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Baitball Blogger

(46,881 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 08:44 AM Mar 19

How many people here believe Eileen Cannon is getting her marching orders outside of her

chambers? I know I don't believe that this judge is acting on her own. This latest stunt of trying to get the lawyers to make an argument based on the Records Acts sounds like a prequel to a Supreme Court submission. Frankly, it sounds like a legal strategy hatched out of a Federalist Society Deep undercover operation.

If we're going to investigate Cannon, the way they did Willis, what we should be looking for is proof that she's communicating with political bad actors.

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How many people here believe Eileen Cannon is getting her marching orders outside of her (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Mar 19 OP
Well it certainly doesn't seem like she's getting good advice on the law from any source... unblock Mar 19 #1
Yes. She is clever enough to come up with her scheme, but not smart enough to make it work Bernardo de La Paz Mar 19 #3
Me. nt Hotler Mar 19 #2
I agree with you. Here's why: I read her instructions to the lawyers and found them so nonsensical that Raven Mar 19 #4
she is being told an objective azureblue Mar 19 #25
I keep hearing that she's gone to far but see nothing to indicate she'll face any punishment. dem4decades Mar 19 #5
Of course she is. Scrivener7 Mar 19 #6
Would not be surprised if she has regular.... Kingofalldems Mar 19 #7
She's... 2naSalit Mar 19 #8
Coached, yes. But by whom? Federalist Society lawyers, RNC lawyers, TFG's own lawyers, some RW organization? machoneman Mar 19 #15
I used to think.... SergeStorms Mar 19 #53
Raising my hand... haele Mar 19 #9
She answers to Trump. Showing her stupidity. Emile Mar 19 #10
I think she's rapidly approaching the point of Smith asking... Septua Mar 19 #11
this johnnyfins Mar 19 #18
Rapiter please Iwasthere Mar 19 #58
It's eyewatering that... Happy Hoosier Mar 19 #12
I don't. cloudbase Mar 19 #13
Maybe, but Diraven Mar 19 #54
In my family we call her Judge Collusion Zilli Mar 19 #14
I strongly suspect that she is. n/t Mister Ed Mar 19 #16
Clarence Thomas is my bet. Mr.WeRP Mar 19 #17
For a "rookie", she's making some interesting calls, so to speak. She's definitely getting some outside "help". ashredux Mar 19 #19
Count me in. onecaliberal Mar 19 #20
I do. But she can't be investigated, only reprimanded & removed by the 11th District in response to Jack Smith's appeal ancianita Mar 19 #21
Only Six Federal Judges Have Been Assassinated MayReasonRule Mar 19 #43
Assassinated?? Wow. That's deep. I'm only talking about removed. ancianita Mar 19 #47
Lol, When I Consider Odds, I Consider All Of The Possible Knowns... MayReasonRule Mar 19 #49
Appreciate your thoughts. ancianita Mar 19 #50
Thank You ! MayReasonRule Mar 19 #52
I have had no doubt since Loose Banana Cannon is being coached Aviation Pro Mar 19 #22
I hope you're right! Please spring away FBI! liberalla Mar 19 #24
It blows my mind to think someone as accomplished as Judge Cannon Fla Dem Mar 19 #23
Nothing should surprise you in Florida. Baitball Blogger Mar 19 #31
Yep ScratchCat Mar 19 #32
Delusion multiplied by Malevolence equals Delusional Malevolence MayReasonRule Mar 19 #40
She's getting outside advice. kentuck Mar 19 #26
She is a product of the Judicial Crisis Network .... as is Roberts, Goursch, Alito, Kavanaugh, and Coney Island Botany Mar 19 #27
Cannon can be impeached. This whole sordid affair should be investigated once dobleremolque Mar 19 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author dobleremolque Mar 19 #29
Working for The Wizard Mar 19 #30
Yes, she is. lees1975 Mar 19 #33
other than mr smith and she being a t,,, apointee, si. wonder what t,,, threatened her with and what dirt.? AllaN01Bear Mar 19 #34
One needn't be threatened to be corrupt. Loyalty and the promise of advancement also corrupt. ancianita Mar 19 #48
Amazing Mr.Bee Mar 19 #35
I think she has slowed the process down Tree Lady Mar 19 #36
She's entirely capable of acting on her own NanaCat Mar 19 #37
The Jury Instructions Are A Sad Chortle MayReasonRule Mar 19 #42
She is probably talking with the orange menace daily kimbutgar Mar 19 #38
I Like Andrew Weissman's Take... MayReasonRule Mar 19 #39
Add me to thte list malaise Mar 19 #41
I go into the YES column. IF somehow it's provable bluestarone Mar 19 #44
No doubt Fox News is meddling in this trial. Initech Mar 19 #45
Yep. Obvious. PufPuf23 Mar 19 #46
Me Aviation Pro Mar 19 #51
There's no doubt in my mind. Think. Again. Mar 19 #55
Obstruction of Justice Mike Niendorff Mar 19 #56
She must be Alberto VO-5 level clairvoyant. Kid Berwyn Mar 19 #57
The puppet masters strings are long. republianmushroom Mar 19 #59

