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woodsprite

(11,949 posts)
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 02:59 PM Apr 6

Just came from the Holocaust Museum

So, so, so many parallels. I made the comment to my DiL that history repeats itself. She said it doesn’t necessarily repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes. I could hear quite a few groups around me saying what I was thinking. Especially the very first bit about how it started. Substitute a few names, and it could have been an article written about today.

I’m glad I went. I think everyone should have to view the exhibit, and more importantly, read the placards.

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marked50

(1,377 posts)
1. I have visited a few Holcaust Museums and found them all deeply emotional.
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 04:54 PM
Apr 6

Here is a list of some around the world posted by the United Nations. The list is probably not complete as I know of at least one other that I visited. It was in the Imperial War Museum in London. It was back in 2001 so it might not be there anymore.

https://www.un.org/en/holocaustrememberance/additionalresources/museums



Holocaust Museums and Memorials


Anne Frank House (Netherlands)

Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum (Poland)

Bergen Belsen Memorial Museum (Germany)

Budapest Holocaust Memorial Center (Hungary)

Dachau concentration camp Memorial (Germany)

Ghetto Fighters' Museum in Israel (Israel)

Holocaust Museum in Curitiba (Brazil)

House of the Wannsee Conference (Germany)

Illinois Holocaust Museum & Education Center (USA)

Kazerne Dossin (Belgium)

Le Memorial de la Shoah (France)

Montreal Holocaust Memorial Centre (Canada)

Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust (USA)

Památnik Terezín (Czech Republic) - (Terezin Memorial)

The Hong Kong Holocaust and Tolerance Centre (China)

The Johannesburg Holocaust & Genocide Centre (South Africa)

The National Holocaust Centre and Museum (United Kingdom)

The Norwegian Center for Holocaust and Minority Studies (Norway)

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USA)

Yad Vashem - The World Holocaust Remembrance Center (Israel)

ShazzieB

(16,703 posts)
5. I'm happy to see the Illinois Holocaust Museum & Education Center listed here.
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 05:58 PM
Apr 6

It's located in Skokie, IL, a suburb north of Chicago, which used to have the highest concentration of Holocaust survivors in the U.S. (or so I've read]. I don't know how many survivors there still are in Skokie, since many have obviously died by now, but when I went there a couple of years ago, I saw people (either museum staff or volunteers) wearing name tags that identified them as such. It gave me a lump in my throat.

It's a very, very nice museum. I love it, and would visit often or even volunteer if I lived close enough. Here's the website if anyone is interested: https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/

Old Crank

(3,692 posts)
2. There are a couple of other sites in Germany
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 05:35 PM
Apr 6

Berlin. Monument for the Holocaust along with the Topography of Terror.

Munich has the Jewish Museum and the national Jewish document center on the site of the former Brown house.

WarGamer

(12,530 posts)
4. I think OP is referring to the right in our country... and NAZIS.
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 05:46 PM
Apr 6

I don't see the comparison... at all.

And I've studied history for 50 years.

speak easy

(9,352 posts)
6. "Trump and allies planning militarized mass deportations, detention camps"
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 06:11 PM
Apr 6

Is this Nazi enough for you? "Officers in tactical gear going into communities" dragging people out of their homes to take them to mass detention camps?

Trump pledges that as president he would immediately launch “the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.” As a model, he points to an Eisenhower-era program known as “Operation Wetback,” using a derogatory slur for Mexican migrants. The operation used military tactics to round up and remove migrant workers, sometimes transporting them in dangerous conditions that led to some deaths. Former administration officials and policy experts said staging an even larger operation today would face a bottleneck in detention space — a problem that Trump adviser Stephen Miller and other allies have proposed addressing by building mass deportation camps.

But his deportation proposal is one part of his emerging platform that experts, current and former government officials and others described as especially alarming, impractical and prone to significant legal and logistical hurdles.

“You’re talking about officers in tactical gear going into communities, being videotaped in the streets, putting kids in car seats, carrying baby formula. Then what do you do with those families?” said Jason Houser, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s chief of staff from January 2022 until March 2023. “Are you going to go into neighborhoods in Philly, New York, Baltimore and start tugging people out of communities? That’s what they want. It puts law enforcement and the communities at risk.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/20/trump-mass-deportations-immigration/

WarGamer

(12,530 posts)
7. The ADL... no friends of Trump... denounced ALL "nazi linked modern political discourse"
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 06:52 PM
Apr 6
The Anti-Defamation League is calling on the Lincoln Project, a super PAC launched by a group of “never Trump” Republicans in 2019, to pull an ad that draws parallels between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Adolf Hitler’s regime in Nazi Germany.

The minute-long ad, titled “Translation” and released on Friday, features Trump’s promises to reissue a 2020 executive order targeting “rogue bureaucrats” and “corrupt actors” overlaid on historic footage of Nazi-aligned German forces, and Jews being beaten down by Nazi thugs during Hitler’s rule. The video — part of a series highlighting Trump’s potential anti-democratic agenda in a second term — contrasts Trump’s commitment to forming a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” with visuals of Nazi loyalists giving salutes.

In a statement shared by email, an ADL spokesperson said the comparison “denigrates the memory of the 6 million and trivializes the horrific events of the Holocaust.”

The ADL urged the Lincoln Project to pull the ad “and to refrain from using Nazi analogies in the future.”


https://forward.com/fast-forward/579381/trump-hitler-lincoln-project-ad-translation-adl/

I agree with the ADL... these comparisons trivialize the actual events and horrors of the Nazi regime and the Holocaust.

speak easy

(9,352 posts)
8. The ADL protecting the memory of horrific events of the Holocaust,
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 07:09 PM
Apr 6

is not the same as your statement "don't see the comparison... at all".

If dragging a million people out of their homes to mass detention camps, does not ring a bell, nothing will. They will be targeted by race - latinos without 'papers'. No these camps will not be extermination camps - neither were the first concentration camps - the final solution did not get truely get underway until fall 1941
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/final-solution-overview

No comparison at all? Really?

woodsprite

(11,949 posts)
10. One of the first videos you saw as you entered the exhibit
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 11:59 PM
Apr 6

Was nazi’s marching in uniform, some with torches, some carrying their flag, and singing. It reminded me of the march held in Charlottesville and the pic you posted.

keithbvadu2

(37,108 posts)
12. Eisenhower wanted the Holocaust and death camps thoroughly documented because he knew there would be these evil scum who
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 12:14 AM
Apr 7

Eisenhower wanted the Holocaust and death camps thoroughly documented because he knew there would be these evil scum who would try to deny it.

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