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Pay attention, please. This is your money, not an entitlement. (Original Post) CousinIT Jul 2022 OP
Absolutely, its our money! Bayard Jul 2022 #1
They have no other issues to run with RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #2
That's exactly what the word "entitlement" means. marybourg Jul 2022 #3
Exactly ProfessorGAC Jul 2022 #5
Legally entitled is true. But not "bad". Captain Zero Jul 2022 #10
Yes, you are right. Social Security IS an entitlement program. raging moderate Jul 2022 #14
I'd like to see NowISeetheLight Aug 2022 #38
Yes, you are right; TITLE EQUALS NAME. raging moderate Jul 2022 #16
Yes. We're entitled to everything that belongs to us, including OUR Soc Sec. Hortensis Aug 2022 #39
Republicans think it won't happen to them. blueinredohio Jul 2022 #4
That's why we need to force a vote on it GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #19
Republicans don't respect workers, the source of pay-as-you-go Social Security gulliver Jul 2022 #6
They also want to eliminate FICA deductions that House of Roberts Jul 2022 #9
They still want the FICA income stream Captain Zero Jul 2022 #12
That has always burned 🔥 my ass. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 SergeStorms Jul 2022 #7
Yes, that is an entitlement. raging moderate Jul 2022 #11
Not the way republicans describe it. SergeStorms Jul 2022 #21
Actually I hope Mitch tries to do that. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #8
It's deferred income, and therefore earned income. That's why we pay taxes on it. Gaugamela Jul 2022 #13
Republicans would love to give your money to investment firms IronLionZion Jul 2022 #15
I recall when "Reagan" DENVERPOPS Jul 2022 #17
Reagan is the Traildogbob Jul 2022 #23
If they want to end it, then I WANT IT BACK LittleGirl Jul 2022 #18
Same here. Norbert Aug 2022 #40
Exactly! eom LittleGirl Aug 2022 #41
We should be framing those as retroactive tax hikes on the middle and lower class. plimsoll Jul 2022 #20
It absolutely IS AN ENTITLEMENT, because it's your money, and you're entitled to it........... W T F Jul 2022 #22
Yes, you are entitled to it, because you earned it! raging moderate Jul 2022 #24
Too alarmist. President Biden would veto any reduction in social spending. totodeinhere Jul 2022 #25
But they won't touch corporate welfare! The Jungle 1 Jul 2022 #26
Why is "entitlement" a bad word? Gore1FL Jul 2022 #27
Yes! Thank you! Jack the Greater Jul 2022 #28
for the same reason femminist, woke, union are bad words Skittles Jul 2022 #29
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #30
K&R n/t electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #31
Joe Biden is still president after the midterms. former9thward Jul 2022 #32
Maybe it's aimed at the Both Sides people to get them not to vote. betsuni Aug 2022 #36
Yep Meowmee Jul 2022 #33
kick Ligyron Jul 2022 #34
But I'm entitled to my money! Emile Aug 2022 #35
The Reality Is NowISeetheLight Aug 2022 #37

Bayard

(22,327 posts)
1. Absolutely, its our money!
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:29 PM
Jul 2022

We earned it. Something the wealthy who inherited their money, don't know much about. They think they have much better uses for these funds, so, let the peasants eat cake!

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,684 posts)
2. They have no other issues to run with
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jul 2022

oh were are going to take away from and be cruel too.....and their voters go oh yeah...until the cuts effect them...then WTF...but it's too late

marybourg

(12,657 posts)
3. That's exactly what the word "entitlement" means.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jul 2022

You paid for it; you’re “entitled” to it. Don’t let the magarats distort the meaning of words.

ProfessorGAC

(65,606 posts)
5. Exactly
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:14 PM
Jul 2022

There was a deal made. They took our money with all promise we'd get back some or all of it, over time, when we got old.
Of course, we entitled to it. A deal is a deal. I thought Rs all believed in business deals.

Captain Zero

(6,907 posts)
10. Legally entitled is true. But not "bad".
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jul 2022

We are entitled because WE PLAYED BY THE RULES TO GET IT. NOW THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES. FUCK THAT.

FUCK THEM.

raging moderate

(4,327 posts)
14. Yes, you are right. Social Security IS an entitlement program.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jul 2022

Be very careful. These GOP jerks are just vicious enough to have a long-term plan to change the meaning of the word "entitlement" so they can wipe out all these programs.

