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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:04 PM May 2021

If the Senate does not approve a 1/6 Commission, the AG should appoint a Special Counsel?

They cannot be permitted to sweep it under the rug. Also, they should not be able to delay it for a couple of months, and still insist it be done by the end of the year, either.

It is time to get serious with this matter.

Everybody knows what happened. It just needs to be validated by the DOJ.

Let the Republicans know ahead of time what is going to happen. If they attempt to block this Commission, a Special Counsel will be appointed.

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If the Senate does not approve a 1/6 Commission, the AG should appoint a Special Counsel? (Original Post) kentuck May 2021 OP
Nope....need hearings on TV to publicly and finally settle the issue. tableturner May 2021 #1
A Special Counsel cannot do what a commission would have done without authorization from Congress StarfishSaver May 2021 #2
A Special Counsel needs authorization from Congress? kentuck May 2021 #6
Mueller was appointed by the AG to carry out an investigation that was within the AG's jurisdiction StarfishSaver May 2021 #7
If the Senate does not approve a Commission...? kentuck May 2021 #8
No. StarfishSaver May 2021 #9
Will Jim Jordan be on the Select Committee? kentuck May 2021 #11
Depends. StarfishSaver May 2021 #12
So, the Select Committee would be easily sabotaged. kentuck May 2021 #13
No. StarfishSaver May 2021 #14
"No process will be perfect..." kentuck May 2021 #15
At this point, Speaker Pelosi should establish a House Select Committee gohuskies May 2021 #3
Nope, Pelosi can then move forward with a House Select Committee, just like Benghazi. Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #4
We are the party in power. We need to act like it. If not now, when? Chainfire May 2021 #5
We ARE acting like it StarfishSaver May 2021 #10
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
2. A Special Counsel cannot do what a commission would have done without authorization from Congress
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:09 PM
May 2021

Which would require a vote by the House and Senate.

So, the short answer to your question is no.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
6. A Special Counsel needs authorization from Congress?
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:54 PM
May 2021

Did the House vote on Mueller?

The Special Counsel would report to the AG, correct?

Why would a Commission be preferable?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
7. Mueller was appointed by the AG to carry out an investigation that was within the AG's jurisdiction
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:04 PM
May 2021

His activities and budget and subpoena power were very limited. He only investigated what the AG already had the authority to investigate.

The commission and potential committee the Speaker could form would have much broader authorities, powers and budgets than the DOJ has. If DOJ was going to do those things, Congress would have to vote to grant those broader powers and give DOJ a larger budget.

There are things the AG can do that Congress can't (e.g., conduct criminal investigations, convene grand juries, indict and prosecute people, etc.), things that Congress can do that the AG can't do. A commission or committee is necessary to carry out those latter activities that the AG either doesn't have the authority to do or doesn't have the budget, staffing and expertise to handle. That's why it's important for there to be a commission or committee working while the AG focuses on the criminal investigations and prosecutions that it is working on.

Of course, they'll cooperate and coordinate, but the work needs to be spread out.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
8. If the Senate does not approve a Commission...?
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:10 PM
May 2021

Would a Special Counsel be preferable to a Select Committee?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
9. No.
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:13 PM
May 2021

Speaker Pelosi can appoint a select committee to do most of the things a commission would do, many of which DOJ can't.

Under Merrick Garland, DOJ is doing everything a Special Counsel would do.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. No.
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:18 PM
May 2021

Jordan being on the committee does not mean he can sabotage it. He's one person with very little power.

He was on the House Judiciary Committee and didn't sabotage the impeachment.

We need to stop looking for ways to complain that this process or that process won't be perfect. No process will be perfect and in a divided government, there is no way to move forward without some Republican involvement.

gohuskies

(1,158 posts)
3. At this point, Speaker Pelosi should establish a House Select Committee
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:19 PM
May 2021

to investigate and screw the composition equality guardrails that the rethugs wish to use to cover up their stinking corruption and complicity in the insurrection. This charade of bi-partianship will never work. They proved this when they persisted to go after Hillary Clinton over Benghazi and before that with Ken Starr's actual witch hunt for Travelgate and Whitewater that led to the Lewinsky mess. Screw the GQP.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,695 posts)
4. Nope, Pelosi can then move forward with a House Select Committee, just like Benghazi.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:22 PM
May 2021

A HSC would have more power, including subpoena powers, than the compromise commission in the current proposed legislation.

And it will all be televised, unlike DOJ or Special Counsel investigations- and DOJ’s indictments will continue regardless.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
10. We ARE acting like it
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:15 PM
May 2021

Being in power doesn't mean just shoving things down people's throat and rushing in wily nily.

Just like impeachment, foundations and groundwork must be laid. A lot is occurring behind the scenes so that when a committee is formed, it's ready to go from day one. Just because you can't see it happening doesn't mean it's not.

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