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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump indicted on 91 charges. Great. But why not Bribes for Pardons scheme?
Back in May of this year, there was the explosive allegation of a Presidential Pardon bribery scheme, involving Guiliani and Trump. The details of the scheme shocked even people who were sure they they were immune to being shocked by anything that came from the MAGA White House.
In case anyone has forgotten:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143074669
Where are we now, on this? Is there a fear that adding yet another separate charge, another trial, will make it too cumbersome to conduct the ongoing trials effectively? But if so, why not at least indict Guiliani?
bucolic_frolic
(43,511 posts)Did he do it for bribes, or did he do it to give aid and comfort to insurrectionists?
Perhaps to be figured out at trial when his motives are more clearly revealed? We don't know which one at this point.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Is that too few people were involved in it. Of those that were, they're all criminals, and criminals don't make it a habit to talk openly about their criming. So the people offering the pardons won't talk--Ghouliani at least has a clue that it's not 100% aboveboard and the kind of people seeking such a pardon aren't the type to talk about it, either.
When criminals don't talk, it's harder to get information about their crimes.
onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,581 posts)What's another couple of hundred petitions from Trump's lawyers to delay trials? He only has ten years maximum until he is deemed incompetent to stand trial.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)So that the DOJ can have enough evidence to indict. This scheme would not have involved very many people, and none of them would be inclined to talk.
TFG wouldn't have wanted word getting out, so that he could keep more of the pardon bribe.
Ghouliani wouldn't talk about it--same reason + a hazy memory of how it might be a tad illegal.
The people seeking the pardons wouldn't talk about it because, well, they're criminals, and wouldn't want to risk jail or more of it by discussing it.
So getting prosecutable data on this one could be quite difficult.
onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)Ocelot II
(116,004 posts)for a pardon. And anyhow, this appears to have been just an idea - second-hand information that Giuliani was offering to sell pardons - and unless there's evidence that there really was an exchange of cash or some other thing of value in exchange for a pardon that was granted, there wasn't a prosecutable crime. The fact that a president can pardon anybody he wants for any reason makes it even more difficult. AFAIK no evidence has surfaced that anybody actually bought a pardon.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Is that any parties to it would not be the kind of people to talk about it, for a variety of reasons.
Most people don't seem to get that it would have been a vanishingly small number of people who knew the details.
Beastly Boy
(9,581 posts)Pile up on the delays, why not?
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)On how many crimes we could adjudicate at any given time. If he did take bribes for pardons, then of course he needs to face the music for it. Our system would adapt, like it has for mobsters and drug dealers and other lifelong criminals.
Beastly Boy
(9,581 posts)of the charges leveled against him. The more charges, the more delays, the longer it takes to try him. on any single charge.
I thought it was self-explanatory.