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,219 posts)
3. Yes. She is clever enough to come up with her scheme, but not smart enough to make it work
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 08:48 AM
Mar 19

She may find herself removed by the Circuit Appeals court, which would earn her a third reprimand and that might lead to heavier three-strikes action against her.

Raven

(13,931 posts)
4. I agree with you. Here's why: I read her instructions to the lawyers and found them so nonsensical that
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 08:55 AM
Mar 19

I checked her resume. She is not a stupid woman. The only explanation for her actions is that she is being coached.

azureblue

(2,165 posts)
25. she is being told an objective
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 10:42 AM
Mar 19

and it's up to her to make it into a legally sound ruling. Which, she isn't doing - her ruling are really half baked. . Which says she is not getting coached by people with solid legal experience.. Which says that she is being left alone out on a limb.
This ruling is the final straw that will get the case taken away from her. It proves she is not competent to handle the case- it is above her head..

dem4decades

(11,368 posts)
5. I keep hearing that she's gone to far but see nothing to indicate she'll face any punishment.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 08:55 AM
Mar 19

Is this just more wishful thinking, like the Mueller Report, and all the other things that were going to get Trump, but melted away like ice in the hot sun?

2naSalit

(87,440 posts)
8. She's...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:10 AM
Mar 19

Totally being coached since her nomination to her appointment. She was literally placed in her seat for the purpose of bastardizing and weaponizing the judicial system. Her earlier jobs were working with Rubio and Scott.

She's being coached but I think there's a possible rebellion afloat among judges who have had enough of the magats and could, possibly, help in cleaning up the judiciary. I sure hope so.




https://thehill.com/regulation/3631564-five-things-to-know-about-aileen-m-cannon-the-judge-who-granted-trump-a-special-master/


https://archive.ph/20220907213453/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/07/us/politics/aileen-cannon-judge-trump.html

machoneman

(4,030 posts)
15. Coached, yes. But by whom? Federalist Society lawyers, RNC lawyers, TFG's own lawyers, some RW organization?
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:42 AM
Mar 19

Maybe collusion among all these players to feed her ways to kill the indictment. I've said before, I do hope Smith or the DOJ is tapping her phone/emails after convincing the Appeals Court of her duplicity in constantly gifting motions in TFG's way.

SergeStorms

(19,214 posts)
53. I used to think....
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 04:50 PM
Mar 19

she was being told what to do by the Federalist Society. However, they're not that freaking careless and ignorant.

Are they?

haele

(12,735 posts)
9. Raising my hand...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:19 AM
Mar 19

Her rulings and instructions are very inconsistent for someone who supposedly is taking the time to research and think about what is being laid out in front of them.
She doesn't seem like she either understands the mechanics of her job or cares about doing her job in a fair, impartial manner.
She seems to be there to play "judge" and read from a judge script written up from a legal AI companion program.
I may be wrong. But she doesn't seem to take her job seriously.

Haele

Septua

(2,293 posts)
11. I think she's rapidly approaching the point of Smith asking...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:24 AM
Mar 19

..that she be removed. Her latest ruling indicates she doesn't understand the law relative to the charges against Trump nor how the Presidential Records Act relates to the charges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/18/trump-judge-cannon-jury-instructions-pra/

Her two-page order, however, also suggests an openness to some of the defense’s claims that the Presidential Records Act allows Trump or other presidents to declare highly classified documents to be their own personal property. National security law experts say that is not what the law says, or how it has been interpreted over decades by the courts, particularly given the other laws that govern national security secrets.


Cannon asked the prosecutors and defense attorneys to consider two different hypothetical situations, writing: “the parties must engage with the following competing scenarios and offer alternative draft text that assumes each scenario to be a correct formulation of the law.”


