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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING in WP: Grand jury convened in Trump case in New York
Manhattan's district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.
The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters not just the Trump case during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.
The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-investigation-grand-jury/2021/05/25/5f47911c-bcca-11eb-83e3-0ca705a96ba4_story.html
As I keep saying ... Don't assume that just because you can't see the wheels working that they aren't turning.
malaise
(269,897 posts)Get thee to the greatest page
slumcamper
(1,612 posts)ka-BOOOOOOM, walls closing in, death by a thousand cuts.
LOCK.
THEM.
ANYWHERE.
malaise
(269,897 posts)Think I'll make fudge as we watch them fudge facts and figures
slumcamper
(1,612 posts)B/C this is what I'm feelin', I'm checking the dictionary for spelling, definition, and pronunciation:
scha·den·freu·de
"SHädənˌfroidə"
noun; 1. pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune
malaise
(269,897 posts)Can't wait for this one
TheBlackAdder
(28,313 posts).
Here's the original full song.
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malaise
(269,897 posts)I'm singing`If You're Happy an dyou know it clap your hands
yonder
(9,701 posts)That's a hot number by itself, unhooked from a cartoon.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He was an accomplished jazz composer, and electronic wizard.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,253 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)marble falls
(58,319 posts)Harker
(14,184 posts)If not days.
mcar
(42,567 posts)Where's the rubbing my hands emoji?
marble falls
(58,319 posts)OMGWTF
(4,034 posts)he'll be ineligible to run again in 2024?
George II
(67,782 posts)mcar
(42,567 posts)Thanks George.
Aristus
(66,689 posts)And then every Trumpanzee is screeching distance is going to scamper over, vying for the honor of eating it...
wnylib
(22,036 posts)the results of the grand jury start coming out. Maybe before. He will be getting reports from people called to testify so that he'll know some specific details on where the investigation is going.
Yes, I know that grand jury proceedings are secret and witnesses are not supposed to speak about their testimony and the questions asked. But they can be threatened and manipulated by the criminals under investigation.
Roc2020
(1,626 posts)wnylib
(22,036 posts)for anything. Why would he start now? He has always arranged an escape for himself. I am sure that he hasa backup escape plan already set up. He will stick it out only long enough to see if he can bluster his way out, via political backing to protect him, or another coup to get absolute power. But if it looks reasonably certain that that won't work, he'll be out of of the US faster than you can say traitor coward.
Ocelot II
(116,353 posts)Let's hope they return a hot, juicy indictment.
Trueblue1968
(17,280 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,523 posts)Even if you get indicted and convicted, Kim Kardashian is ready to help you with her prison reform law skills. (If you don't believe me, ask Van Jones.)
chocolatpi
(7,888 posts)Thank you for all that you do.
malaise
(269,897 posts)chocolatpi
(7,888 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,357 posts)This is great news!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)My guess is, it aint trump. Its the CFO as announced a few days ago.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/20/trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg-faces-criminal-tax-investigation.html
Hope Im wrong.
11 Bravo
(23,935 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)I think he has the goods on all of them. Remember, he has had the tax returns for awhile now. I hope he goes for the Big Kahuna and indicts everybody. None of these people deserve any kind of a deal.
onetexan
(13,126 posts)our country's democracy and uphold justice and the law. I hope he will have the fortitude to withstand the pressure and intimidation the RWers will rail against him & his family. Same for Tish James. I hope they have 24-hour protection.
NH Ethylene
(30,840 posts)It's not like a regular grand jury.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)everyonematters
(3,447 posts)Trump is going to run for president from jail.
calimary
(81,793 posts)But maybe hell just have to settle for the big house.
One can SOITENLY hope!
Blue Owl
(50,855 posts)Comfortably_Numb
(3,901 posts)Blue Owl
(50,855 posts)Comfortably_Numb
(3,901 posts)murielm99
(30,817 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)south america?
russia?
Tommy Carcetti
(43,253 posts)Wednesdays
(17,624 posts)Putin won't want him hanging around, and the Former Guy's family is rather chummy with Salman.
kentuck
(111,130 posts)That is a big story!
FM123
(10,056 posts)I can always count on the good folks at DU to share news like this first - even before it hits MSNBC. Good job!
malaise
(269,897 posts)Trump or Weisselberg?
FM123
(10,056 posts)I think it's going to be trump....
Comfortably_Numb
(3,901 posts)Tick tock mofo!!!!
NH Ethylene
(30,840 posts)I look forward to enjoying this grand jury experience without the criminal spoiling it with his mental belches.