If you receive money from an entitlement program, that means you are entitled to it. That money has YOUR NAME (TITLE) on it, because YOU EARNED THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE IT!

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
38. I'd like to see
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 07:21 AM
Aug 2022

A yearly social security statement once you’re getting a check that shows how much you and your employer paid in (lifetime) versus how much you’ve received. I think it would help educate people as to how these programs are funded. Democrats could use this because people on average get back more than they paid in. The only way for this to work is to increase the tax base or cut benefits. So Republicans are totally against increasing taxes. Their fix is benefits cuts. Dems need to hammer this home.

raging moderate

(4,327 posts)
16. Yes, you are right; TITLE EQUALS NAME.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:46 PM
Jul 2022

It has your title (name) on it, because you earned it. For too long, these people have been allowed to distort the English language to suit their twisted purposes. Stand firm against them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Yes. We're entitled to everything that belongs to us, including OUR Soc Sec.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:28 AM
Aug 2022

We created this national retirement program that we pay for for ourselves. We arranged for employers to direct a portion of employees' EARNED remuneration directly into the employees' national retirement fund.

It's OURs. It's ALL ours. Even most trumpists believe that and voted for him to protect it.

One easy but significant way to fight for it is to use the word "entitled" to mean entitled, not the Republican, racism and greed-driven corruption of undeserving.

GoodRaisin

(8,944 posts)
19. That's why we need to force a vote on it
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:02 PM
Jul 2022

while we still can. If they actually start to believe the Republican candidate they are voting for will steal their social security, they might change their vote.

gulliver

(13,211 posts)
6. Republicans don't respect workers, the source of pay-as-you-go Social Security
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:20 PM
Jul 2022

Republican oldsters need to start looking at those young people they currently shortchange. Every time a Republican cuts funding for education, healthcare, or nutrition they are cutting the future funding of Social Security and Medicare. It isn't just that Republicans want to cut Social Security and Medicare. They want to underfund its future by stunting the wage growth of the young and standing in the way of legal immigration. This is a "reap what you sow" double whammy that comes from the Republican Party.

House of Roberts

(5,210 posts)
9. They also want to eliminate FICA deductions that
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:37 PM
Jul 2022

the employer has to match. Think workers would get that in cash if the program is ended? Not likely. The oppressor class will keep most of it, and still claim you got a tax cut.

Captain Zero

(6,907 posts)
12. They still want the FICA income stream
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:42 PM
Jul 2022

You can bet on that. They will just divert it to Opus Dei schools or something like that.

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
7. That has always burned 🔥 my ass. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:25 PM
Jul 2022

Entitlement my ass! My employer and I paid into that for 40+ years. If that's an "entitlement" you can kiss my ass.

raging moderate

(4,327 posts)
11. Yes, that is an entitlement.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jul 2022

You are entitled to receive that money because your employer and you paid into it for 40+ years. Because I worked for the public school system during most of my career, my employers and I did not pay quite enough into the system to qualify me for Social Security payments. Therefore, I am not entitled to it. You, however, ARE entitled to it. Don't worry about me; I am entitled to receive my teacher's pension instead. Enjoy!

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
21. Not the way republicans describe it.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:27 PM
Jul 2022

They frame it almost as if it's welfare, and their brain-dead constituents agree.

I know it's my money, you know it's your money, but republicans believe it's their money.They frame the word "entitlement" to mean a government giveaway.

Mr.Bill

(24,418 posts)
8. Actually I hope Mitch tries to do that.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:31 PM
Jul 2022

Biden will veto any such legislation and it will help heep republicans from getting elected to Congress or the Presidency in '24.

Gaugamela

(2,502 posts)
13. It's deferred income, and therefore earned income. That's why we pay taxes on it.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:43 PM
Jul 2022

Cutting Social Security would be blatant theft by the capitalist class.

IronLionZion

(45,727 posts)
15. Republicans would love to give your money to investment firms
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jul 2022

and tell you that you're entitled to nothing.

DENVERPOPS

(8,994 posts)
17. I recall when "Reagan"
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:46 PM
Jul 2022

decided there was not enough money coming into Social Security and DOUBLED the payroll deduction from 7 1/2 % to 15 %.

Then the next year he said: We are swimming in money and can easily afford the largest tax cut on record to the uber wealthy.