In the first scenario, Cannon said, the jury would be allowed to review a former president’s possession of a record and make a factual finding whether “it is personal or presidential using the definitions set forth in the Presidential Records Act,” also known as the PRA.


Confusingly, she added in a footnote that any “separation of powers or immunity concerns shall be included in this discussion if relevant.” Immunity is a topic for judges to decide, not juries, so it was not immediately clear what that language in Cannon’s order meant.

I heard a theory a while back that she's behaving in a manner that will lead to being removed from the case which would get her off hot seat and at the same time, preserve her image with Trump.

Happy Hoosier

(7,548 posts)
12. It's eyewatering that...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:25 AM
Mar 19

... she is considering an order that allows the jury to act as a judge to determine if the law applies. That's HER job.

cloudbase

(5,542 posts)
13. I don't.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:34 AM
Mar 19

I do, however, believe that she's very grateful for a position granting lifetime tenure and is sufficiently self-aware that she's not really ready for the big leagues. She still believes that she has to dance with the one that brung ya.

Diraven

(582 posts)
54. Maybe, but
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 04:55 PM
Mar 19

If she helps Trump enough she's a shoo-in for a Trump Supreme Court nomination, should that come up.

Zilli

(199 posts)
14. In my family we call her Judge Collusion
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:42 AM
Mar 19

and it seems as if she verifies our suspicions with every minute order and ruling.

ashredux

(2,613 posts)
19. For a "rookie", she's making some interesting calls, so to speak. She's definitely getting some outside "help".
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 09:52 AM
Mar 19

ancianita

(36,352 posts)
21. I do. But she can't be investigated, only reprimanded & removed by the 11th District in response to Jack Smith's appeal
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 10:02 AM
Mar 19

She'd could only be investigated by the Republican House as part of an impeachment proceeding.

The current House won't ever do that with a Trump appointee. Perhaps if we gain a majority in 2025, but not before.

As of September 2017, only 15 federal judges have been impeached, and only eight have been convicted. Three others resigned before the completion of impeachment proceedings.

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
43. Only Six Federal Judges Have Been Assassinated
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 01:59 PM
Mar 19

Odds are she lives a long and prosperous lives on the backs of the rest of humanity.

I would prefer that to not be the case.

Here's to reason's rule in delusions stead.

ancianita

(36,352 posts)
47. Assassinated?? Wow. That's deep. I'm only talking about removed.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 03:48 PM
Mar 19

You're right, she likely won't be impeached and removed, but she's got a heckuva long learning curve ahead. I wouldn't trust her with any criminal cases in trumpworld.

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
49. Lol, When I Consider Odds, I Consider All Of The Possible Knowns...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 04:35 PM
Mar 19

It's minor historically...

Although I've gotta' say that our current time line has been quite surprising in many regards that historically were never the case.

No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition, which is part of the root our problem.

We're in the midst of an Americanized Spanish Inquisition Y'all Qaeda Nat-C style.

Aileen is a part and parcel of that very thing.

I've been astonished as women have been forced to gestate and give birth to the children of rapists that we've not seen members of the judiciary widely slaughtered.

The states within which those laws have been enacted have more guns per capita than your average state.

Americans have shown a surprising degree of decency and decorum to their fascist overlords.

I'm genuinely surprised by that.

ancianita

(36,352 posts)
50. Appreciate your thoughts.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 04:42 PM
Mar 19

It's a major weakness of American freedoms to allow all the anti-democratic activity that extends from streets to courts. Which is why public awareness has to be better informed by any means necessary, from independent journalists, and in spite of corporate media.

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
52. Thank You !
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 04:49 PM
Mar 19
Which is why public awareness has to be better informed by any means necessary, from independent journalists, and in spite of corporate media.


Hear, hear!!!

Aviation Pro

(12,361 posts)
22. I have had no doubt since Loose Banana Cannon is being coached
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 10:04 AM
Mar 19

And the FBI has the tapes and is ready to spring.

Welcome to the other side of the law, you worthless oxygen thief.

liberalla

(9,327 posts)
24. I hope you're right! Please spring away FBI!
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 10:38 AM
Mar 19

She so richly deserves it! It would restore some of my confidence in the FBI. Also would send a signal and a warning to other players out there.

Fla Dem

(24,096 posts)
23. It blows my mind to think someone as accomplished as Judge Cannon
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 10:28 AM
Mar 19

would risk her reputation and future to be a Trump Puppet.

