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BWdem4life

(1,769 posts)
Tue May 30, 2023, 12:58 AM May 2023

14 years ago I had a WTAF moment

I was living in a reddish county in my very blue state. It was 2009. President Obama hadn't even had time to really do much, and yet, there at the post office, a couple of RWNJ's had set up a table outside with a bad picture of Obama superimposed over a nazi symbol.

My first thought was, "are these guys for real?" Then I thought, "Wait, I thought he was supposed to be a socialist. Do these guys not even know the difference between socialism and fascism? Maybe they do and they just don't care. Maybe they're just trying to own the libs."

The really important point, I didn't get until much later. Because, at the time, these right wingers were attempting to link Obama with the nazi symbol; therefore, they must have recognized that nazism was almost universally hated.

And yet, just 8 years later, there were right wingers flying the nazi flag in Charlottesville, and a Republican president essentially defending them.

It makes me wonder what the two guys who had been labeling Obama as a nazi thought about it all. Did they still consider the nazi flag to be a bad thing?

Now we're seeing pics of a kid wearing a nazi shirt.

The nazi symbol is powerful. It is not a plaything. It is not to be treated lightly, or to be used just to get someone's goat. If you're displaying the symbol, you'd better be prepared to be taken seriously.

Just my opinion.

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14 years ago I had a WTAF moment (Original Post) BWdem4life May 2023 OP
Back then, I too saw the exact same thing here in California.... GReedDiamond May 2023 #1
You're assuming those 2 at the post office were intelligent.... AZ8theist May 2023 #2
I'm a mild iconoclast canetoad May 2023 #3
Well said malaise May 2023 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs May 2023 #4
I lived in an apartment building in West Philadelphia PCIntern May 2023 #6
It was, once upon a time, a good luck symbol. hunter May 2023 #8
The simple answer is. Niagara May 2023 #7

GReedDiamond

(5,321 posts)
1. Back then, I too saw the exact same thing here in California....
Tue May 30, 2023, 01:44 AM
May 2023

...two nitwits sitting behind a card table displaying the Obama/swastika image.

Those guys were not your "usual" RWNJobs.

They were followers of Lyndon LaRouche.

Quick summary of LaRouche's activities, according to his Wikipedia page (linked below):

LaRouche had started out in the 1950s on the far-left as a Trotskyist, but by the 70s morphed into an extreme right-wingnut with a cult following of a "few thousand" people.

He was convicted of fraud, spent a few years in prison.

He started "political parties," such as the U.S. Labor Party

He ran for president many times.

He had his own "intelligence network."

He assumed room temperature, as Rush Limbo used to say, in 2019, aged 96.

For much, much more about this particular wacko, here's a link to his Wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

AZ8theist

(5,609 posts)
2. You're assuming those 2 at the post office were intelligent....
Tue May 30, 2023, 04:02 AM
May 2023

When in reality, every single Trumptard is a FUCKING IMBECILE.

You have to be really, really, REALLY STUPID to not know the difference between socialism, communism, and ACTUAL FASCISM.

These people are evil fucking morons. Stupidity beyond belief:

canetoad

(17,257 posts)
3. I'm a mild iconoclast
Tue May 30, 2023, 04:39 AM
May 2023

I don't want to destroy society but I like to challenge many accepted mores and habits that are rarely challenged.

These sad fucks who called PBO a nazi have not idea of which they speak. No fucking clue whatsoever. To them 'nazi' is an insult hurled at anyone they disagee with because it's the worst thing possible.

Much like the right's way of denigrating lefties by calling them pedophiles. They manufacture a crime that is beyond the pale; one that cannot be defended in any way and aim it at left wingers. In the middle ages it was heretics and a painful death by burning. That, in effect, is what right wingers would like to do to lefties in these times. Except they would never get away with a public burning, so they need to invent their own right wing hell.

There's nothing they are doing that hasn't been done before by rigid, RW authoritarians, scared that a convivial. informal relationship between their winged minions and the far more accepting lefties, may evenutally produce a degree of agreement and acceptance.

Strangely, I'm not totally opposted to wearing nazi regalia for a denigratory reason, such as a bad taste party or similar. I believe it's symbology should be studied, remembered, analysed for it's graphic properties (red, black, bold lines and shapes) and those lessons applied to stopping those who wish to appeal to the same cruel, exclusionary practices.

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PCIntern

(25,787 posts)
6. I lived in an apartment building in West Philadelphia
Tue May 30, 2023, 08:00 AM
May 2023

Built in the 1920s and the floor in the lobby had swastikas in the corner tiles. The manager had been there for a good long while and I asked her if there was any blowback during World War II and after about the lobby. She said that they covered the floor with a giant carpet during that time but when it got pretty ratty in the 60’s, they pulled it up and just left the tile as it was.

I thought it was a little tacky myself back in the 70s, now I would be really angry.

hunter

(38,405 posts)
8. It was, once upon a time, a good luck symbol.
Tue May 30, 2023, 08:37 AM
May 2023

I have an antique gas heater with a swastika on the gas valve, probably dating back before the first World War.

Presumably it offered a little extra luck that the gas valve wouldn't leak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_swastika_in_the_early_20th_century

Niagara

(7,887 posts)
7. The simple answer is.
Tue May 30, 2023, 08:07 AM
May 2023

These people lack any reason or logic capabilities. They are told what to think by the RW sources that they absorb, whether it's Fox, OAN, AM Radio or whatever the source comes from.




It's called indoctrination. Yes, sometimes the RW sources changes the narrative and so the indoctrinated doesn't notice since they lack these very reason and logic capabilities.






*RW stand for Right Wing*

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