In the summer, having a longer sunlight in the morning is more productive.

So what is so great to have daylight at 9:00 in the evening?

cited studies claiming the prolonged daylight after work protracts consumer activity.

I loooooooooove it when the night never ends with 8::30+ sundown's. There's nothing greater if you're a night owl like I am. I never go outside before 9:00 AM, so an early sunrise makes no difference to me.

... it's adjustment to the change that is problematic. Circadian rhythms adjust on either side, but having more daylight at the end of the day is infinitely preferable no matter the time of year. City people cannot see the value of it the way us rural folk do. Make Daylight Saving permanent, and be done with this nonsense. The time change is asinine, and serves NO worthwhile purpose whatsoever.

But I'm not a morning person.

Even so, can't imagine why people would want longer mornings and shorter evenings, even if they're the earliest of birds.

I disagree that rural folks value DST.

Rural folks work when the sun is available. The time the clock says has little meaning. The clock does not drive rural lives the way it drives city lives. (Farm kid here.)

Existing data support the elimination of seasonal time changes in favor of a fixed, year-round time. DST can cause misalignment between the biological clock and environmental clock, resulting in significant health and public safety-related consequences, especially in the days immediately following the annual change to DST. A change to permanent standard time is best aligned with human circadian biology and has the potential to produce beneficial effects for public health and safety.

https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780

and it's 7:36 PST by my accurate clocks.

EDIT: looking at the post, it's dated 8:36 PM.

And I really did post it at 7:36.

I presume that DU is run out of the Eastern Time Zone but the changeover is usually 2:00 AM, no?

Someone must have punched it in early and gone home!

My wife was already resetting clocks Sat. night.

am an hour ahead during the winter, and when spring comes, I don't actually lose an hour. I am retired, but before I retired I used that extra hour to grade more papers.

Which killed the Senate bill.

U.S. Congress split on making daylight-saving time permanent

WASHINGTON, Nov 3 (Reuters) - A push in the U.S. Congress to make daylight-saving time permanent, which was unanimously passed by the Senate earlier this year, has stalled in the House, with a key lawmaker telling Reuters they have been unable to reach consensus.

In March, the Senate voted to put a stop next year to the twice-annual changing of clocks, which supporters say will lead to brighter afternoons and more economic activity.

U.S. Representative Frank Pallone, who chairs the Energy and Commerce Committee that has jurisdiction over the issue, said in a statement to Reuters the House is still trying to figure out how to move forward.

"We haven’t been able to find consensus in the House on this yet. There are a broad variety of opinions about whether to keep the status quo, to move to a permanent time, and if so, what time that should be," Pallone, a Democrat, said, adding that opinions break down by region, not by party.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-split-making-daylight-saving-time-permanent-2022-11-03/

... to fuck up every thing they touch. Everyone will benefit from the elimination of the time change, but if a Democrat is for it, than knee-jerk reactionaries will shoot it down just to get over on them libs.
There have to be IQ tests before these inbred, web-footed yahoos can run for office. I'm lookin' at YOU, Empty Greene, and all of those right-wing clowns behind you.
I hate to wish anyone ill, but I will read your obituary with considerable delight.

sunset at 4:30 PM bites in the winter.

I don’t give a shit that it gets dark early, but getting up before sunrise blows chunks. .

And my dogs wake us up when the sun comes up.

Neither time is without drawbacks. Let’s just make clocks illegal. Then problem solved! 😜

… the more acute the problem. I can sleep when it’s light, but I detest having to get up in the dark. A buddy of mine lives in Fairbanks, AK. It doesn’t bother him. It would drive me insane.

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of sunlight", for example. Humans cannot create "an extra hour of sunlight". All they can do is out a different label on it.

I've lived, moved and travelled to many time zones to care about such trivial matters. It gives me an extra hour of sun in the evening in the summer, and an extra hour of light in the morning in the winter, so it's fine by me.

You will know why.

Kids walking to school in the dark? Unsafe.
The only way to actually get more daytime sun is to move south. messing with clocks doesn't change the daylight hours.

I had looked it up, but it slipped my mind - and I have to be somewhere tomorrow. At least gets dark later.

the person has other issues

Working 14 hours days, and having to have 10 hours off between shifts (per DOT regulations) and then losing an hour? I'm now late to my next pickup. So yeah. I have other issues.

That's how I understand what you're saying.

If you can't get an accommodation from your next pickup once a year, I think something more is at issue than the time change.

while your state isn't silly enough to pretend moving the clock makes more sunshine.

If folks have their very lives destroyed for a week or two by a one-hour change in time, I guess they never vacation from one coast to the other. Cuz THREE HOURS has gotta destroy you for maybe a month or even a year.

Thank you for the reminder. Like you, I hate the time changes. They play hell on my body and sleep cycles. In fact, I haven't gotten straightened out from the last time change! Lol

Now I have to wonder if Dallas is only 6 hours behind us or 8? Ah, well, somebody oughtta know.

(IIRC. If not I'll still blame it on them.)

We don't go on Summer Time until March 30-31. So if I need to call the office, I have to do it an hour earlier until the end of the month. It gives me a good incentive to try not to have to talk to them until April.

Gross.

Yeah, okay, the corporations want to change time to fit their scheduling needs and we just go along with it like we do with all the other life-quality disruptions they impose on us to slightly improve their profit margins.

But on the other hand, we could start and end our wage-slaving in dawn or dusk light conditions too, so what does it really matter.

Farmers dissapproved of it the first time around in 1918:

"The plan was not adopted in the United States until the Standard Time Act of March 19, 1918, which confirmed the existing standard time zone system and set summer DST to begin on March 31, 1918 (reverting October 27).[6] The idea was unpopular, especially with farmers because DST meant they had less time in the morning to get their milk and harvested crops to market.[7] Congress abolished DST after the war, overriding President Woodrow Wilson's veto."

"The United States Chamber of Commerce has praised the extension of daylight saving under the 2005 law, which increased the amount of shopping and commerce after work in the evenings. In the golf industry, the group has noted an exceptional increase in revenue of "$200 million in additional sales of golf clubs and greens fees".[25] The extension of daylight saving has also had a notable impact on Halloween and candy sales.[26] Wyoming senator Michael Enzi and Michigan representative Fred Upton advocated the extension from October into November especially to allow children to go trick-or-treating in more daylight.[27] In some areas, the extension of daylight saving time in March and November has pushed back sunrise to as late as 8:30 a.m."

I hate DST!

Leave us on standard time!

How could anyone not like 8:30 sundowns in the Summer?