Gore had witnessed them looting the SSI fund continually like it was a giant slush fund and wanted it to start being put in a lock box.
You see where that got him...........

Anytime, throughout our history, the Republicans see a large amount of money somewhere, they go after it for their own use.........

It's not only SSI retirement money, SSI also funds all the disability money, don't forget that!!!!!!!!

Traildogbob

(8,958 posts)
23. Reagan is the
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:44 PM
Jul 2022

One that put a federal tax on Social Security recipients. Too cover lost revenue for his rich ass tax cuts.
For those that say, “it will never happen, too many people will take to the streets”. Well tell it to woman that never dreamed they would be mandated to carry rapists baby to term, and allow rapist visitation, or die carrying a dead fetus until gubment says you may remove it.
They never thought it would happen. Until they met todays GQP and their Christian court.
Why the hell is the DCCC not screaming at every microphone right now, with McConnell, Scott, Graham saying it out load. Even Cawthorn had a plan to end SS, but GQO glued his lips shut for telling tells on GQP party’s.
Their plan will also leave SSDI recipients with no help at all.
Fuck every damn one of those vet hating, women hating, senior citizen hating, fake Jesus worshiping, greedy, evil sons and daughters of bitches. I wish Covid would do it’s worst on each of them. And their damn families.
We need to end immediately, ALL retirement entitlements to ALL politicians before a dime of SS is looted.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
18. If they want to end it, then I WANT IT BACK
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:50 PM
Jul 2022

In full, with interest, rfn.

I’m retiring so I can use that lump sum.

Vote Blue!

Norbert

(6,047 posts)
40. Same here.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:35 AM
Aug 2022

I paid into it for over 50 years. Mitch, Rick Scott and company are not getting my money. I'd rather have it in my mattress than to have these thieves have control over it.

plimsoll

(1,672 posts)
20. We should be framing those as retroactive tax hikes on the middle and lower class.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:08 PM
Jul 2022

Getting rid of those "entitlements" turns the Social Security and Medicare contributions you made into taxes. And remember this is a tax that gets capped after you make so much money, so it is a completely regressive tax. A poll tax if you want.

W T F

(1,150 posts)
22. It absolutely IS AN ENTITLEMENT, because it's your money, and you're entitled to it...........
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jul 2022

When did the word "Entitlement" every become a dirty word?

raging moderate

(4,327 posts)
24. Yes, you are entitled to it, because you earned it!
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:54 PM
Jul 2022

We must stop letting these people distort our language for their twisted, deceitful purposes!

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
25. Too alarmist. President Biden would veto any reduction in social spending.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:57 PM
Jul 2022

Nobody is predicting that there is a chance that the GOP will get veto proof majorities in the election.

Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
28. Yes! Thank you!
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 06:33 PM
Jul 2022

The word "entitlement" has been demonized. When you work 40 hours a week your paycheck is an entitlement, because you are ENTITLED to it! Someone, at some point in time, has equated the the world "entitlement" with the word "handout".

Skittles

(153,467 posts)
29. for the same reason femminist, woke, union are bad words
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 07:19 PM
Jul 2022

repukes brainwashed a huge segment of Americans to believe they are bad words

former9thward

(32,241 posts)
32. Joe Biden is still president after the midterms.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:53 PM
Jul 2022

How would Rs or anybody else jam through anything without his signature?

Emile

(23,416 posts)
35. But I'm entitled to my money!
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 05:34 AM
Aug 2022

Entitlement is not a bad word! Next thing republicans will be saying is that kneeling is a sign of disrespect or something just as stupid.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
37. The Reality Is
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 07:15 AM
Aug 2022

That both SS & Medicare are grossly underfunded. People on average get quite a bit more back in benefits over the lifetime compared to what they paid in. Urban Institute did a nice report (full if data) on the topic and except for the top income range (Single Male with maximum taxable $137k in 2020) every other group got back more than they paid in. I don’t use the word “entitlement” because of that.

They need to do something. I like the concept of the Sanders bill. A $200 raise monthly and increased taxes to stabilize the system. It’s going to be a progressive system (like our tax system) but that isn’t such a bad thing.

Democrats need to make SS the focus of the election. Push a bill thru now and let Republicans vote NO on the record than hammer them with it. I think the average American is ignorant as to how these programs work and the benefits of them. They lifted the elderly out of poverty. They need to educate people.

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