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Just for discussion purposes. I can only guess judge Cannon was judge shopped.(noproof just a feeling) (Original Post) bluestarone Mar 17 OP
I read there was a coin toss and we lost Stargleamer Mar 17 #1
At least the good guys have the DC circuit.... Mark.b2 Mar 17 #8
Did we inspect the coin? lame54 Mar 17 #16
No she was not "judge shopped". drray23 Mar 17 #2
BS, the crime occurred in Washington D.C. that is where he gained access to the doc's. republianmushroom Mar 17 #4
I believe its because where Trump kept the documents and refuse to return them was in Florida drray23 Mar 17 #5
Thank you for your facts injection in this discussion Bucky Mar 17 #9
So you think Jack Smith mistakenly filed the case in Florida? Uh, nope. onenote Mar 17 #10
No there was an explanation why it was filed in Florida. republianmushroom Mar 17 #13
The article acknowledges that establishing venue in DC would be a "harder case to make" onenote Mar 17 #14
There was just a high profile case that was dismissed because of lack of jurisdiction of the court Bev54 Mar 17 #17
Smith made the right decsion, he could not take the chance that the entire case be Bev54 Mar 17 #15
Like i stated, i have no proof.BUT bluestarone Mar 17 #6
Judge shopping means your file you case in a juridiction with only one judge that will rule in your favor drray23 Mar 17 #7
I do believe you are correct. republianmushroom Mar 17 #3
How was it judge-shopped when it was Smith that filed the case and chose the court within which to file it. onenote Mar 17 #11
Was there possible 3 judges available there? bluestarone Mar 17 #12

Stargleamer

(1,992 posts)
1. I read there was a coin toss and we lost
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 01:36 PM
Mar 17

and justice lost and we got her. We can’t get a break sometimes. Just like in 2016

Mark.b2

(261 posts)
8. At least the good guys have the DC circuit....
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 02:19 PM
Mar 17

If a bad judge gets picked, at least the jury pool provides the backstop.

No doubt, Trump will end up a convicted felon in the DC trial. Just wish they'd hurry up.

drray23

(7,638 posts)
2. No she was not "judge shopped".
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 01:44 PM
Mar 17

Jack Smith had to file in the juridiction where Canon is one of the judges because of where the crime occured. She is on the active list of judges there and unfortunately got randomly selected. People have been questioning whether it was really random or not but as far as I know there is nothing that shows that it was rigged to assign her. We just got unlucky.

drray23

(7,638 posts)
5. I believe its because where Trump kept the documents and refuse to return them was in Florida
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 01:50 PM
Mar 17

Hence the location. Smith maybe could also have filed in DC but he chose Florida.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
9. Thank you for your facts injection in this discussion
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 02:24 PM
Mar 17

I'm surprised at how many people don't understand that there are legal processes for judge selection and jurisdictions for filing. All the document requests that went to Mar-A-Lago had gone through that federal circuit, so there was no grand conspiracy leading up to the worst possible judge getting the slam dunkiest case.

But damn, what a plot twist!

onenote

(42,812 posts)
10. So you think Jack Smith mistakenly filed the case in Florida? Uh, nope.
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 02:30 PM
Mar 17

Take a look at the indictment. Every single count describes, expressly, actions taken in Florida. Filing in DC would have resulted in a venue change motion that would have been granted. Smith doesn't make rookie errors.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.85.0_3.pdf

republianmushroom

(13,785 posts)
13. No there was an explanation why it was filed in Florida.
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 02:59 PM
Mar 17

But he took the doc's from Washington and kept them, he did not get them in Florida. After he became an EX-president. There have been photos showing the boxes being loaded on the plane and taking them to Florida. They were stolen in Washington by an ex-president.

Here’s Why Trump Is Being Indicted In Florida—And Why It Matters
Former President Donald Trump is expected to surrender to authorities Tuesday in Miami after being indicted on federal charges stemming from him retaining White House documents at Mar-A-Lago, as the DOJ decided to bring charges against Trump in Florida rather than Washington, D.C.—a decision that could speed up the legal proceedings, but also be a friendlier venue for the ex-president.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/09/heres-why-trump-is-being-indicted-in-florida-and-why-it-matters/?sh=3c56faea1fdb

onenote

(42,812 posts)
14. The article acknowledges that establishing venue in DC would be a "harder case to make"
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 03:41 PM
Mar 17

Moreover, the article -- written by a London based reporter who isn't a lawyer and started out as a theater critic -- predated the superseding indictment, which added charges against Nauta and Oliveira, as well as Trump, for obstruction of justice, concealing documents in a federal investigation, etc -- all of which took place entirely in Florida. When the initial indictment was filed in June, Smith undoubtedly knew that he was likely to file the superseding indictment. So even if there was an argument -- the one that itself would be "hard" to make -- for bringing the case in DC, he would have found himself having to bring a second case in Florida to go after these other counts and splitting them up would be a strategically bad move.

There are any number of articles out there, written by actual criminal law practitioners, that explain why Smith was constrained by law and circumstances to bring the case in Florida.

Bev54

(10,087 posts)
17. There was just a high profile case that was dismissed because of lack of jurisdiction of the court
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 04:05 PM
Mar 17

I can't remember which one but I think it was in last fall.

Bev54

(10,087 posts)
15. Smith made the right decsion, he could not take the chance that the entire case be
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 03:59 PM
Mar 17

dismissed for lack of jurisdiction.

drray23

(7,638 posts)
7. Judge shopping means your file you case in a juridiction with only one judge that will rule in your favor
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 01:59 PM
Mar 17

Obviously, Jack Smith did no such thing. The Trump camp did not file the suit , Jack Smith and his team filed the charges in that juridiction. I do remember back then when this happened that pundits on TV were discussing that strategy (file in DC or Florida). They said the risk with Florida could be that Canon would get the case. The reason there was an hesitation to file in DC was that most of the charges having to do with refusing to return the documents would suggest to file in the federal juridiction in Florida because thats where the crime occured. That is what Smith ultimately decided to do and unfortunately ended up with Canon.

onenote

(42,812 posts)
11. How was it judge-shopped when it was Smith that filed the case and chose the court within which to file it.
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 02:32 PM
Mar 17

Judge shopping is when a plaintiff picks a court to file to get a particular judge.

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