Comfortably_Numb
(3,901 posts)bikeboy
(126 posts)Like Fitzmass... Let's hope this time December is a charm not a flat tire...
Still, bring in on and may they're judgement be Solid.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,707 posts)When they come for you.
RicROC
(1,207 posts)Champp
(2,114 posts)Lock him up. Let him whine all day and night. Lock him up.
It's the fair thing.
RicROC
(1,207 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,403 posts)slumcamper
(1,612 posts)...how do we (i.e., the SANE constituency within the nation) deal with the likelihood that the former guy--even if indicted--actually runs again and becomes the GOP nominee (to exploit the system and wriggle through the eye of the needle of the law)?
We all know that using, abusing and exploiting workers, women, and "the system" are the M.O. of this transnational crime syndicate and deplorable DJT entity...and I hope somebody with authority, power and influence is playing 3-D chess.
And time is of the essence. SLAM-DUNK these MFers!!!
Tree Lady
(11,595 posts)Seems like he will appeal. After 5 years of constant news, social media, etc everyone has an opinion on him.
When I asked my husband this he said it's obvious to everyone except his cult followers how guilty he is.
Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)but Grand Juries don't always have 12 members, nor to they always require a unanimus opinion. For instance, I sat on a Civil Grand Jury of 19 jurors, and a decision required 12 votes, which in our case was considered a supermajority.
That being said, my initial reaction to the breaking news is oh, great, another year of investigation.
Tree Lady
(11,595 posts)I have just been on two regular juries.
Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)This website has a brief synopsis relevant here:
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-procedure/how-does-a-grand-jury-work.html
This is specifically about NY State Grand Juries:
https://www.johnbuzalaw.com/blog/2014/12/how-does-the-grand-jury-work-in-new-york/
Captain Zero
(6,932 posts)easily. Regular people there can't stand him. He's been annoying and a known criminal since the 80s. It's obvious he was mobbed up. Maybe Rudy Giuliani as the prosecutor for SDNY back then is why he never went to jail back then. Maybe all this will sweep up Rudy too.
The very last crime I wouldn't put past Trump and Family? JURY TAMPERING.
mwooldri
(10,315 posts)Fucked over a little bit? Totally fucked? Right royally fucked over? I want to know how much skullfuckery he's in for.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(146,619 posts)PatrickforB
(14,624 posts)Disgusting human being.
Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)iluvtennis
(19,977 posts)sheshe2
(84,287 posts)Relentlessly!
spanone
(136,086 posts)CanonRay
(14,223 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(146,619 posts)Yavin4
(35,490 posts)Come on DU. You're slipping.
Takket
(21,827 posts)when a grand jury sees evidence, do they know who they are possibly indicting? Like, is it "drumpf did this and drumpf did that" or do they not use names... "individual 1 did this, individual 1 did that"... etc
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)is to evaluate the evidence to decide those things. But the DA will be leading them in the direction he thinks will produce indictments. There is no Defense or Judge in Grand Jury proceedings. The DA runs the show. The Grand Jury is basically deciding whether they agree with him or not.
LetMyPeopleVote
(146,619 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)honest.abe
(8,707 posts)Lock him up!
housecat
(3,121 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Skittles
(153,604 posts)convening a grand jury is a step in the right direction
housecat
(3,121 posts)Botany
(70,784 posts)Btw Georgia has him on tape and the DoJ has him on 1/6/21 DC.
Pinback
(12,191 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We did our part when we elected Democrats.
PCIntern
(25,785 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,649 posts)roamer65
(36,749 posts)wiggs
(7,844 posts)Dr. Jack
(675 posts)Even to the point of trying to murder congress and overthrow the government. It's only been a few months and he already appears to be absolutely fucked, god willing
BootinUp
(47,302 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And we shouldn't want to rush the process. This case has to be solid as a rock
BootinUp
(47,302 posts)they have earned a huge helping of justice
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Not a moment before,
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But your pessimism is noted.
DFW
(54,700 posts)This was a Republican idea to begin with, so why are they upset that we finally found one of their tactics worth emulating?
FakeNoose
(33,196 posts)At the moment Manhattan is winning. But don't discount the other two.
Paladin
(28,338 posts)If trump and his lunatic followers can obtain identity information on any of them, their lives and the lives of their families will be in real danger.
JuJuChen
(2,221 posts)this doesn't happen unless they got something juicy.
llashram
(6,265 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,595 posts)Unless they have a need to rattle someone's cage, prosecutors have little to gain and a lot to lose by showing their hand any sooner than they have to.