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edhopper

(33,878 posts)
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:13 AM Apr 2023

The MTG interview is a taste

of how the media will handle Trump or DeSantis or whichever lying fascist is the GOP nominee next year.

Normalize, don't push back, don't call out, let them deflect and ramble on. Treat them as if they somehow deserve respect.

And the whole thing is a horse race anyway, right?

We are truly fucked.

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The MTG interview is a taste (Original Post) edhopper Apr 2023 OP
Absolutely. It was disgraceful. And this is how they get normalized. Scrivener7 Apr 2023 #1
Normalized tRump first time around, second time around should be a breeze! Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #3
And we're so stupid, some are still saying, "We need to give her a platform!" Scrivener7 Apr 2023 #4
...are only two horses in the American election race, ever...what if one dies? No one will watch! Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #2
And a fascist, democracy destroying Party in power edhopper Apr 2023 #6
:) Hmmm, but only small percentages follow shallow horse race Hortensis Apr 2023 #34
No. betsuni Apr 2023 #5
Care to explain? Inquiring minds want to know more than just "No." AZLD4Candidate Apr 2023 #7
Betsuni was quoting Marcel Marceau... Shipwack Apr 2023 #9
There's never an explanation. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2023 #10
Not always.. mountain grammy Apr 2023 #12
You're right, FoxNewsSucks Apr 2023 #14
Some poster were glowing in their praise edhopper Apr 2023 #18
Well inthewind21 Apr 2023 #24
no, no, no, no... Javaman Apr 2023 #16
Was she armed? Traildogbob Apr 2023 #8
+1000 mountain grammy Apr 2023 #11
It's what they did in 2016 Johonny Apr 2023 #13
Trump didn't win in 16, we lost it by not supporting the only candidate who could beat Trump Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #20
+1 Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #27
I tire of the elevation of weak honestly terrible candidates to such a level. Neither Trump nor Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #15
They've killed a shit ton of their people since then as well. Also new polling out today showing onecaliberal Apr 2023 #19
He will move to the middle edhopper Apr 2023 #21
Democracy is in peril. sarcasmo Apr 2023 #17
There is very little real journalism left in the media. It's little more than a reality show. hadEnuf Apr 2023 #22
I don't appreciate the amplification of fascists either. cilla4progress Apr 2023 #23
"60 Minutes is neither msnbc or fox. It is viewed as more neutral." BannonsLiver Apr 2023 #25
Let's hope the 60 Minutes piece on Greene was an example. Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #26
If this is how other media outlets act edhopper Apr 2023 #29
I disagree entirely. Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #30
You overestimate the thinking edhopper Apr 2023 #32
The logic of liberal democracy depends on having an informed citizenry. Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #33
Reason Does Not Desist In The Face Of Delusion Else Our Freedoms No Longer Exist MayReasonRule Apr 2023 #28
In the US, ruthless criminal sociopaths get all the attention, respect, protection. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #31

Scrivener7

(51,195 posts)
1. Absolutely. It was disgraceful. And this is how they get normalized.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:21 AM
Apr 2023

This is how Joe and Mika normalized tfg. This is how empty green will be normalized and her disgusting actions made "just part of the discussion."

It was nauseating.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
3. Normalized tRump first time around, second time around should be a breeze!
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:28 AM
Apr 2023

We all being played, again, but the not at all neutral msm.

CBSNBCABC, joined at the hip in brainwashing America for 70 years!

Scrivener7

(51,195 posts)
4. And we're so stupid, some are still saying, "We need to give her a platform!"
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:33 AM
Apr 2023

Either they are completely hornswaggled or they understand completely that the "platform" given to the howler-monkey fascists by the media is ALWAYS a cushion and their agenda is to make us feel that is acceptable. If it is the latter, they are trolls.

Just once, I would LOVE to see one of the howler monkeys get a REAL interview where they have to explain their anti-American words and actions.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
2. ...are only two horses in the American election race, ever...what if one dies? No one will watch!
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:27 AM
Apr 2023

MSM has no choice but to prop up the dead best horse being ridden by Nazis!

They may not like it it, but it must be so done!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. :) Hmmm, but only small percentages follow shallow horse race
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 03:20 PM
Apr 2023

coverage anyway, though. It's awful, but I suspect overstated? Evening news shows use horse-race "coverage" between commercials. But most who'll vote know who appeals and also who they'll vote for -- their party's nominee.

On musing, though, have to agree though that, even rushing to replace a dead nominee, the Democratic show would very quickly bore (don't we always?) and media coverage would quickly re-degenerate to horse race level. The solid liberal governors, senators, etcetera, that Democrats choose are generally so similar in essentials that political media are "forced" to lean heavily on manufactured conflict. But, again, very few of the 81M Democrats who voted in 2020 pay the kind of attention we do to political media.

Real entertainment value is provided by the depraved performances on the right.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,481 posts)
10. There's never an explanation.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:47 AM
Apr 2023

Just the knee-jerk defense of corporate media.

It's disgusting to me that "reformed republicons" like Scarborough did a fairly good job this morning covering that mistake of an interview yet the same certain posters on a "DEMOCRATIC" message board always take the side of corporate media and the scumbags they prop up.

mountain grammy

(26,738 posts)
12. Not always..
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:53 AM
Apr 2023

but it's disturbing to see anything positive here about that interview. Nothing positive about giving Nazis a national stage showing them as "normal."

It was done often with Hitler..

