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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust for discussion purposes. I can only guess judge Cannon was judge shopped.(noproof just a feeling)
I'm wondering if it was, WHO was INVOLVED in this. I'm thinking quit of few BIG WIGS were.
Stargleamer
(1,992 posts)and justice lost and we got her. We cant get a break sometimes. Just like in 2016
Mark.b2
(261 posts)If a bad judge gets picked, at least the jury pool provides the backstop.
No doubt, Trump will end up a convicted felon in the DC trial. Just wish they'd hurry up.
lame54
(35,341 posts)drray23
(7,638 posts)Jack Smith had to file in the juridiction where Canon is one of the judges because of where the crime occured. She is on the active list of judges there and unfortunately got randomly selected. People have been questioning whether it was really random or not but as far as I know there is nothing that shows that it was rigged to assign her. We just got unlucky.
republianmushroom
(13,785 posts)drray23
(7,638 posts)Hence the location. Smith maybe could also have filed in DC but he chose Florida.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)I'm surprised at how many people don't understand that there are legal processes for judge selection and jurisdictions for filing. All the document requests that went to Mar-A-Lago had gone through that federal circuit, so there was no grand conspiracy leading up to the worst possible judge getting the slam dunkiest case.
But damn, what a plot twist!
onenote
(42,812 posts)Take a look at the indictment. Every single count describes, expressly, actions taken in Florida. Filing in DC would have resulted in a venue change motion that would have been granted. Smith doesn't make rookie errors.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.85.0_3.pdf
republianmushroom
(13,785 posts)But he took the doc's from Washington and kept them, he did not get them in Florida. After he became an EX-president. There have been photos showing the boxes being loaded on the plane and taking them to Florida. They were stolen in Washington by an ex-president.
Heres Why Trump Is Being Indicted In FloridaAnd Why It Matters
Former President Donald Trump is expected to surrender to authorities Tuesday in Miami after being indicted on federal charges stemming from him retaining White House documents at Mar-A-Lago, as the DOJ decided to bring charges against Trump in Florida rather than Washington, D.C.a decision that could speed up the legal proceedings, but also be a friendlier venue for the ex-president.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/09/heres-why-trump-is-being-indicted-in-florida-and-why-it-matters/?sh=3c56faea1fdb
onenote
(42,812 posts)Moreover, the article -- written by a London based reporter who isn't a lawyer and started out as a theater critic -- predated the superseding indictment, which added charges against Nauta and Oliveira, as well as Trump, for obstruction of justice, concealing documents in a federal investigation, etc -- all of which took place entirely in Florida. When the initial indictment was filed in June, Smith undoubtedly knew that he was likely to file the superseding indictment. So even if there was an argument -- the one that itself would be "hard" to make -- for bringing the case in DC, he would have found himself having to bring a second case in Florida to go after these other counts and splitting them up would be a strategically bad move.
There are any number of articles out there, written by actual criminal law practitioners, that explain why Smith was constrained by law and circumstances to bring the case in Florida.
Bev54
(10,087 posts)I can't remember which one but I think it was in last fall.
Bev54
(10,087 posts)dismissed for lack of jurisdiction.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)WE can disagree i guess.
drray23
(7,638 posts)Obviously, Jack Smith did no such thing. The Trump camp did not file the suit , Jack Smith and his team filed the charges in that juridiction. I do remember back then when this happened that pundits on TV were discussing that strategy (file in DC or Florida). They said the risk with Florida could be that Canon would get the case. The reason there was an hesitation to file in DC was that most of the charges having to do with refusing to return the documents would suggest to file in the federal juridiction in Florida because thats where the crime occured. That is what Smith ultimately decided to do and unfortunately ended up with Canon.
republianmushroom
(13,785 posts)onenote
(42,812 posts)Judge shopping is when a plaintiff picks a court to file to get a particular judge.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Coin toss? If so i still feel it stinks.