They’re going to take out Hamas. Hamas hides behind civilians. That’s it.

"took out" Al Queda and the Taliban after 20 years if war? Mo, Israel will not "take out" Hamas. THAT is the flaw in the thinking. Israel may be able to kill all Hamas members in Gaza today but be assured, there will be many more lined up tomorrow to take their place and a whole host of newly created terrorists.

There isn't any method to this retribution madness. The IDF are a bunch of nitwits.

They put rocket launchers in positions so their own people will die. If someone was shooting missiles at your home, what would you want your government to do in response?

If Hamas stopped shooting rockets and released the hostages all this would end.

we gonna sit idly by?

Maple Syrup at Vermont and New Hampshire? They would throw them back saying no thank you ours is better.

Hockey pucks at Minnesota? The Minnesotans would go thank you we can use these in our youth programs.

Do they no longer suppoet Hamas ?

of the worldwide implications it becomes open for general discussion I believe

Because the West will let them

Hamas is the terrorist organization AND the terrorist government in question

they wanted war and brought this on their own people

Your comment:

"Last weekend’s massacre of Israeli civilians by Hamas is a war crime that merits clear international condemnation."

Justifying Palestinian deaths is OK. (Also antisemitic) Excuses: they are to blame for Hamas, they support Hamas, Hamas is their government, kids die in wars anyway (yes, saw that, though it undermines the horrors quite a bit, without realizing it probably) -

We can hardly complain, as our country was attacked by terrorist too, and we decided Afghanistan was to blame, they allowed Al Qaeda to train there, so it was OK to kill them.

Arab terrorists had this saying they love death more than life, that is truly a problem. People with that attitude can't be shamed out of terrorism. Killing them all is the apparent solution. We got bin Laden, and is Al Qaeda gone? Maybe our methods should be used.

their goal wasn't just to kill a bunch of people then get caught. Their goal was to terrorize and provoke a reaction. Preferably an overreaction, such as leveling Gaza and killing a bunch of citizens that send shock waves around the globe. They don't care if they get killed themselves, they have a whole bunch more members that will step in take their place not to mention the new ones created BECAUSE of overreaction. I would think people would remember all of this after the colossal failure on multiple levels that was the US failed response to 9/11.

(Although- hospitals no longer hospitals - they have all been bombed.) NO hospitals left.


CNN -Most of the patients arriving at hospitals in Gaza have sustained second-and third-degree burns and amputations of both their lower and upper extremities, a spokesperson for the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza told the news outlet Shibab Agency.

Many have also sustained shrapnel injuries, the spokesperson, Ashraf al-Qidra, told the Palestinian outlet.

The injured arriving at hospitals are mainly women and children, al-Qidra said, adding this is a "result of Israelis directly targeting residential houses and buildings."
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-attack-10-09-23/h_6e59c097f6137e7ec3f8884b6cb1d5b0

cartels fired thousands of rockets into Arizona and New Mexico, crossed the border by the hundreds, broke into homes killing 1200 women, children and elderly, desecrating many of the bodies, invading a music festival and killing 260 young people. And taking 150 U.S. citizens back with them to Mexico as human shields and pawns. And who knows what else.

Do you think you really would say “two wrongs don’t make a right” and just wag your finger at them. Oh, and your elderly parents live in Arizona.

already played this game. We played it with Al Queda after 9/11. Did you forget? Never forget was the slogan, remember that slogan? Clearly many forgot. So tell me, did the invasion of 2 different country's, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in said countries, thousands of dead soldiers, a 20 year war, trillions of dollars spent, the stripping of rights in the name of security (does the Patriot Act ring a bell or was that forgot also?) rendition, black sites, torture, prosecuted soldiers for THER terroristic behavior and the list goes on an on. So tell me, did we wipe out Al Queda in our 20 year war against terrorism? Did we even put a dent in terrorist organizations? Or did you forget that as well?

and wagged our finger at them?

The fact that we actually punished the wrong people shows how powerful the need to punish is. And horrific as the whole thing was, do you think we’d be in a better place today if we had not demonstrated our anger and our power to punish?

20 years of war, incessant lies to the public to continue said war, the plundering of the national treasury, an enormous number of innocents dead, soldiers dead, torture, war crimes, losing credibility across the globe and the terrorist still out there doing their terrorist thing, Al Queda and the Taliban doing their Taliban and Al Queda thing and you ask, do I think we would be in a better place now if hadn't gone off like lunatics ourselves? You can't be serious.

in the years since. And I feel secure flying and entering a tall building in N.Y., and I am able to finance my comfortable retirement and house, feed and clothe myself, and my children and grandchildren are employed and comfortably housed and clothed and fed.

So yes, we did what we had to do, although probably did it to the wrong people, and have prospered since.

for you. Glad you're not concerned with the needless slaughter of innocent people because of lies and an over reaction. As long as your able to have your comfortable life and feel like the TSA keeps you safe. Got to have priorities right.

the question of what *you* would expect your government to do if you experienced an invasion similar to the one Israel just did.

Sorry I am confused by your OP, not sure which words are yours, your friend’s words, or the Intercept’s words, so I may have gotten some of it wrong.

I’ve seen no evidence that they’re purposely killing civilians unless Hamas is using them as a shield in which case some may die. This is a war, it’s not pretty.

they will dismantle Hamas? Israel could drop a nuke on Gaza and kill everyone there and it wouldn't dismantle Hamas. It would kill a bunch of people but Hamas would still exist.

But they will no longer operate in Gaza with impunity

Do tell, how have they been operating there for the past 15 plus years with impunity? Did Israel not know they had a terrorist group on their border?

Hamas in Gaza is going to be neutralized. They will not be completely eliminated. But they will jo longer be the governing authority in Gaza.

Sorry if that makes you mad

I asked a question.

Perhaps you missed this: "Israeli President says there are no innocent civilians in Gaza."

The story did it's job however.

Does it really make a difference of how many babies and the manner in which they were murdered?

How many babies make it important.
How does it matter if they were shot in the head, throats slit or strangled?

I honestly would like to know what matters to you.

If they would like about that what else are they going to lie about?

That's why, over and out, case closed.

or the videos?
Hamas always tells the truth.

There was total chaos when the Hamas terrorists attacked peaceful civilians and their families - KILLING them.
The soldiers were in shock witnessing the atrocities visited upon Israelis.

So, I asked you, please answer.
Just how many dead Jewish babies make it an issue for you.

clearly not now after it's revealed the story can't or won't be confirmed. Funny thing, that very question was asked about babies in Gaza killed by Israeli bombs and the asker was lambasted because the dead baby in Gaza was the fault of the people of Gaza but the beheaded baby in Israel was horrific. Yet today now it doesn't matter. Imagine that.

If the Palestinians are unwilling or unable to remove, somebody has to.

That’s why.

They’re at war with the government of Gaza and that government has failed to uphold its obligation to get its own citizens out of the conflict zone. Choosing instead to make them human shields (an actual war crime).

The Japanese government killed 2,403 at Pearl harbor.

That got them from 2,600,000 to 3,100,000 killed in return.

Should Israel do nothing in response to the terror attacks on its civilian population and just allow them to continue?

If not, what should they do to prevent or deter such attacks from continuing?

We killed innocent Japanese and Germans in WWII.

We ended those trying to exterminate Jews 80 years ago and Israel will do the same. If you describe that as "two wrongs", then you are morally bankrupt. Ugly things must be done to stop evil. It sucks, but the blame lies with Hamas.

their pea brain to handle. Terrorist government? Pffffffffffffffft

pretty much comes down to that.