. LymphocyteLover May 2021 #10
The article is about lawmakers' actions versus words. lagomorph777 May 2021 #14
OK. Thanks. LymphocyteLover May 2021 #26
Well, it's been 21 years since Florida 2000, so... ananda May 2021 #11
Democrat's still believe in playing by the rules while Republican's look for ways to game the jalan48 May 2021 #12
This is what I think too. It's not that they don't care. It's that they don't know what to do. CrispyQ May 2021 #15
How does a democracy deal with a party which works toward one party rule and the elimination jalan48 May 2021 #18
This: "Democracy depends on competing interests playing by a set of agreed upon rules." CrispyQ May 2021 #27
I think the claim that American democracy is dying is just politics, i.e., hyperbole. Steelrolled May 2021 #16
January 6th, 2021 spanone May 2021 #17
History is on the side of the author, we need to learn from it so we don't repeat the bad parts uponit7771 May 2021 #22
Another Blame the Democrats for the Misdeeds of Republicans Narrative... TomCADem May 2021 #19
The article is entirely accurate in blaming *some* Democrats for their complacency... friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #20
Like the MSM they aren't alarmed by Republicans yet uponit7771 May 2021 #21
People believe it can't happen here until it does. Politicub May 2021 #23
Because Orange Bad Man gone n/t leftstreet May 2021 #24
Ugh, that word. Another "Why don't Democrats stop Republicans?" thing. betsuni May 2021 #25

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

FoxNewsSucks

(10,435 posts)
2. Manchin. Sinema.
Mon May 24, 2021, 02:27 PM
May 2021

If we end up living under fascist rule within a few years, we can blame them. Fascist corporate republiqons can thank them.

Making sure everyone can vote, that everyone's vote will be counted accurately, and that everyone's vote is meaningful (end gerrymandering) is the #1 most important thing to accomplish right now to ensure a democratic future in this country.

I hope all the people here and elsewhere who condemned the likes of Sarandon, Gabbard and their supporters for helping give us MF45 will also aim that same condemnation at Manchin, Sinema and their supporters.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Those two need to come under a full frontal assault. Whatever it takes, they must be forced to ...
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:53 PM
May 2021

... do their DAMNED JOBS!

I don't care if it takes Kompromat, bribery, extortion, campaigning all over their states, they have to be brought into line or we are all doomed.

triron

(22,029 posts)
4. Those in power don't want to rock the boat too much, even democrats. The people must be more
Mon May 24, 2021, 02:43 PM
May 2021

proactive I believe. If not democracy fails.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. The article is about lawmakers' actions versus words.
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:54 PM
May 2021

It's not casting any aspersions on us little people.

jalan48

(13,908 posts)
12. Democrat's still believe in playing by the rules while Republican's look for ways to game the
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:48 PM
May 2021

system in order to stay in power even if it means it's breaking our democracy. I don't think our leaders or anyone else knows how to deal with this.

CrispyQ

(36,556 posts)
15. This is what I think too. It's not that they don't care. It's that they don't know what to do.
Tue May 25, 2021, 11:16 AM
May 2021

There's really no way around senators like Manchin & Sinema if they don't want to cooperate. It's infuriating that two people can keep the entire party from responding to the threat at hand.

That said, isn't there something more we can do about that shit show down in AZ? The DOJ issued a warning over two weeks ago & as far as I know, nothing since. WTF?

jalan48

(13,908 posts)
18. How does a democracy deal with a party which works toward one party rule and the elimination
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:30 PM
May 2021

of the other party? We're seeing an authoritarian takeover of our government playing out in real time. Democracy depends on competing interests playing by a set of agreed upon rules. When that no longer happens it leads to instability and the toppling of the existing system which is what the Republican goal has been for awhile. I think many on our side still haven't become woke to what is going on and continue to believe that Trump, Green, Cruz, etc. are anomalies that will simply disappear along with their supporters if
we win the next election. The Republican's are actively putting in place new rules that will allow them to steal these elections. I think prison sentences for Trump and those who orchestrated the 1/6 coup attempt must happen before the next election if we are to have any chance of saving our democracy.

CrispyQ

(36,556 posts)
27. This: "Democracy depends on competing interests playing by a set of agreed upon rules."
Thu May 27, 2021, 10:05 AM
May 2021

We're still playing by the same rule book that the repubs have thrown in the trash. If McConnell ever gets the Senate back, the filibuster will be gone before you can snap your fingers.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
16. I think the claim that American democracy is dying is just politics, i.e., hyperbole.
Tue May 25, 2021, 11:19 AM
May 2021

It just plays well with cable news and social media.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
19. Another Blame the Democrats for the Misdeeds of Republicans Narrative...
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:32 PM
May 2021

...it is sort of like Republicans and the media blaming President Obama for Republicans continuing to be racist. Likewise, the article conveniently ignores the efforts of Democrats and activists to oppose such efforts while giving a free pass for Republicans to actively undermine Democracy, because after all, they are expected to act like that.

Ultimately, it is not up to Democrats to fix it, but it is up to voters to protest and vote out Republicans.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
20. The article is entirely accurate in blaming *some* Democrats for their complacency...
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:01 PM
May 2021

...and pointing out that the Republicans are naturally taking advantage of that complacency.

Republicans are largely fascists (or fascist-adjacent) these days- lying and backstabbing is what they do

Expecting Republicans to not act like what they truly are is dangerously naive.


There is a historical example that should guide us:

Neville Chamberlain not only got conned at Munich in 1938, but in 1939-40 allowed the British Expeditionary Force
to largely sit idly watching as the Nazis invaded and conquered Poland, rearmed, and then turned west to conquer
France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War



Politicub

(12,165 posts)
23. People believe it can't happen here until it does.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:05 PM
May 2021

It’s always the same story. We’ve seen this before and it doesn’t end well.

betsuni

(25,765 posts)
25. Ugh, that word. Another "Why don't Democrats stop Republicans?" thing.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:21 PM
May 2021

The myth that if Democrats just had the right leadership that "fight" "take on" yell and wave their arms around and say "working class" enough, have the right slogans (messaging), everything would be different.

Media, a hell of a lot of Americans who think Both Sides, that's who's complacent.

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