FoxNewsSucks

(10,481 posts)
14. You're right,
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:02 AM
Apr 2023

I edited my post. I should have been more specific that it always is the same handful of individuals

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
24. Well
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:24 AM
Apr 2023

The "corporate media" wouldn't exist if they didn't have throngs of people watching to later bitch about them on a message board. If you hate the media, why do you contribute to their coffers and watch?

Traildogbob

(9,014 posts)
8. Was she armed?
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:51 AM
Apr 2023

She will be on Bill Maher next.
Let Oberman interview her. Or Rachel. Or the Rude Pundit. Maybe Jebusss after he rises next weekend.

Johonny

(21,147 posts)
13. It's what they did in 2016
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:59 AM
Apr 2023

They reported the Access Hollywood tape, but they didn't hammer on it as simply unacceptable the way they would have if a Dem had said it.

They called out MTG for lying about school shooting, but didn't hammer her over and over about it. They pretend to do their job, but don't really do their job. And thus, let the story diffuse. Look what they did with the Mueller report. Sure, they reported it, but they absolutely didn't really cover it.

Demsrule86

(69,033 posts)
20. Trump didn't win in 16, we lost it by not supporting the only candidate who could beat Trump
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:12 AM
Apr 2023

in the General. The Greens and others on our side deliberately helped Triump in a handful of rust-belt states in the General. That saying Trump barely won 16 and lost in 20. Biden will beat either Trump or De Santis.

Demsrule86

(69,033 posts)
15. I tire of the elevation of weak honestly terrible candidates to such a level. Neither Trump nor
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:08 AM
Apr 2023

DeSantis will win a General. Trump barely won by picking off a handful of votes in rust-belt states with a great deal of help from some on our side who refused to vote for Hillary in the General...the Greens as always were particularly awful. I hope Jill Stein has sleepless nights for the rest of her sorry life with the damage she and others caused.

DeSantis has become so far right, he will not be able to move to the middle in any election and will lose also. The things he has done In Florida are not popular except with his loser base and that is not enough to win a General. These two are both fascists at heart and have been revealed. Neither will win a General. We are not fucked and I suggest that spreading doom and gloom and demoralizing other Democrats to give up before the 24 elections have even begun is simply foolish. We are not fucked period. Vote Democratic always.

onecaliberal

(33,220 posts)
19. They've killed a shit ton of their people since then as well. Also new polling out today showing
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:11 AM
Apr 2023

a majority of americans think pisswig should be indicted.

edhopper

(33,878 posts)
21. He will move to the middle
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:12 AM
Apr 2023

and the Media will not report on the things he did before getting nominated.
And the GOP strategy is not to win the popular vote, but the Electoral College. This has succeeded twice in the last 6 elections. It will again.

hadEnuf

(2,283 posts)
22. There is very little real journalism left in the media. It's little more than a reality show.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:33 AM
Apr 2023

Pieces of garbage like MGT are interviewed for ratings under the guise of "you decide". She is an evil lunatic fascist but she draws viewers so that's ALL that counts. Journalistic integrity is gone, except for a few who are regularly ostracized and regulated to lower rated channels.

Until there are some sort of journalistic standards enacted to separate real news from the polluted bullshit that dominates the airwaves, the American public will continue to walk around with their heads up their asses until it just doesn't matter anymore. We are more than halfway there already.

cilla4progress

(24,891 posts)
23. I don't appreciate the amplification of fascists either.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:43 AM
Apr 2023

But I do believe Stahl exposed some of mtg's wackiness and lies.

Point being: 60 minutes is neither msnbc or fox. It is viewed as more neutral. Hopefully some folks who otherwise would only see glowing media reports of mtg saw and heard some things that they didn't expect or know about her.

The only justification i can see.

Stahl expressed quite a bit of sarcasm and eye-rolling over mtg's assertions and lies.

It's too much to believe it changed any minds.

BannonsLiver

(16,639 posts)
25. "60 Minutes is neither msnbc or fox. It is viewed as more neutral."
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:33 AM
Apr 2023

I’ve found that most DUers want the same thing Fox and Newsmax viewers want, which is constant validation of their thoughts and feelings. Anything that deviates from that is unpleasant, not something they want to see etc.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
26. Let's hope the 60 Minutes piece on Greene was an example.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:39 AM
Apr 2023

Exposing the lies and lunacy of extremist MAGAt to the light is precisely how responsible news outlets should act.

Bravo to Lesley Tahl and CBS for airing this important take down of Greene.

Hopefully it serves as an example for other to further expose the rot in the Republican Party.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
30. I disagree entirely.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 12:28 PM
Apr 2023

It will help drive voters who seek sanity to vote for the Democratic Party in droves.

Joe Biden, for one, is the perfect antidote to the populist extremist alternatives.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
33. The logic of liberal democracy depends on having an informed citizenry.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 01:51 PM
Apr 2023

That's why airing stories like this one is critical to stopping the populist extremists from turning this country into an authoritarian state.

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
28. Reason Does Not Desist In The Face Of Delusion Else Our Freedoms No Longer Exist
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:55 AM
Apr 2023


We're all on the page of...
"Oh, make me want to holler and throw up both my hands"
.

Nonetheless we will not desist.

Feelings won't change outcomes.
Actions change outcomes.

Which is why we each must work within arms reach of our respective derrieres playing substantive roles as we fight for reason in the face of malevolently delusional fascism.

Can't never could do nothing.

Reason always "can".

Irish_Dem

(49,879 posts)
31. In the US, ruthless criminal sociopaths get all the attention, respect, protection.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 01:07 PM
Apr 2023

Everyone bends over backwards for them.

The rest of us not so much.
We are on our own.

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