Whether he offered her a position in his government if he gets elected, offered a payout( although he currently has no money) or has threatened her or her family, I don't know. My only other thought is she is positioning herself to run in the future for Fla Senator and this way she earns the support of all the Florida Republican creeps.

It just seems to me so absurd that she would play this obvious trial delay game when the reality is Trump is a crook and his case should be a walk in the park.

Baitball Blogger

(46,881 posts)
31. Nothing should surprise you in Florida.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:05 AM
Mar 19

I noticed it a long time ago. Local lawyers, especially the local public lawyers, will go over the line with their legal advice because they know that most people do not have the money or time to challenge their decisions in court. And if someone does make it into court, they will figure out quickly that they need to make it at least to the appeal level.

If this can go on at the lower levels, you can bet that the same thing is happening higher up.

ScratchCat

(2,049 posts)
32. Yep
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:07 AM
Mar 19

But you can draw up a list a mile long of formerly-respected people who have seemingly thrown away their careers, reputations and lives for Donald Trump over the past six years.

I agree; it makes no sense. Think of all the people who would never have gone to jail had he never came along!?

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
40. Delusion multiplied by Malevolence equals Delusional Malevolence
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 01:30 PM
Mar 19

Delusional Malevolence is literally ruling the day.

This is that.

Botany

(70,804 posts)
27. She is a product of the Judicial Crisis Network .... as is Roberts, Goursch, Alito, Kavanaugh, and Coney Island
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:00 AM
Mar 19

The J.C.N. gets Major League Right Wing Money from the likes of the Heritage Foundation, Koch Brothers,
Harlan Crow, friends of Jenni Thomas and others. They stopped President Obama from getting his last pick for the SCOTUS, selected the last 5 Justices picked by w Bush and Trump, and have been packing other Federal Bench seats too.

dobleremolque

(502 posts)
28. Cannon can be impeached. This whole sordid affair should be investigated once
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:02 AM
Mar 19

Democrats are in sufficient control of the House and Senate. Hasten the day!

In our history, 15 federal judges have been impeached; 8 have been convicted and removed from the bench. The most recent was in 2010 ... a Clinton appointee, G. Thomas Porteous in Louisiana.

Cannon isn't utterly invulnerable as a federal judge. Sure, the 11th Circuit can slap her hand for bonehead decisions, but impeachment .... provided it can be proven that she IS being guided or coached by outside sources ... is the ultimate solution.

And any investigation should go so deep as to check for Federalist Society fingerprints on the coins in her change purse.

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Tree Lady

(11,597 posts)
36. I think she has slowed the process down
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:44 AM
Mar 19

enough that her goal of it not going to trial before election will happen. If they get another judge that will delay again.

kimbutgar

(21,379 posts)
38. She is probably talking with the orange menace daily
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 12:36 PM
Mar 19

Too bad some federal agency can’t trace her calls.

Judge Cannon: “yes sir, yes sir , you are the greatest president ever and I will keep delaying your case until you’re back in office” !

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
39. I Like Andrew Weissman's Take...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 01:22 PM
Mar 19


I appreciated Andrew Weissman's assessment of the order

(a.) Please draft a jury instruction assuming the earth is flat while reserving counterarguments.

(b) Please draft a jury instruction assuming the earth is square while reserving counterarguments.

The U.S. Department of Justice considers a writ of mandamus to be an extraordinary remedy that should only be used in exceptional circumstances.

Will the DOJ consider this to be such a circumstance?

Will the DOJ immediately seek a writ of mandamus?

Might they respond by basically saying go ahead and rule in favor of Trump and we'll just immediately appeal it?

PufPuf23

(8,919 posts)
46. Yep. Obvious.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 02:48 PM
Mar 19

Don't understand the lawyer types at DU and what they defend.

The process is not working, the will is lacking and "justice" is for sale to highest bidder.

Fear we ultimately will be disappointed in Jack Smith or that he well be neutralized.

The courts and legal system are rotten down to the community level, Trump or no Trump.

Mike Niendorff

(3,480 posts)
56. Obstruction of Justice
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 05:06 PM
Mar 19

She tried to illegally shut down the investigation, and now she's trying to illegally monkeywrench the prosecution.

Judges can't commit crimes any more than ex-presidents can, and obstruction of justice is absolutely a crime.

It's high time for the discussion to go there.


MDN

Kid Berwyn

(15,425 posts)
57. She must be Alberto VO-5 level clairvoyant.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 05:08 PM
Mar 19


She sees all. She hears all. And she knows all she wants to know.
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